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On April 24 2013 15:04 jalen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:57 PLU_CN wrote:
South Korea is the backyard of USA, North Korea is the backyard of China.
But we can not deny that South Korea E-sport is better than any country in this world. The pro gamer in China means group of people without good education. Sometimes, they play dirty, fake game, trolling. What I can say? Chinese pro gamer is not professional in e-sport.
Ha. you are trolling indeed? Because you are banned from Chinese web forum so you take your revenge here? PLU is a chinese web forum, if you really want to pretend you are someone name another name.
Don't even bother, he has one post, posts shit immediately. Reported and he'll be banned I guess.
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On April 24 2013 14:23 Blargh wrote:
While it IS Comm's fault that he didn't immediately tell admins and get approval, I don't really care much about it personally.
I'm sure if Sundance had known you didn't really care much about it personally, all of this would have been avoided.
Quit filling all of these threads with your retardation. PLEASE.
Right back atcha.
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If China wants a sustainable esports, scene, they need to start a national league. I don't see why, if sponsors and broadcasters are interested in joining, there would be no business venture for a national league. Why would they rely on a league on the other side of the world? It's not MLG's responsibility to save China.
Blaming MLG for ruining China is just more counterproductive hate mongering.
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On April 24 2013 15:01 Kim Hyuna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:19 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide. Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket. And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours. I don't mentioned things without baseless sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US? Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft. and，My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this. Plesse don't be dumb. All the information's on Wiki is based on transparency index site.
rofl...you really should not link wiki to prove your points.
plus, corruption and korea are often related together as well and it's pretty well known. "the whole nation is corrupted" said by your President, Lee Myung-bak
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On April 24 2013 15:11 Doc.Rivers wrote:
If China wants a sustainable esports, scene, they need to start a national league. I don't see why, if sponsors and broadcasters are interested in joining, there would be no business venture for a national league. Why would they rely on a league on the other side of the world? It's not MLG's responsibility to save China.
Blaming MLG for ruining China is just more counterproductive hate mongering.
Jesus are you for real? Do you somehow feel that WCS 'NA' is entitled to the USA, because first of all, MLG runs it and seconldy it has NA in the name? Last years there was a WCS in every region/country (nearly) and now we got WCS Europe, WCS NA and WCS KR.
To participate in WCS KR you would have to be living there, because its offline. WCS EU the ping is too bad for the Chinese to participate. There is only the choice of playing in WCS NA for them. Also - who says there's no national league in China?
I'm in disbelief about the lacking respect in your post
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On April 24 2013 15:11 Doc.Rivers wrote:
If China wants a sustainable esports, scene, they need to start a national league. I don't see why, if sponsors and broadcasters are interested in joining, there would be no business venture for a national league. Why would they rely on a league on the other side of the world? It's not MLG's responsibility to save China.
Blaming MLG for ruining China is just more counterproductive hate mongering.
The Chinese players cares about WCS not MLG, unfortunately，WCS hold by MLG. We do have national league, G-league for example, But we need to come to somewhere have better SC2, just like all western Dota2 team want to join Chinese G-1 League. ( See the TL upcoming event. )
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On April 24 2013 15:14 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 15:01 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:19 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide. Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket. And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours. I don't mentioned things without baseless sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US? Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft. and，My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this. Plesse don't be dumb. All the information's on Wiki is based on transparency index site. rofl...you really should not link wiki to prove your points. plus, corruption and korea are often related together as well and it's pretty well known. "the whole nation is corrupted" said by your President, Lee Myung-bak
Nice hit.
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On April 24 2013 15:07 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:23 Blargh wrote:
While it IS Comm's fault that he didn't immediately tell admins and get approval, I don't really care much about it personally.
I'm sure if Sundance had known you didn't really care much about it personally, all of this would have been avoided. Right back atcha.
Excuse my poor wording. Let me do you a favor and rephrase it.
"While it IS Comm's fault that he didn't immediately tell admins and get approval, I don't think was a huge deal and a DQ was a bit extreme considering the circumstances. Even without telling the people he faced who he was, I don't think any of them have played against Comm more than maybe once in their life. The only time anyone might have seen him would be from WCS, which was ages ago."
I'm deeply sorry you lacked the intellect to make out what I was trying to say, despite my wording. You should consider not being a prick for stupid things. It looks bad.
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On April 24 2013 14:20 jackrlong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide. Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket. And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours. I don't mentioned things without baseless sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China ...Because a link to a Wikipedia page is totally legit. Especially when it ranks China 80th out of 176 (that's above median, LOL): that is TOTALLY "one of the most corrupt"... That's like getting below the median on an exam and saying "I had one of the best scores on the test!"
Just because something is in wikipedia doesnt mean its wrong. One thing wikipedia does well is provide sources. But must of You is too lazy to check....
http://www.transparency.org/country#CHN
They (transparency international) provide several scores/values. It does not look well for China (in regards to coruption). However how relevant it is for Starcraft would require anylysis and information gathering i dont have time to perform now.
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On April 24 2013 15:16 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 15:11 Doc.Rivers wrote:
If China wants a sustainable esports, scene, they need to start a national league. I don't see why, if sponsors and broadcasters are interested in joining, there would be no business venture for a national league. Why would they rely on a league on the other side of the world? It's not MLG's responsibility to save China.
Blaming MLG for ruining China is just more counterproductive hate mongering. Jesus are you for real? Do you somehow feel that WCS 'NA' is entitled to the USA, because first of all, MLG runs it and seconldy it has NA in the name? Last years there was a WCS in every region/country (nearly) and now we got WCS Europe, WCS NA and WCS KR. To participate in WCS KR you would have to be living there, because its offline. WCS EU the ping is too bad for the Chinese to participate. There is only the choice of playing in WCS NA for them. Also - who says there's no national league in China? I'm in disbelief about the lacking respect in your post
I didn't say they shouldn't be able to participate in WCS NA. I said MLG can't be blamed for ruining China just because they didn't get to participate in WCS NA.
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On April 24 2013 15:04 jalen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:57 PLU_CN wrote:
South Korea is the backyard of USA, North Korea is the backyard of China.
But we can not deny that South Korea E-sport is better than any country in this world. The pro gamer in China means group of people without good education. Sometimes, they play dirty, fake game, trolling. What I can say? Chinese pro gamer is not professional in e-sport.
Ha. you are trolling indeed? Because you are banned from Chinese web forum so you take your revenge here? PLU is a chinese web forum, if you really want to pretend you are someone name another name.
Yep, I am Chinese, so what I said is based on what I see in China. It is truth. And I don't know what you mean "by banned". PLU is my favor sc2 forum in China. You can not deny the people have different opinion.
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On April 24 2013 15:23 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 15:16 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 24 2013 15:11 Doc.Rivers wrote:
If China wants a sustainable esports, scene, they need to start a national league. I don't see why, if sponsors and broadcasters are interested in joining, there would be no business venture for a national league. Why would they rely on a league on the other side of the world? It's not MLG's responsibility to save China.
Blaming MLG for ruining China is just more counterproductive hate mongering. Jesus are you for real? Do you somehow feel that WCS 'NA' is entitled to the USA, because first of all, MLG runs it and seconldy it has NA in the name? Last years there was a WCS in every region/country (nearly) and now we got WCS Europe, WCS NA and WCS KR. To participate in WCS KR you would have to be living there, because its offline. WCS EU the ping is too bad for the Chinese to participate. There is only the choice of playing in WCS NA for them. Also - who says there's no national league in China? I'm in disbelief about the lacking respect in your post I didn't say they shouldn't be able to participate in WCS NA. I said MLG can't be blamed for ruining China just because they didn't get to participate in WCS NA.
How so? The fact that Chinese players didn't participate is no ones but MLGs fault.
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On April 24 2013 14:54 Type|NarutO wrote:
MLGs mistakes led to a qualifier that can be called nothing but void.
Switch to decaf.
Hyun beat players and took their chance from qualifying.
And if they had beat HyuN then not only would they have advanced instead, they would also have proven they really had a shot of earning money in this tournament.
This whole thing is such a First World problem.
The most 'outstanding' example is probably hendralisk
He's the one who got picked up by a team the day of the tournament, right? Or was it the next day? I'm all for making him the poster boy example for having his one golden moment in life stolen from him by this tournament.
Its a shame not just because chinese players were excluded, but for reference mostly because MLG has shown absolute disinterest and distaste handling the situation.
It is a shame, just like it's a shame so many in the SC2 community lack the life experience to understand the difference between message board post theory-crafting and why things in the real-world always fall way short of perfection.
I cannot see how anyone in here would first of all defend MLG
Free advice, if you don't understand both sides of an issue then just remain quiet and listen. Making grand proclamations without knowledge and insight just makes you look silly. (And a nick like Type|NarutO doesn't help, though if it is a reference to Type O Negative then I give you slight credit. RIP Pete)
I can guarantee you, every professional tournament organizes would judge/rate this tournament void/invalid. Shame really.
Alright, let's call Blizzard and just tell them to void the checks and send all that WCS money to a good charity instead. Red Cross, cancer research, that sort of thing.
User was warned for this post
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On April 24 2013 15:05 jalen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 15:01 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:19 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide. Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket. And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours. I don't mentioned things without baseless sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US? Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft. and，My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this. Plesse don't be dumb. All the information's on Wiki is based on transparency index site. All the Wiki is based on people from internet. You really need some higher education.
Sigh.
Maybe you should do a index comparison between the actual facts stated in wiki and transparency international corruption perception index results.
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Hate seeing China being left out. Clearly someone at Blizzard needs to rethink their strategy.... Sad time for SC2
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dvorakftw, if you cannot attack any point within my argument, leave it. I am no poster that puts neither time nor effort in their posts. I am long enough around here to post constructive criticism and reasonable argumentation. If you could explain to my, how the mistakes that were made are in no way a reason to render the qualifier void, please enlighten me.
Right now, you are attacking me, but not my statements.
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Why Chinese pro gamer wanna attend WCS NA? Because there is no any piece of chance to win in WCS KR , even China has better network connection to KR instead of NA. Chinese pro team beg WCS NA a ticket because their own competition level is low, then why WCS NA wanna give you a green enter to WCS NA like EG?
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On April 24 2013 15:21 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 14:20 jackrlong wrote:On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.
Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.
And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.
Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.
Why? i deal with them in real life many times.
Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide. Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket. And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours. I don't mentioned things without baseless sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China ...Because a link to a Wikipedia page is totally legit. Especially when it ranks China 80th out of 176 (that's above median, LOL): that is TOTALLY "one of the most corrupt"... That's like getting below the median on an exam and saying "I had one of the best scores on the test!" Just because something is in wikipedia doesnt mean its wrong. One thing wikipedia does well is provide sources. But must of You is to lazy to check.... http://www.transparency.org/country#CHNThey (transparency international) provide several scores/values. It does not look well for China (in regards to coruption). However how relevant it is for Starcraft would require anylysis and information gathering i dont have time to perform now.
Some people just don't learn to read. And insist his education is HIGHER than yours. Rofl. But i can't blame him. He's an aussie you see?
CN is one of the fastest moving country in terms of technology, population, manufacturing and etc.
And yet, corruption is one of the highest too. If he does read international news, the newly elected president of china already promised to wipe off the name of corruption out from China.
Seriously, who's poorer in education now? Read some news kids.
Let me give your some good read's about China corruption.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/china-expands-crackdown-on-anticorruption-activists.html?_r=0
http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2013/4/19/china-corruption-blotter-april-19-2013.html
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130423/hong-kong-reject-aid-china-sichuan-earthquake
See? With the recent Sichuan quake, HK refuses to aid them due to corruption surrounding China. It just show how heavily corrupted china are.
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On April 24 2013 15:29 PLU_CN wrote:
Why Chinese pro gamer wanna attend WCS NA? Because there is no any piece of chance to win in WCS KR , even China has better network connection to KR instead of NA. Chinese pro team beg WCS NA a ticket because their own competition level is low, then why WCS NA wanna give you a green enter to WCS NA like EG?
Chinese players want to participate in WCS: NA, because they have no option in competing in Korea. First of all, you would have to be in Korea and secondly, even some (lots) Koreans don't want to compete in Korea and you really blame Chinese for taking their chance in WCS NA?
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Tbh, China gets the very little out of the global play. Lagging to every direction, although it's not Blizzard's fault, rather the chinese goverment's fault.
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