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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:33 namste wrote: Tbh, China gets the very little out of the global play. Lagging to every direction, although it's not Blizzard's fault, rather the chinese goverment's fault. China still living in a mid-communist era. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:29 PLU_CN wrote: Why Chinese pro gamer wanna attend WCS NA? Because there is no any piece of chance to win in WCS KR , even China has better network connection to KR instead of NA. Chinese pro team beg WCS NA a ticket because their own competition level is low, then why WCS NA wanna give you a green enter to WCS NA like EG? You have to be physically available to play in Korea, as in you have to be at the studio and sit in the booth... | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:20 Blargh wrote: I don't think was a huge deal and a DQ was a bit extreme considering the circumstances. Which is a fine example of the difference between imagining yourself as an admin of a tournament among friendly, reasonable, happy-go-lucky people who all think like you and agree with you and actually running a business involving self-interested people competing for money and prizes. Lawyers love people who believe they can get by with gentlemen's agreements and hodge podge decision making. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:36 dvorakftw wrote: Which is a fine example of the difference between imagining yourself as an admin of a tournament among friendly, reasonable, happy-go-lucky people who all think like you and agree with you and actually running a business involving self-interested people competing for money and prizes. Lawyers love people who believe they can get by with gentlemen's agreements and hodge podge decision making. Stop derailing the thread and attacking people. You have no counter-arguments. | ||
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PLU_CN
Afghanistan7 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:32 Type|NarutO wrote: Chinese players want to participate in WCS: NA, because they have no option in competing in Korea. First of all, you would have to be in Korea and secondly, even some (lots) Koreans don't want to compete in Korea and you really blame Chinese for taking their chance in WCS NA? No. What you reckon is reasonable in some way. But What I see in China and What I know from Chinese pro team is : even if they have chance to attend WCS KR, they are not willing to go. Because they can't beat Korean, so who wanna waste the flight fee, house leasing fee to attend a match you don't have any chance to win? Any e-sport team put benefit on the first place. that's the truth we can not deny. But most of Chinese ( fans and pro gamer) think Chinese e-sport level is the same or higher than western country. That's the truth how they think and why they would like to attend WCS NA. | ||
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PLU_CN
Afghanistan7 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:34 canikizu wrote: You have to be physically available to play in Korea, as in you have to be at the studio and sit in the booth... As what I said No. What you reckon is reasonable in some way. But What I see in China and What I know from Chinese pro team is : even if they have chance to attend WCS KR, they are not willing to go. Because they can't beat Korean, so who wanna waste the flight fee, house leasing fee to attend a match you don't have any chance to win? Any e-sport team put benefit on the first place. that's the truth we can not deny. But most of Chinese ( fans and pro gamer) think Chinese e-sport level is the same or higher than western country. That's the truth how they think and why they would like to attend WCS NA. Even if they are available to attend KR, they won't choose KR region. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:40 PLU_CN wrote: No. What you reckon is reasonable in some way. But What I see in China and What I know from Chinese pro team is : even if they have chance to attend WCS KR, they are not willing to go. Because they can't beat Korean, so who wanna waste the flight fee, house leasing fee to attend a match you don't have any chance to win? Any e-sport team put benefit on the first place. that's the truth we can not deny. But most of Chinese ( fans and pro gamer) think Chinese e-sport level is the same or higher than western country. That's the truth how they think and why they would like to attend WCS NA. And thats your reason to bash Chinese? What about MVP, MV, HyuN, TaeJa ... or all the other Koreans and/or people that switched region? They are progamers and first of all need to win. They will choose the region which is most likely to give them winnings more over a possible chance of fame. Every reasonable progamer would decide that way. | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:30 Kim Hyuna wrote: Some people just don't learn to read. And insist his education is HIGHER than yours. Rofl. But i can't blame him. He's an aussie you see? CN is one of the fastest moving country in terms of technology, population, manufacturing and etc. And yet, corruption is one of the highest too. If he does read international news, the newly elected president of china already promised to wipe off the name of corruption out from China. Seriously, who's poorer in education now? Read some news kids. Let me give your some good read's about China corruption. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/world/asia/china-expands-crackdown-on-anticorruption-activists.html?_r=0 http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2013/4/19/china-corruption-blotter-april-19-2013.html http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130423/hong-kong-reject-aid-china-sichuan-earthquake See? With the recent Sichuan quake, HK refuses to aid them due to corruption surrounding China. It just show how heavily corrupted china are. LOL, you really take a lot of attention to Chinese government. What we are arguing is wiki as reference, I knew corruption in China is petty bad. Generally speaking, western media always report negative part of China, and as Chinese living in the western country, you will laugh when you saw the news talking about Chinese story. It is media war, and you need read both side and decide which one is the truth. And you are right about Corruption, and i am so surprise you knew "the newly elected president of china already promised to wipe off the name of corruption out from China". It a long way to go. For academic view，only the NYT one you listed can be seen as reference. LOL, i am trolling. | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:42 PLU_CN wrote: As what I said Even if they are available to attend KR, they won't choose KR region. KR is offline. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:36 dvorakftw wrote: Which is a fine example of the difference between imagining yourself as an admin of a tournament among friendly, reasonable, happy-go-lucky people who all think like you and agree with you and actually running a business involving self-interested people competing for money and prizes. Lawyers love people who believe they can get by with gentlemen's agreements and hodge podge decision making. What did MLG gain from DQing Comm? Certainly not anything positive. They have failed to enforce other rules, on MANY occasions simply because they were not a big deal. But, these arguments have been made 100 times over in the 100 different threads half-related to it. I simply stated a logical reason why Comm shouldn't have been banned. Obviously, I am not in charge, so I do not have any say in it, but I can still make an argument against something. It isn't totally black and white in this scenario. It's gray. Just like when there were matches being played where one person had a significant advantage, but then one of them cut out, the admins had to decide whether to regame or to give it to the player. If they want to be insanely strict on their rules, that's fine, but then they have to actually enforce every one of them and carry out everything professionally, otherwise, none of it means anything and it's full of failure. Mistakes happen, but when you hit someone's parked car, you have to pay for the damages you have done. Hopefully, one day when I grow up, I'll be able to become an MLG admin!! Oh my, I'm letting my imagination run away with me! | ||
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PLU_CN
Afghanistan7 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:46 Type|NarutO wrote: And thats your reason to bash Chinese? What about MVP, MV, HyuN, TaeJa ... or all the other Koreans and/or people that switched region? They are progamers and first of all need to win. They will choose the region which is most likely to give them winnings more over a possible chance of fame. Every reasonable progamer would decide that way. What I wanna explain is that IG team deserve this. Their team leader can not read English well , so their team member miss the chance to join the MLG party. But IG team leader wanna make excuse to MLG BOSS. It is ridiculous. They put EG for example, But EG's match history is way better than Chinese Team. So EG deserve to get the green ticket to attend WCS NA instead of IG. Look at COMM, who get out of WCS GuangZhou in the first round and use fake account to attend this year's WCS NA. Who is willing to give a free ticket to this kinda of team and player? I feel shamed on it. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:42 PLU_CN wrote: As what I said Even if they are available to attend KR, they won't choose KR region. xiaOt would be disappointed in your derogatory outlook on Chinese personality. xiaOt is still the manager of iG right? I remember specifically, when he was still a player, him saying that he could easily destroy any Korean player. I'm sure there are Korean's that know they can beat top Koreans. The thing is, Korea is just harder. Not even top Koreans want to play in Korea if they don't have to. Anyone with opportunity would, and do, go to NA. Don't speak about Chinese like they are scum plz. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:29 Type|NarutO wrote: dvorakftw, if you cannot attack any point within my argument, leave it. I am no poster that puts neither time nor effort in their posts. I am long enough around here to post constructive criticism and reasonable argumentation. If you could explain to my, how the mistakes that were made are in no way a reason to render the qualifier void, please enlighten me. Right now, you are attacking me, but not my statements. I'd sooner give consideration to something like "Marines should cost 500 minerals and be 6 supply each" than the idea the whole qualifier is void. Shit happens. Unfortunately for MLG few if any want to defend them (including myself) and several groups with their own agendas have reason to rabble rouse. Sundance already tweeted that they are working to address some of the problems but he was absolutely right when he said he could give away $5 and end up the asshole for not giving $10. It's much more fun to make demands and threats than to simply ask questions and voice displeasure. | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:34 Kim Hyuna wrote: China still living in a mid-communist era. That's not true. China is currently capitalist in economy, and social democracy in politics. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:51 jalen wrote: LOL, you really take a lot of attention to Chinese government. What we are arguing is wiki as reference, I knew corruption in China is petty bad. Generally speaking, western media always report negative part of China, and as Chinese living in the western country, you will laugh when you saw the news talking about Chinese story. It is media war, and you need read both side and decide which one is the truth. And you are right about Corruption, and i am so surprise you knew "the newly elected president of china already promised to wipe off the name of corruption out from China". It a long way to go. For academic view，only the NYT one you listed can be seen as reference. LOL, i am trolling. What's wrong with paying attention to Chinese news/government? It's an knowledge to know what is going on around us. Wiki references are based on true source (most of the time). | ||
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PLU_CN
Afghanistan7 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:54 Shinta) wrote: xiaOt would be disappointed in your derogatory outlook on Chinese personality. xiaOt is still the manager of iG right? I remember specifically, when he was still a player, him saying that he could easily destroy any Korean player. I'm sure there are Korean's that know they can beat top Koreans. The thing is, Korea is just harder. Not even top Koreans want to play in Korea if they don't have to. Anyone with opportunity would, and do, go to NA. Don't speak about Chinese like they are scum plz. haha . About XiaoT. Most of Chinese reckon he is a joke. He said he will attend GSL and beat Korean, then this guy disappear immediately. If you go to any Chinese SC forum mention XiaoT, they will tell this story, XiaoT is a joke. IG is the best team in China, but IG doesn't have good reputation indeed. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:53 PLU_CN wrote: What I wanna explain is that IG team deserve this. Their team leader can not read English well , so their team member miss the chance to join the MLG party. But IG team leader wanna make excuse to MLG BOSS. It is ridiculous. They put EG for example, But EG's match history is way better than Chinese Team. So EG deserve to get the green ticket to attend WCS NA instead of IG. Look at COMM, who get out of WCS GuangZhou in the first round and use fake account to attend this year's WCS NA. Who is willing to give a free ticket to this kinda of team and player? I feel shamed on it. Unable to read english well is not an excuse for this. As a manager knowing the language barrel, he should take the initiative to get a translator to make sure things like this don't screw up. | ||
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Kim Hyuna
Korea (South)264 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:58 PLU_CN wrote: haha . About XiaoT. Most of Chinese reckon he is a joke. He said he will attend GSL and beat Korean, then this guy disappear immediately. If you go to any Chinese SC forum mention XiaoT, they will tell this story, XiaoT is a joke. IG is the best team in China, but IG doesn't have good reputation indeed. SC2 in china is a joke. I would preferred to watch their DOTA2 teams instead of SC2. Their DOTA2 team has many local fan's plus it is HUGE in CN. | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
On April 24 2013 15:56 Kim Hyuna wrote: What's wrong with paying attention to Chinese news/government? It's an knowledge to know what is going on around us. Wiki references are based on true source (most of the time). Nothing wrong, and as you said most of the time wiki is on true source make me happy, at least you already know wiki is not 100% truth guaranteed. | ||
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jalen
Australia222 Posts
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