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well, It looks like Kurumi becomes a mute when he has to string more than A few words together. Don't be shy, I would love to see a nice long post on what your thoughts are!
I have a few outstanding issues I would like answers to.
On August 24 2011 04:56 Foolishness wrote:
I would like to point out that Quicksilver7 was suspicious of hiro protagonist day 1.
Thats really reaching Foolishness. he was suspect of me at a time when I only had 3 post, and none that where game related. why ignore everything thats happened sense?
On August 24 2011 04:42 chaoser wrote:
You all know where my vote stands and there it shall stay.
Dropbear's odd timing and then his claim as the medic that saved Foolishness, combined with the fact that no one has counterclaimed it leads me to trust his claim. As a consequence of that I trust Foolishness to be town.
what? are you advocating that its a good idea for a medic to claim right now. thats scummy. also, tell me how someone coming in claiming they med protected Foolishness would refute DropBear's claim. cuz I dont see it.
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Right, time to consolidate on a lynch.
I'm gonna give this a bit of a thought.
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Palmar, I'm gonna echo: Please cut the one liners. They're pretty annoying to me as well, especially when they're directed at me.
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On August 24 2011 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
You can't use one thing to call someone scum. Your pitfall is that you think you can just accuse someone based on one event.I can accuse someone for any reason I wish. this is really bad logic to think Im scum Yeah, DB fucked up the town atmosphere pretty bad by adding a lot of confusion, but most of us agree that lynching him for it is not going to get us anywhere. The reason is because, while causing chaos is a mafia tactic, we cannot lynch DB solely based on that. In order to identify someone as mafia, you need a pattern of behavior that is consistent with being mafia.There is a consistent pattern. did you not see Migs accusations? He made some very good points
I think it's possible that DB is mafia, but his behavior is not as certain as yours.If thats the case, and you think DB might be Mafia, where is the logic that I would push for my scumbuddys lynch?
Anyway, how have you hurt town atmosphere? Well, you constantly ask for people's opinions without providing any of your own. You cop out of EVERYTHING. As soon as you receive some pressure, you disappear or add cryptically,"my actions are my proof." Well, that's real convenient, seeing as you've done next to nothing!lol You claim you'll come along with analysis or you will contribute when you are able to, yet you continually post things that show signs of pretending to contribute. Your posts are empty, devoid of reasoning.So you say, but my post are neither empty nor without reasons. maybe you just dont see them
When you took flak for your DB vote which was based on like...one line and smelled very strongly like you were trying to start a bandwagon, you immediately backed off and then outright said you would just sheep whoever comes along next. You basically admitted to not having anything useful to contribute because you planned to simply sheep whoever has the most votes.Im willing to admit when I am wrong. when the whole town shot down lynching DB, I was at a lost. Ace once said " its not what you know, but who you can convince." I had just lost any ability to do that when town was like 'lol, you suck hiro' so i said I would sheep the top vote. because I want a lynch as apposed to a no lynch. sorry if that was not obvious.
If you have nothing to contribute, then I strongly believe you are mafia.
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Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb?
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had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline.
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I think Mig is a bad lynch. his defense against foolishness is very good. Also, xtfftc is of my intrest as well. no one wants to lynch DB for whatever reason. it might be a good time to lynch a lurker.
Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy.
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no wait! RazorFlash! lets lynch him. he came at me with a OMGUS and has sense vanished
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On August 24 2011 07:01 Erandorr wrote:
Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb?
I would very much want to lynch BrownBear, but I'm not sure I can build the support for that case today.
Of the other candidates there are some for points and some against.
Hiro Protagonist has either very much stepped up his scum play, or I'm right and he's town, I don't want to lynch him today.
xtffcasdio is much more scummy than hiro. But there is a certain impulsiveness in his posts. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but he's not gone below the "fishy" category for me yet.
Which leaves Mig. The entire argument against Mig, is that he has done very, very little fingerpointing that matters this game. Mig is one to usually tear up the thread as town and find scum left and right. He says he's fed up with mafia at the moment, but I mean, it's huge wifom if he's actually telling the truth in that regard.
There are other daming things in Mig's play. He has stuck down a total of 3 fos's in this game. One on Sevryn, where he called him lolscum, only to back it off later and try to switch the town to lynch chaoser. I don't know if Mig ever thought he could sway town with this switch, but it sure didn't look like he was pushing it.
Lastly he wrote an analysis on DropBear, who has... well... played questionably throughout the game. I don't really mind this case, what I mind is the fact that Mig was wrong again, and seemed to be going for a target that was easy to hunt down.
As I said much earlier in the thread, I have a fuckton of respect for Mig as a player, and given that respect, I don't think he can have done the things he has done unless he is either completely and utterly fed up with the game, or just not town-aligned.
I find the latter more likely.
##Vote Mig
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Nard, Vain and Razorflash are all excellent targets for our vigilantes.
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On August 24 2011 07:07 hiro protagonist wrote:
I think Mig is a bad lynch. his defense against foolishness is very good. Also, xtfftc is of my intrest as well. no one wants to lynch DB for whatever reason. it might be a good time to lynch a lurker.
Or Erandorr, I would be down for lynching this guy.
On August 24 2011 07:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
no wait! RazorFlash! lets lynch him. he came at me with a OMGUS and has sense vanished
You're all over the place.
My vote stays on you.
On August 24 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:01 Erandorr wrote:
Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb? I would very much want to lynch BrownBear, but I'm not sure I can build the support for that case today. Of the other candidates there are some for points and some against. Hiro Protagonist has either very much stepped up his scum play, or I'm right and he's town, I don't want to lynch him today. xtffcasdio is much more scummy than hiro. But there is a certain impulsiveness in his posts. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but he's not gone below the "fishy" category for me yet. Which leaves Mig. The entire argument against Mig, is that he has done very, very little fingerpointing that matters this game. Mig is one to usually tear up the thread as town and find scum left and right. He says he's fed up with mafia at the moment, but I mean, it's huge wifom if he's actually telling the truth in that regard. There are other daming things in Mig's play. He has stuck down a total of 3 fos's in this game. One on Sevryn, where he called him lolscum, only to back it off later and try to switch the town to lynch chaoser. I don't know if Mig ever thought he could sway town with this switch, but it sure didn't look like he was pushing it. Lastly he wrote an analysis on DropBear, who has... well... played questionably throughout the game. I don't really mind this case, what I mind is the fact that Mig was wrong again, and seemed to be going for a target that was easy to hunt down. As I said much earlier in the thread, I have a fuckton of respect for Mig as a player, and given that respect, I don't think he can have done the things he has done unless he is either completely and utterly fed up with the game, or just not town-aligned. I find the latter more likely. ##Vote Mig
I don't know Mig's meta. If Mig is a good player, I can understand why I would initially feel suspicious and upon hearing his defense begin to have doubts about my original conviction. I believe you and foolishness about Mig, but it's hard to actually vote him when his defense has been pretty good.
The problem I have with Mig is that there are things we can use to justify a lynch of him, and there are plenty of things we can use to justify keeping him alive as well. We have about 4 hours; I'm sticking with hiro because I'm more confident that he is scum than any of the other suspects right now. His responses to my posts have been outright outlandish.
I don't know what you mean by saying that hiro has stepped up his quality of posting if he is scum, because honestly I don't see any posts of quality by him yet. If you can, please point out what you mean, palmar. If you can't point out specifics I'm just going to assume that you've built that opinion of hiro based on your own gut instinct.
IMO we can't really use "feelings," as they are great sometimes, but rather we need to focus on actual evidence. I know you have a feeling about BB but it's only a feeling. Pushing your feelings is not going to help us find scum; we need to find objective evidence to support our claims.
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Ok, Palmar has convinced me. also, its not like I have much choice in the matter.
##Vote Mig
I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen.
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On August 24 2011 07:02 Pyo wrote:
had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline.
Wow, DT claim into medic claim? I don't think I believe him, but then again, if he's for real, he'll be dead by the hands of the mafia.
I'm going to keep my vote on Mig. He's gone with the "I'm burned out on mafia" defense of his posting into one-liners, which is as scummy as anyone else here (except for DB's role claiming). That said, I don't think he's going to get enough votes to actually be lynched.
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On August 24 2011 07:20 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, Palmar has convinced me. also, its not like I have much choice in the matter.
##Vote Mig
I would still rather lynch Razorflash, but I can see how that most likely wont happen.
What keeps striking me funny about you is that you consistently piggy back other players.
Instead of providing your own analysis and insight, you piggyback other players to stay off the radar. When you are asked for reasoning behind your votes and your suspicions, you provide little, if any information, at all.
Each post you have made has made you look more scummy to me.
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Well guys, then hiro protagonist will try to outsmart the bullet during the night. Oh wait, it's a HAMMER. There's a link between supersoft+Palmar and hiro protagonist, in my opinion it's a very good lynch given that AND he is scummy as heck and I do believe he is scum.
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It's based on meta, once again, wherebugsgo. I have played with hiro as scum, and against him when he was scum, and the only way he's posting like he's doing now is if he has drastically improved his scum play since those games.
The games I'm referring to are BC's AA and SNMMII.
Thing is, meta isn't always reliable, good players can and will change up their meta, but there is always... something. I don't know, it just feels like he's too... jumpy/impulsive/arrogant to be scum this game.
But do form your own opinions.
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siiigh...
I dont believe Hiro is SCUM, even though he actually wants to kill me :/
Reread his posts CAREFULLY, doenst this :
On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote:
Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid?
##Unvote: DropBear
Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day.
Sound more like an upset townie who is really mad that he is not taken seriously at all?
On August 24 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this town is full of WIFOM, and it has a name: Dropbear.
This exact situation happened in wherewolfs. day2, someone claims DT, we keep him alive. Town then spends 2 days trying to decide if the claimer is telling the truth or not. we kill him 2 days later: he was a DT. Knowing this, I wish I would have lynched him right when he claimed. We would have lost a DT, but established an important meta: claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen!
claims that cannot be confirmed must never happen
I say there is a 50/50 chance that DB is scum. considering all thats happened today, thats good enough to lynch off of.
##Vote: DropBear
DB, If you town, I am sorry, but you left us in a terrible situation.
xtfftc defense has been fairly reasonable. he has not back away from what he said, and he seems to general feel that he has done nothing wrong. good on ya xtfftc, lets scum hunt.
Also, apologies to GreyMist for calling him out when I didn't notice he was asking for a replacement.
This was the post that came before that.
I believe he just wanted to avoid something that has happened before and, more importantly IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, and no one is listening to him. I dont even think its important for this vote whether he is right or wrong , but if we believe him, and I actually do. I dont think any SCUM would be so openly speak about "sheeping votes", for example. We had some clear suspects, and then after that hero db claim we ARE back to speculating, and I do not want to repeat the mistakes of day 1.
Problem is whom to vote for of our earlier suspects. I thought mig defended himself very well and i get the same vibe from xtfffffffffffftc as i did from hero.
I need to go to bed, dont want a no lynch but am not convinced of any target enough to actually vote for them.
So fuck it , I am going to stick with a guy I am certain with and that is Nard. That dude doesnt post and when he does its scummy.
Enjoy, it will only take you a minute or so.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=50551
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On August 24 2011 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Well guys, then hiro protagonist will try to outsmart the bullet during the night. Oh wait, it's a HAMMER. There's a link between supersoft+Palmar and hiro protagonist, in my opinion it's a very good lynch given that AND he is scummy as heck and I do believe he is scum.
if you actually have a hammer, feel free to punch hiro in the face if it's your best read.
I'd suggest Vain and Nard as other options. Maybe even chaos13, who has done literally nothing to help town this game. I find it really contradictory that he keeps ranting about town atmosphere being bad, yet has not taken any visible action to improve it.
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On August 24 2011 07:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Well guys, then hiro protagonist will try to outsmart the bullet during the night. Oh wait, it's a HAMMER. There's a link between supersoft+Palmar and hiro protagonist, in my opinion it's a very good lynch given that AND he is scummy as heck and I do believe he is scum. if you actually have a hammer, feel free to punch hiro in the face if it's your best read. I'd suggest Vain and Nard as other options. Maybe even chaos13, who has done literally nothing to help town this game. I find it really contradictory that he keeps ranting about town atmosphere being bad, yet has not taken any visible action to improve it.
And you don't find hiro saying the same thing to be a tell?
On August 24 2011 05:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
How cant anyone see how bad town atmosphere has been. Mafia are laughing there Asses of in the QT right now. I want Dropbear dead cuz I Think he is scum. His claim ruined any headway that we made on day 2. Do you think thats an accident? cuz I dont.
So ask yourself this: how has anything I have done hurt town atmosphere? How has any of my post been anything other than scum hunting? I have Hid nothing from anyone, and your gonna lynch me for speaking my mind? when I un-voted DB, It was because everyone else thought I was wrong. Fair enough. But is being wrong mean Im Mafia? Also, I still think im right, but am willing to listen to town when they says Im wrong. Does that make me Mafia?
This will be my only defense in this mater for now. Im gonna use the last 5 hours of my life to find scum, and try and make a good town atmosphere.
I find that contradictory about both of them.
Hiro has also claimed that he'll make analysis (of xtfftc for example) but failed to do so. You don't find that weird?
While we're on that subject, why didn't you post any analysis of xt, hiro?
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On August 24 2011 07:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 07:01 Erandorr wrote:
Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb? I would very much want to lynch BrownBear, but I'm not sure I can build the support for that case today. Of the other candidates there are some for points and some against. Hiro Protagonist has either very much stepped up his scum play, or I'm right and he's town, I don't want to lynch him today. xtffcasdio is much more scummy than hiro. But there is a certain impulsiveness in his posts. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but he's not gone below the "fishy" category for me yet. Which leaves Mig. The entire argument against Mig, is that he has done very, very little fingerpointing that matters this game. Mig is one to usually tear up the thread as town and find scum left and right. He says he's fed up with mafia at the moment, but I mean, it's huge wifom if he's actually telling the truth in that regard. There are other daming things in Mig's play. He has stuck down a total of 3 fos's in this game. One on Sevryn, where he called him lolscum, only to back it off later and try to switch the town to lynch chaoser. I don't know if Mig ever thought he could sway town with this switch, but it sure didn't look like he was pushing it. Lastly he wrote an analysis on DropBear, who has... well... played questionably throughout the game. I don't really mind this case, what I mind is the fact that Mig was wrong again, and seemed to be going for a target that was easy to hunt down. As I said much earlier in the thread, I have a fuckton of respect for Mig as a player, and given that respect, I don't think he can have done the things he has done unless he is either completely and utterly fed up with the game, or just not town-aligned. I find the latter more likely. ##Vote Mig
Palmar I agree with you completely about Mig playing much worse than his normal standards. But to accuse him because he is wrong (how do you know that? DB could be crazy gambiting scum still, you yourself had him as a strong scum read) is asinine, did you not think his case was good? It shows that he put thought into it and actually tried to contribute something rather than a throwaway analysis. He may be wrong, but his case was well thought out and made sense, so IMO he's doing it as more than just some throwaway to push the pressure off himself. Compare that with hiro's posts, which are thoughtless and literally throwaway posts.
That said, Mig you seriously need to wake up, come into this thread, and make more of an effort. That you are channeling spurts of Kenpachi is seriously annoying.
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