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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:03 LSB wrote: Deconduo. Do you have a scum read on me? Or do you just want to criqute my posting style? And you still ignore my posts where I explain the reasoning is perfectly rational. Your chasing a ghost that doesn't exist I don't know is it my wording or way of posting but it just feels that no one is understanding what my arguments are. Either that or you are avoiding them by being obtuse on purpose. You said Barun was being hypocritical by calling you scummy for assuming Foolishness's innocence while doing the same himself. I explained why the two situations were different. You based your assumption on what the host would do. Barun did not in fact assume Foolishness was innocent, merely much less scummy than you. I don't know how this could be taken otherwise. I do FoS you over this situation. There are other things pointing at you, but this is the main issue I have. I disagree that your reasoning is perfectly rational. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
I FoS you over your reaction/defence. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
1. I do not address the the main points of Barunder. This is completly false 2. I use false logic. This again is false. I've explained why you cannot just assume that between me and foolishness there is only one mafia, and I've still explained why he is indeed assuming foolishness is town. Both of these points you ignore and pretend don't exist Its not your being ignored, its you choosing to ignore my responses, because they completely disprove the misconseption you are perpetration. It seems like you are just poorly defending Barundar but trying to get some offense with it. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 02:09 LSB wrote: Barundar's contradiction (again) So we can't speculate about role picks? Oh look what you did yourself In fact, you did the exact same thing. You trusted Foolishness with Absolute no behavior support and accused me of being scum for doing the same -You claimed Barun speculated on rolepicks when he did not -You claimed Barun trusted Foolishness with no reasoning My response: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 02:15 deconduo wrote: Flawed/bad argument. You claimed host wouldn't pick Foolishness as mafia. He claimed there was an experienced player due to the play, and that you and Foolishness were the 2 most experienced. Theres a big difference. -I explain the difference between the two quotes. One is based of 'what host would do' Other is based of off looking at kills. I never say that Barun's method was good or bad, just a lot different to what you did and to what you claim it to be. Your response: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:25 LSB wrote: There is a difference, and it's not what you say. They arguments are similar as both of them 1) Make assumptions on RoL's picks 2) Assume that Foolishness is mafia There is a few differences. My support of foolishness is weak, I recongnize that the argument shouldn't go far Barundar uses this assumption as central of FOS of me. His argument is that between LSB and Foolishness, foolishness is probably town so LSB must be mafia. In addition another difference is that I'm not accusing Barundar of being scum because of this argument. The difference is I'm pointing out that Barundar made the exact same argument and it is hypocritical of him to try to accuse me of being scum for using my argument. -1)Barun made no assumption on picks -2)Barun did not assume Foolishness was town. Merely that at least one of you is mafia, and that you were scummier. As far as I can see he never discounted a situation where both of you are mafia, Even if that was the case, he would still have cause to push you (obviously) and so its irrelevent. Maybe I'm assuming too much from his point of view and should let him speak himself. Thats the case as I see it however. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 01 2011 07:54 deconduo wrote: -1)Barun made no assumption on picks Hmmm... If you think so... -2)Barun did not assume Foolishness was town. Merely that at least one of you is mafia, Wait what??? No assumptions on pics? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 01 2011 08:38 LSB wrote: Hmmm... If you think so... Wait what??? No assumptions on pics? Have you been ignoring EVERYTHING I POSTED? Barun assumed one of you were mafia because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Its come up about twenty times. How hard is it to drill this into your brain. It even came up in THAT POST! | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
It's night time, so I don't see the point in arguing much, but I do wanna say something. Foolishness picked on me for having an unhealthy attitude, and I agree. However, I disagree with your post and analysis (which I consider quite good, and even if I didn't, I would at least consider your stance as one of the most experienced players) coming 2-3-4 hours before nightfall. I understand that one should take time to consider positions and such, but for me at least, it's very hard to stay up so much just to reconsider my vote. (12 is like... 5 or 6 am here). So what I'm saying is, I don't like this instant-bandwagon coming on 2-3 hours before night. If one is to shift a lynch, it's best done with at least 6 hours before tally. I mean, day lasts 48 hours and it seems that it all comes down to the last 2 or 3, which is unfair towards those who are not online at the time, and also somewhat detrimental to the town, because I assume that at least the mafia is active enough to take part in such votes and shift the lynch in an unwanted direction. I'm just ranting because I didn't want to vote for either LSB or Barundar, and I choked. Next time I won't and I'll keep my vote on my suspect (who was OriginalName at the time), even if I'm the only one voting for him. Carry on. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 01 2011 09:03 deconduo wrote: Have you been ignoring EVERYTHING I POSTED? Barun assumed one of you were mafia because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Because of the kills. Its come up about twenty times. How hard is it to drill this into your brain. It even came up in THAT POST! On March 01 2011 00:33 LSB wrote: Sorry, I gave barundar more credit for his argument than it was do Umm... So more unsupport arguments? It doesn't take a genious to take a gun to Priority 2 players who probably weren't medic protected. Why do I have to be at the helm of any intresting play? Maybe because you didn't respond so I assumed we weren't talking about this silly point? | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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Ser Aspi
France84 Posts
![[image loading]](http://hubba-u.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/professor_badass.jpg) Posting now in case I die. I do realize that this town seems to only care about big name players and big name spammers but maybe, just maybe...this badass picture will help save the day. What we learned day 1- Mafia couldn't save annul. Therefore mafia must not be able to influence the votes the way they want. That means most, if not all of their remaining members, must be in the afk/lurker group. Thus, the highest priority focus should be there. Simple logic right? Apparently not to the geniuses who think that annul was bussed because obviously scum want to just throw away an active member when they could otherwise get out of jail for free? All for some petty little trust? Not like being right once means anyone will be right again. Lightning doesn't always strike twice. LSB/Barundar mgiht be mafia, might not. But others are far far more likely. So ignore them for now. What we learned day 2- Nothing except that the town is incompetent and focuses on the easy lynches instead of the guys who dont want to stick out. In short do the opposite of this and ur good. Some more bad posts: On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote: I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum? On February 28 2011 11:39 seRapH wrote: Ok, all caught up. LSB vs Barundar- LSB is the one who really pushed the annul lynch. That alone makes me doubt that he's mafia, regardless of how scummy the rest of his play so far might seem. Barundar, on the other hand, doesn't have the cleanest record right now. I'd be ok with lynching Barundar, since LSB has already caught one. icemac- Getting scummier, really starting to suspect him now. It doesn't help that his lynch is meeting with a lot of resistance. Especially this late in the day. Feels like someone's deliberately diverting the lynch off of him, doesn't it? Personally, I say we go for it. When there's post that triggers a swing in votes this late in the game it feels super suspicious. Also, it's the end of the day. The entire day cycle was spent with great bickering and squabbles between two parties. Everything was dandy, with two camps clearly lined up. No matter who we lynched, we'd have much more information to look at. But now people are jumping off and actively diverting the lynch. At the end of the day. For no reason other than because foolishness said so. I hate that. I respect foolishness and all as a player, but that does not mean that we should just blindly do what he tells us. This isn't a battle between a few "priority 1" players, this is isn't even a battle between "priority 1+2" players, this is a game where YOU decide who YOU think is mafia. Is anyone actually voting for people they think are really mafia? Because at this rate, we're going to lose all the progress we made today. And that's bullshit. Priority 1 players? Dont make me laugh at LSB's marketing bullshit. Foolishness made a good case, he seems to know his stuff, and we listened. Nothing more to it, LD was a better lynch than icemac/barundar/lsb. Your entire post boils down to: "Hold my hand and dont hurt me if i im wrong but maybe icemac or barundar might possibly be mafia but i dont want to take an active stance and point da finger. OH AND DONT TRUST FOOLISHNESS." Of course scum wouldnt want us to trust someone who can make posts like that. Please explain why a townie would make his most impactful post consisting of such drivel that helps the mafia. Oh wait, you cant. On February 28 2011 23:08 JBright wrote: There isn't all that much for me to say in this situation. I think my play so far have been a hindrance to town - at best a bad townie and at worst a lurking scum. Both situations won't bring me to a situation of being nightkilled, so I'll assume that I'll be up for a lynch by the next day cycle if there are no better candidates. Are you joking? I mean seriously, you have to be kidding? could you make it anymore obvious you dont care at all about the town? You point out how useless you are, and that's it? You dont make any attempt to do....ANYTHING?.You don't weigh in on what you think of the days events, who you think is guilty or innocent, or anything besides how useless you are, which we know already. Great! If you are a townie i dont ever want to play with you again, but you arent, so its cool ill see you next game brodooski. Conclusions Axis of Evil Jbright -Doesnt care about the town Seraph -his (few) posts help scum LunarDestiny - tries to look like hes being helpful while hiding that he really isnt Both seraph and lunar are clearly very active and engaged as evidenced by their pregame posts and suddenly arent after getting their roles. Jbright is obvious as all hell, nothing more should be said. There are other people who deserve attention too, eg Why for his original bandwagon on icemac when annul was under heat and penchant for only pressuring innocents, but stick with the axis of evil for now and maybe throw a check on our good Question pal if he doesn't die. Remember, highest priority/most guilty people first. Anyone else after. | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Beneather was walking home after the disappointing lynch. He was pretty hungry so he stopped off at a convenience store and bought himself some chips. After completing his purchase, Beneather continued on his way home. He was getting really hungry so he decided to open the bag and eat as he walked. The bag resisted his first attempts to open it. Increasingly frustrated, Beneather smacked the bag as hard as he could. With a decisive pop of fast releasing air, the bag sprang open. Barely audible because of the perfect timing with the bag, another pop sounded. Beneather started as though he had seen something, his eyes bugged a little and the bag of chips slipped from his hands, spilling all over the ground. Beneather keeled backwards, a neat little hole drilled in the back of his head. Another citizen of Liquidia was already home. Kenpachi was playing solitaire in his basement. After the previous murders, Kenpachi was not taking a chance with the windows. He was deeply engrossed in his game so he didn’t hear the sound of his lock being jimmied. He did however hear the creak as the intruder stepped on a loose floorboard. Kenpachi looked around for something to defend himself with. “This has got to be a bad dream” he thought, “I’m a prisoner in my own home.” Desperate for something, anything, Kenpachi picked up the table and wedged it against his basement door. The creaking continued upstairs, his home was being searched. Finally, the footsteps retreated and kenpachi allowed himself a small sigh of relief. He inhaled deeply to calm his nerves; something was still wrong. Kenpachi immediately felt the effects on his breathing, his chest constricted and his vision clouded. “I have to… get… out of here” Kenpachi wheezed to himself, he shifted the door open and staggered out of his basement. He made it halfway down the hall towards his door before he finally succumbed. OriginalName was enjoying a drink at his favorite pub. He wasn’t worried about the mislynch, there was his favorite draught on tap and sports on the TV. “Things could be worse” thought ON. He drained his drink and stood up. He had to hit the head before he ordered another round. ON made his way out back to the outhouse. “Wish they’d get some modern plumbing” grumbled ON. As he approached the outhouse he realized it was occupied, “why is someone always taking a shit before I have to go in” groused ON. He rapped on the door and shouted “hey buddy hurry up in there.” There was no response. “Probably a kid taking a hit or something” muttered ON. He heard the door swing open and looked up. “HOLY SHI-” the blast of a shotgun silenced the rest of ON’s exclamation. Kenpachi the Townie had died. Beneather the Detective had died. OriginalName the Miller had died. ________ Thanks to Meapak_Ziphh for writing yet another day post. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 01 2011 11:57 LSB wrote: I was role blocked last night. Ok, that means detectives and cops should have clean checks for today. They could only do one 0.5 KP power. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
These players are proven scumhunters LSB Foolishness Priority 2: Active vets These player have quiet a few games under their belt and are pretty active Barundar CubEdIn GMarshal seRapH chaoser LunarDestiny deconduo why Bumatlarge Priority 3: Kill if you think they are blue These players are generally inactive, or easily to bus Coagulation Jackal58 gryffindor ohN Uncatagorized: Newish people, sort them into the three groups as they start playing JBright Gofarman Conversion kevconsim Ser Aspi LastArgument | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On March 01 2011 11:57 LSB wrote: I was role blocked last night. This is interesting, it hints at mafia having 3 kp or else they cannot afford to rb anyone. Also do any vigi's claim to have shot last night? because if you did then we know that mafia spent a whole KP doing something else, if no-one claims the vigi hit then we have to work on the assumption that there wasn't one. Also gryff you seemed pretty convinced you were going to die... | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 11:57 LSB wrote: I was role blocked last night. Really? Which Vig shot? | ||
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