EPT[G] Belial’s Comprehensive Guide to Everything ZvT! - Page 6
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
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Vaapad
Norway171 Posts
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10734
340 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:06 TwilightRain wrote: Is having some excess larva and not enough money to spend larva ASAP on drones/lings a common issue during the period when you go for your queens 5-6+ 1-2 spines+evo chambers? That's why I feel somewhat uncomfortable when doing the 6-queen-opening I'm having the same problem, even without the spines. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
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Discarder
Philippines411 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
Belial88 was just banned by semioldguy. That account was created on 2010-11-07 17:13:15 and had 4302 posts. Reason: You make a huge post to bash someone and combined with your seemingly endless moderation history, it appears you do not learn from your warnings and bans. Your last chance has been used. Goodbye. | ||
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gronnelg
Norway354 Posts
We've lost one of our gurus  (( | ||
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Salivanth
Australia1071 Posts
Christ. That guy was probably the best poster TL had, the guy with the skills to know what he was talking about and the stones to say it straight-up, and this is how he gets treated. I would expect this in a lot of places, but not TL. TL knows the reality of competition. It's hard, and it's tough, and Belial knew that. He didn't pull his punches. After all, your ladder opponents sure as hell aren't going to. I look forward to seeing another account pop up in the same style, in hope that Belial returns to us again. Because dammit, TL needs MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM, NOT LESS. I don't even blame the mod who banned him, because you can't let someone get away with forum rules, lest people point and say "But Belial did it!". But I wish the system were set up in such a way that Belial's actions were acceptable. Belial genuinely helped that Terran so much with his "bashing", or at least, provided the Terran with the material to help himself. Only when you realise how terrible you are can you really improve, and Belial was the best person at that that I have ever seen. The strategy forum is worse for having lost him. That is all. | ||
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On September 13 2012 21:56 Salivanth wrote: Really? REALLY? Belial is HONEST. Brutally honest. A huge post to BASH someone? I saw that post. That post, if the player had listened to it, would have been the most useful post he'd ever read on TL. Even him posting those long critiques of OTHER PLAYERS have made me a better player. I would have loved nothing better than to get one from him if I ever thought my play was imperfect. Christ. That guy was probably the best poster TL had, the guy with the skills to know what he was talking about and the stones to say it straight-up, and this is how he gets treated. I would expect this in a lot of places, but not TL. TL knows the reality of competition. It's hard, and it's tough, and Belial knew that. He didn't pull his punches. After all, your ladder opponents sure as hell aren't going to. I look forward to seeing another account pop up in the same style, in hope that Belial returns to us again. Because dammit, TL needs MORE PEOPLE LIKE HIM, NOT LESS. I don't even blame the mod who banned him, because you can't let someone get away with forum rules, lest people point and say "But Belial did it!". But I wish the system were set up in such a way that Belial's actions were acceptable. Belial genuinely helped that Terran so much with his "bashing", or at least, provided the Terran with the material to help himself. Only when you realise how terrible you are can you really improve, and Belial was the best person at that that I have ever seen. The strategy forum is worse for having lost him. That is all. The fact that he's made some good additions to the strategy forum doesn't mean that he can be an ass and not get banned. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368192#8 He explains to a terran why he lost, that he did a lot of mistakes, AND he got banned ?! WTF | ||
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
 Also, it wasn't the post itself, rather then tone itself combined with his moderation history that caused the mods to pull the hammer. Definitely too harsh, but understandable when someone's posting history isn't particularly clean. edit: to clarify, i had nothing to do with Belial being unbanned, he already had before my pm. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On September 14 2012 02:11 Teoita wrote: I PM'd Semioldguy, and he told me he's been unbanned. Calm down Also, it wasn't the post itself, rather then tone itself combined with his moderation history that caused the mods to pull the hammer. Definitely too harsh, but understandable when someone's posting history isn't particularly clean. Aaah thanks ! | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Is having some excess larva and not enough money to spend larva ASAP on drones/lings a common issue during the period when you go for your queens 5-6+ 1-2 spines+evo chambers? That's why I feel somewhat uncomfortable when doing the 6-queen-opening You could always just inject less and tumor more. Also, this has been something I've been addressing recently in my own play... and I find that the injects are necessary for enough larva ;/ But here's the BO I use, and DRG recently uses, and most zergs use: hatch first 16-17 pool 2 queens (2xinject, walk to front of nat ) 25 overlord 2 queens (they will pop a little after initial injects pop, its okay, use them to do 2nd round of injects, then walk to nat) 32-52 Third Hatch (standard timing seems to be ~45, right after you make that 2xInject round of drones. Some people elect to delay that huge round of drones to get the third quicker. It seems to me that taking it ~45 is best, but I'm not really sure). 2 queens (same thing) so each of your first 3 rounds of injects are a bit staggered so creep can start going quicker. ~60 2xEvo and Spine to sim city nat to block hellions (you HAVE to do this, use hold position on 1-2 queens to block nat in!), 4 gas, possible a spine in third depending how many queens needed to block nat in. | ||
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silly
Sweden18 Posts
On September 14 2012 08:08 Belial88 wrote: Someone had made a thread about 'how to beat a-moving zerg' so I bit the bait. You could always just inject less and tumor more. Also, this has been something I've been addressing recently in my own play... and I find that the injects are necessary for enough larva ;/ But here's the BO I use, and DRG recently uses, and most zergs use: hatch first 16-17 pool 2 queens (2xinject, walk to front of nat ) 25 overlord 2 queens (they will pop a little after initial injects pop, its okay, use them to do 2nd round of injects, then walk to nat) 2 queens (same thing) so each of your first 3 rounds of injects are a bit staggered so creep can start going quicker. ~60 2xEvo and Spine to sim city nat to block hellions (you HAVE to do this, use hold position on 1-2 queens to block nat in!), 4 gas, possible a spine in third depending how many queens needed to block nat in. Could you also add when to properly take the 3rd in that BO? And what(if) it depends on? + Ty for being awesome and active Belial. | ||
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j.k.l
112 Posts
for example how do you scout 2 base hellion banshee pressure and what is the best way to react to it? Is fast third the answer? thanks i hope you can help me! | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
- the build order is the same (get 2 queens + some more stuff for defense, that can either be speed or more queens or even just spines or roaches or whatever). Make a 3rd hatchery ~50 supply (nowadays a third vs 1 rax FE as opposed to a macro hatch vs reactor hellion). - although mutas are not nearly as popular as before, there are still essentially 2 ways to play the game, muta or infestor, fast hive. The guide describes how to play both styles, nothing has really changed in how either of these are played out still. - ultras are maybe more popular, but again, it's still the same - you want hive tech against a 3 base terran ~maxed out push, whether its broods or ultras isn't much different. I mean all that's really changed is that infestors are more popular than mutas, but infestors has always been a viable build since destiny did his mass infestor stuff in zvt, and the 6 queen opener vs 1 rax FE, as people took quick thirds vs 1 rax FE sort of play back in the day too. I'd say the biggest difference is the advent of the 6 queen opener, and I've added a section entirely on how to play the 6 queen opener. Scouting 2 base hellion/banshee pressure is listed in the guide, and it's the same as it was 2 years ago. You need to sac an overlord at ~40 supply to see what terran is doing. If terran grabs 2 gas in his main before your queens are done, like when marine comes out about, it will most likely be hellion/banshee or at least a starport or double fact since it's a ton of gas, i mean you can kind of tell with an overlord sac... Fast third should be the answer to terran taking his natural. If terran goes 1 rax FE, you should grab a third around 45 supply. Chill man, it's all in the guide. Yes, it's all very up to date, I update all my guides every week, I add replays as certain games/strats happen to me on ladder, I often replace replays/vods with better reps/vods (ie more clear ones). The 6 queen guide and the 3 replays on 6 queen in the replay/vod section should all help you out. just gotta sac an overlord at 40, thats' a big deal, that and learning how to do 6 queen properly. | ||
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niladorus
Greece116 Posts
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j.k.l
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
But as for why I am not blue status, it's because I've been a little too mean in my posts when going on about my opinion/take on the game or when analyzing replays. I've toned it down a lot and will be sure to tone it down more now on, but I probably would have been Blue a while ago. I also have a lengthy warn/ban history - I'm not a perfect poster, sometimes I've basically asked for warns/bans. I've also never tried to become a model for the community in any way. I just contribute some stuff on the strat forum, I have a view of the game, and I post [H] replays when I lose a lot, so it's my way of giving back. I don't want to be one of those people that asks for help or the time of others, and then not give anything in return. I hope my guides and contributions have given back to those who've given valuable time to help me out, especially when I was just a low silver. I don't foresee blue status or anything like that in the near future, but I have decided to shape up a lot more, not just avoid warns/bans, but be a better poster. I'll still give my input on things but a lot of the trouble is probably because I post on far too much that I should just ignore. Maybe one day, I'm not really worried about it, and I don't think anyone else is either. If you like my posts, feel free to tell the staff or something. Thanks. btw i saw some stephano zvts and he does somethingg quite interesting:4Q opening @25 supply he makes 2! ovies and then an ovie again at 33 (5 min gas 6 min 3rd+5thQ) seemed veery smooth (basicly the 5th Q is the only queen that creep spreads to the third and then stays there) (7min evos, gas goes: speed,+1/+1, lair) I imagine him making an overlord at 25/28, and then at 28/28, is because those 2 extra queen's queued up and then some drones can bring you up to 36/36 very quickly. I do this too, but if you make the overlord after starting those queens so you are at ~33/36 that's fine too. It depends on your third timing, since you are banking money you don't want to start that overlord immediately, so by making it at 25, 28, and 36 so it all sort of flows so you can take that 45 third and not have to start an overlord until well after 45 since you are going to be in the 40s for a while (2 more queens, taking a third, taking gases). | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
Thanks alot for this great guide! | ||
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