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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Hapa = Melvin Z-Bo = Paulo The above is a small snip of a skype convo we had a few weeks back. I obviously don't want to screenshot the whole thing (it goes on a while), but this should get the gist of it - Z-Bo really wanted to play a less-active style of play and was running it by me (I advised against it, but he was unconvinced throughout). This makes me think that this could be town Z-Bo. I know what Ver's guide says about the random 1-liners and what not but I really just disagree with it in this specific case. I think it's just a product of him wanting to post less. He could be scum, but at the end of the day, debears is much scummier to me. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote: Guys, DP just claimed scum. Get of your crap wagons and let's get rid of him, now. Where what why? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I don't think DP is scum. I don't think DP would make a case on Clarity if he's scum. There are enough outlying candidates for him to make a case on and vote on. I think it's more likely DP is being bad. I often find DP's reads as town somewhat ridiculous. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
He wants to lynch clarity | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:51 marvellosity wrote: I could consolidate on to Crossfire, I guess. I don't think DP is scum. I don't think DP would make a case on Clarity if he's scum. There are enough outlying candidates for him to make a case on and vote on. I think it's more likely DP is being bad. I often find DP's reads as town somewhat ridiculous. It's possible he dove into the thread in the eleventh hour with an insane terrible read but how could you think clarity isn't town after his D1 play. I can't possibly imagine this coming even from a bad town player-- and DP clearly read clarity's filter. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
@ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:52 Hopeless1der wrote: K actually going home this time. I'll be back before the lynch, TL being down notwithstanding If you vote DP you're more likely to die but then we'll get to lynch scum so do that | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now. @ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. The easiest way to address DP's case is to lynch him | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I hope everyone is cool with me addressing DP's case after lynchtime, because it'll clog up the thread and we need to consolidate right about now. @ Hapa Aren't you saying the opposite of what the log suggests? In the log he says "I guess I should post less" and you tell him to post more anyway. Yet he hasn't. Yeah I spent most of the convo trying to convince him. He never budged. Want me to dig up the rest? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:55 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I spent most of the convo trying to convince him. He never budged. Want me to dig up the rest? No I'll take your word for it, just wanted you to clarify. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Consolidating on cross gives us nothing. I realize lynching for information is a terrible thing but lynching a coinflip that's guaranteed to not give information isn't the answer. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
I am not comfortable with a lynch on ZB. So he is playing differently and posting less, but when I take a look at his filter I see some very lengthy and thought out posts that offer good analysis. I don't think that lynching him due to him posting differently this game is fair, especially when his posts are pretty significant (I said earlier that even though his filter wasn't large, every post contributed something). I take Hapas word that before this game even started he talked with ZB and ZB discussed wanting to change his posting style a bit (though a skype log would be nice!). Why lynch someone who has changed their posting style when you could be lynching someone who isn't being pro-town at all: Regarding Hopeless1der Look at his filter, there is NO attempt to find scum, the only person he gos after is debears, but only after debears went after him. The first half of his filter is talk about people being afk and/or smurfs - this really doesn't help at all. And his post where he reads debears: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debears Am I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 06:27 Hopeless1der wrote: In response to Z-Bo's case on me: - No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess. Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out. Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about) Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town. He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now. His only reason for voting debears is that debears made a read on him and voted him. And then there is this: On November 15 2012 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote: @Marv's case on Z-Boson - Quite frankly, if it saves me, I'll vote Z-boson, otherwise my vote stays parked on debears. I still think Z-Bo is town though, I just happen to know I'm town. I don't like this at all. Hopeless clearly states that he views ZB is town, earlier in the game ZB makes a small meta case and hopeless doesn't vote him (rightfully so) - but now he will throw his vote on ZB??? You don't scum hunt at all, say you view ZB as town but are willing to vote for him, and keep your vote parked on debears all game solely because debears made a read on you and threw his vote your way. This is not town oriented play in my opinion. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
The change is too great. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:51 marvellosity wrote: I could consolidate on to Crossfire, I guess. I don't think DP is scum. I don't think DP would make a case on Clarity if he's scum. There are enough outlying candidates for him to make a case on and vote on. I think it's more likely DP is being bad. I often find DP's reads as town somewhat ridiculous. Why do you want to consolidate on Crossfire when he's heading to modkill land? Also regarding DP, coming in with a random case on a player who hasn't been considered at all, especially considering we're not consolidated at all as town is pretty questionable. Dunno if it's enough to lynch him over debears though - these last minute things never end well. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:50 Hapahauli wrote: http://postimage.org/image/9ilt0jqpt/ Hapa = Melvin Z-Bo = Paulo The above is a small snip of a skype convo we had a few weeks back. I obviously don't want to screenshot the whole thing (it goes on a while), but this should get the gist of it - Z-Bo really wanted to play a less-active style of play and was running it by me (I advised against it, but he was unconvinced throughout). This makes me think that this could be town Z-Bo. I know what Ver's guide says about the random 1-liners and what not but I really just disagree with it in this specific case. I think it's just a product of him wanting to post less. He could be scum, but at the end of the day, debears is much scummier to me. that all from the skype conversation? He doesn't really say much about changing his style fundamentally there just that he is going to post less and he failed to do so. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:58 iamperfection wrote: that all from the skype conversation? He doesn't really say much about changing his style fundamentally there just that he is going to post less and he failed to do so. I'll dig up the rest, brb. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:58 Hapahauli wrote: Why do you want to consolidate on Crossfire when he's heading to modkill land? Also regarding DP, coming in with a random case on a player who hasn't been considered at all, especially considering we're not consolidated at all as town is pretty questionable. Dunno if it's enough to lynch him over debears though - these last minute things never end well. HE's probably going to replacement land, not modkill land. Either way not worht lynching | ||
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