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On November 15 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town. "wahh i'm pretty fed up with having to play forum mafia whenever i play forum mafia" For what it's worth this is like the scummiest thing ZB has done this game
It's cause you don't know the context. My main problem as town is that people think I'm scum every. single. time. Every past game I've played on, I've been receiving shit based on misinterpretations, things I've said that were confusing, and mismatched other things I have said. I got VERY frustrated because I was playing mafia and I spent like 70% trying to not get lynched instead of scumhunting.
So I've decided to change my playing style a bit, so the general populace stops twisting my unclear words. Hapa pretty much nailed it, as it was a topic I've discussed with him quite a lot:
On November 15 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Uhhh Z-Boson huh? That's interesting. He kinda peaced out of the thread after dropping his Hopeless case.
Off the top of my head he is usually a bit more active in his town games and was a tad lurky in his scum game (can't draw conclusions from that though). I generally think his posts have been fewer in number but higher in quality. I'm inclined to think it's a stylistic change and not scummy given some of my previous conversations with him.
And now I've been trying hard to read more, post less, but with more clarity and quality. And that apparently led marv to have a meta read on me, for "tone", despite me trying pretty hard to get shit right. That pretty much explains my QQ - no matter how hard I try, I'm found as scum every single fucking bitchass time, and this time even marv found it so.
/rant
Anyways, bring it on marv you slut.
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I know TL is having problems. However, I have decided (for now) to keep the deadline in ~2 hours. The game started 2 hours early, so you guys haven't really lost any time. I will, however, be a bit lenient with modkills/replacements if people are honestly TRYING to post, but not able to due to the outages.
TL;DR: Barring more major outages, deadline is still in 2 hours. If that changes, I'll post again.
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On November 15 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2012 08:53 Hapahauli wrote:That's fucking rediculous debears. I have no idea why I'm going to respond to it, but hopefully I can show the thread how desperate you are right now: 1) "Overkill" case: I've used this in my TOWN games. It is not about "scumhunting too hard" at all. Rockband Mini for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=40#7962) I'm scummy because my case isn't based around debears meta. ROFL. 3) Next post. No meta. Just an assumption that iamp was my top scumread because iamp had more content and that I didn't vote him, which he sees as scummy ROFL at no meta again. ROFL at not responding to my relevant case AGAIN. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#9374) ISN'T THAT THE PROBLEM? HOPELESS HAS BEEN AROUND AND HAS ZERO CONTENT AGAIN, Hopeless is very capable of doing this as town.
But to all the townies out there, please read debears "case." He thinks I"m scummy because I'm not using a fucking meta read on him. But here's a meta read - debears is active as town OR scum, but what's distinguishing is his logic. This is a prime example of the crazy illogical things he uses to put suspicion on people as scum. You've just committed to showing shitty logic from scum debears =\ It's rather hard to post perfect logic when you're scum and you HAVE to show suspicion of confirmed townies. What's your point? That debears is going to rage at OMG META READ WITH NO EXAMPLES
Hopeless last time someone did this to me when I was close to getting lynched was scum. You're just making the case against you better right now
Saying stuff along the lines of "omg desperation"
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Oh wow I got uber sniped. Hang on.
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 09:01 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town. "wahh i'm pretty fed up with having to play forum mafia whenever i play forum mafia" For what it's worth this is like the scummiest thing ZB has done this game It's cause you don't know the context balh blah blah vblahl blahblah
I meant it in the sense that you aren't very scummy
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Oooh boy wall-o-text case on Z-Bo. Readin' readin'
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Are people really still voting me?
Who will be around 1 hour before lynch guys????
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
debears if you really want me to i'll vote you to
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On November 15 2012 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
debears if you really want me to i'll vote you to
I mean. Idc if you do. I just want to know numbers right now of a possible swing last hour
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@Marv
While it does fit meta, and I did say long posts make it easier for scum to think things out, I'm not willing to lynch Z-Bo today.
Why not HopelesS?
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I feel I am at a disadvantage, not having a natural meta awareness about most people in this thread. I do try to read people's older games after I am done reading through their filter, but I just read their filter, which means their posts lose context.. somewhat.
That said, marv's case makes a lot of sense.
I mean, he used the word propensity, how can I resist.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-BosoN
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On November 15 2012 09:09 debears wrote:
@Marv
While it does fit meta, and I did say long posts make it easier for scum to think things out, I'm not willing to lynch Z-Bo today.
Why not HopelesS?
why not?
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marv do you have any problems with boson that aren't meta related?
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On November 15 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv do you have any problems with boson that aren't meta related?
Generally speaking Z-Boson has not been involved with town at all, and while that directly contradicts his meta, it is scummy in its own right.
An almost identical reference to this is HiroPro in Rock Band, who I found scum for meta reasons, and one of those reasons was that he was not invested in the thread. And his DP stuff I don't like, and just the general wording of some of his stuff I don't like (this is all in my case if I read it).
And to preempt "I'm trying to change my style" defence. You can try to change your style to post more concisely, but the underlying player is still the same. Z-Boson would not suddenly become way more confident in his reads; however posts are presented it's not like he miraculously becomes 100% more certain on his reads as town.
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Has hopeless been involved marv?
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i find hopeless less scummy. i'm not talking about him atm.
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@ BH
Why the hell do you still have your vote on me? It's shit and you know it.
Regarding Z-Boson
It's interesting, and I'm interested in hearing what Z-Bo has to say about it. That being said, I still find debears much more scummy.
1) Z-Boson is matching his Newbie XXV scum-meta. I'm reallllly hesitant about using meta from that long-ago. It was his first game, and he's changed as a player a lot since then. There is a resemblance, but nothing lynchable.
2) Z-Boson is not making enough "non-serious" remarks. Again, this isn't a deviation that I consider significant enough from his town meta to be lynchable.
3) Z-Boson is more decisive. This point I like quite a bit. However, I've had some conversations with Z-Bo after recent newbie game where he mentioned he wanted to make a stylistic change to his game. He talked to me a lot about wanting to post less and what not. I think it's consistent. I'll see if I can find the skype logs.
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@Marv's case on Z-Boson - Quite frankly, if it saves me, I'll vote Z-boson, otherwise my vote stays parked on debears. I still think Z-Bo is town though, I just happen to know I'm town.
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@ Z-Boson
Would you mind if I posted our skype convos?
Hell am I allowed to post skype convos?
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On November 15 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv do you have any problems with boson that aren't meta related? Generally speaking Z-Boson has not been involved with town at all, and while that directly contradicts his meta, it is scummy in its own right. An almost identical reference to this is HiroPro in Rock Band, who I found scum for meta reasons, and one of those reasons was that he was not invested in the thread. And his DP stuff I don't like, and just the general wording of some of his stuff I don't like (this is all in my case if I read it). And to preempt "I'm trying to change my style" defence. You can try to change your style to post more concisely, but the underlying player is still the same. Z-Boson would not suddenly become way more confident in his reads; however posts are presented it's not like he miraculously becomes 100% more certain on his reads as town.
then why are you singling out boson as opposed to any of the other people who have a similar or smaller amount of content? there are people with less contributions including myself. it looks like the case is built entirely upon a meta read. that brings me to what i've been worrying about for awhile now... i'm surprised that marv and hapa specifically haven't been questioning me harder than they have been. maybe some of the other people i've played with too, but those two specifically should know that my play looks nothing like it normally does.
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