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On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying Ok this bit is fair, however: This is complete bullshit. This coming from the guy who accused me of going after "easy" targets in iamperfection and you. Show nested quote +And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up
More lies The voting is a big deal because I still don't see how the hell you arrived at Hopeless being your top scumread. Hell you started all this "OMG OMG HOPELESS SCUM" thing the second I called you out for not pushing him and pushing iamperfection instead. Maybe at some point you'll actually respond to this instead of spouting your "bad assumption" nonsense about your "suspicion" on Hopeless: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#937Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well.
im not an easy lynch as town by the way its never happened.
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 08:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me. wasn't what i asked dear
You're not lynching me today and I'm town. I'm helping you with your ZB read.
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On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it.
Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient.
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 08:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town.
"wahh i'm pretty fed up with having to play forum mafia whenever i play forum mafia"
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Blazinghand
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okay marv well I guess I owe it to you so I'm gonna respond to your stuff. brb
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On November 15 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it. Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient.
Well usually your pretty good at putting yourself in other peoples shoes hapa. If i was in his shoes and town and someone that coached me said i was scum i would be pretty suspicious of him.
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On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:31 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me. wasn't what i asked dear You're not lynching me today and I'm town. I'm helping you with your ZB read.
NO. I asked you about your claim thought process. I want to get a read on YOU. Please answer me.
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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 08:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it. Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient. Well usually your pretty good at putting yourself in other peoples shoes hapa. If i was in his shoes and town and someone that coached me said i was scum i would be pretty suspicious of him.
No you wouldnt
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Votecount:
debears (3): Hapahauli, Hopeless1der, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (2): debears, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): Blazinghand
Not voting (4): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, marvellosity, Z-BosoN
Currently, debears is set to be lynched! (Most likely) ~2.5 hours remaining in day 1.
Please PM any of your resident votecount bitches (or mighty master Keir) if your vote is counted incorrectly.
We recieved reports of TL being semi-down for some players (and also for Keir, the loveable host). For now, just proceed as usual and assume the deadline at 11:00 KST like it should be.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +debears (3): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (2): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity, Z-BosoN, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart, Blazinghand
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (0): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (4): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, marvellosity, Z-BosoN
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oh shit waaaaaaaait
that post
marv i can make your zboson case for you:
keeeeeeeeenpaaaaaaaachiiiiiiiiii ruuuuuuuuuuule
he was the first one to vote me for my accidental vt claim and the first one to try to use it as a lever of suspicion
lets lynch him
oh hey marv did you actually read through hopeless's list post or did you just do what everyone seems to have done and be like "oh he posted a bunch of reads that's what townies should do when they're under attack good for him"?
what do you think of the things he actually said in there?
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in fact i think i actually had that situation happen to me in rockband that sob bh accused me of being scum. The nerve he showed.
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I'm waiting marv 
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case on hapa incoming. So you guys know he's full of it
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On November 15 2012 08:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:36 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it. Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient. Well usually your pretty good at putting yourself in other peoples shoes hapa. If i was in his shoes and town and someone that coached me said i was scum i would be pretty suspicious of him. No you wouldnt
wat
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Hey. I am back. I went to sleep past 3am and am hungover as shit. I am not whining. It is an explanation of where I have been since I last posted. Sleeping. I am going to dive some filters and make a case.
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On November 15 2012 08:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it. Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient. Well usually your pretty good at putting yourself in other peoples shoes hapa. If i was in his shoes and town and someone that coached me said i was scum i would be pretty suspicious of him.
I would completely sympathize with debears if there was any rationality to his suspicion on me whatsoever. However there isn't any. Look through his filter and show me one coherent argument about why I'm suspicious. There isn't ANY.
The only thing he ever brings up is this "Hapa is going against his rules", which is absolute bullshit. Not only have I used the read he referenced in my previous town games, but more importantly he's singling out one of the most minor points in my case against him as opposed to actually addressing it.
Top it off with his defense post with the "easy lynches" crap and there's no way this guy flips town.
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On November 15 2012 08:38 debears wrote:
case on hapa incoming. So you guys know he's full of it
Oooh boy I can't WAIT to read this.
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
First things first: you are a clever dude.[/qiuote]
Yes
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
You are also aware of your scum meta, and we've talked about it before too. As such you're capable of making changes to your meta, or trying to. In other words, being more aggressive and what have you.[/quote]
Yes
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
Things that have struck me this game with that:
- You called iamp "bad" at least a couple of times. Just outright calling him a bad player. This is in contrast to say Rock Band where you railed at him for poor play and you kept pushing him to play better. Here you call him bad and that's different.[/quote]
Different than Rock Band, yes. But I've also posted more 1-liners which is different. Also I'm posting via my phone more often which is different. Lots of things are different. Are you really drawing a meta comparison after throwing out my scum meta earlier? Is this "blazinghand isn't playing his scum meta, but some other meta that's not his scum meta, but trust me I think he's scum due to this meta read that's unrelated to his scum meta?" ._.
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
- You called Kickstart "scum or bad", he should be "ignored", he should be "removed from our discourse" (or whatever the direct quote was). The townie BH I know does not completely belittle players like this. This boils down to pretty much outright bullying of a brand new player, and that is not the townie BH I know.[/quote]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=261213¤tpage=All]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=261213¤tpage=All[/url]
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
- we've also talked about this before again, but one reason you're pretty good as town is that you make yourself look positively townie with your play. I don't give a shit if you got mislynched once, that's how you normally play town. Here your play is marked by put downs, sarcastic remarks, and very little positive input.
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If your'e saying "you've done a poor job of looking townie this game, so I think you're scum" that's reasonable. It's a normal read. If you're saying "you've done a poor job of looking townie this game, but that's not why I think you're scum-- I think you're scum because as town you have a meta of looking town" then that's unreasonable unless you actually draw comparison to my scum meta. Any read on me should be based on my play, yes, but if you're going to make a meta read call a horse a horse and make a meta read.
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
- your case on Z-Boson. This was going to be part of my 'quiz', but if we take a look at your two most recent town-games, Rock Band and Whose Line, your first cases are marked by extensive use of meta. X is scummy because of Y, and look at how he played in this game and this game and this game to try to prove your argument. In this game you made no effort to research Z-Boson's meta, and that's not what I expect of a town BH. In contrast, your first major case as SK in Emergency Mafia also failed to utilise any meta as a supporting argument. Same with Bureaucracy.
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So you're saying I have a scum meta of not using meta? Before Rock Band, I'm pretty sure I never used meta as town or scum. After my modkill in igrok's game, I did some serious thinking and have gradually been making changes to my play, including making more extensive use of meta. Just because I haven't rolled scum super recently doesn't mean you can just say "oh look blazinghand isn't using meta, therefore he is scum"
As a final note, I want to re-quote this:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2012 01:10 marvellosity wrote:
You are also aware of your scum meta, and we've talked about it before too. As such you're capable of making changes to your meta, or trying to. In other words, being more aggressive and what have you.[/quote]
You can't have it both ways. Either you're using my scum meta, or you're not using my scum meta and you're making a regular case. You can't say "Well, BH's play is nothing like his scum meta, BUT I still think I can make a meta case". I haven't played well this game-- make a case on that instead of wasting our time with non-meta meta reads
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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