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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 14 2012 23:19 GMT
#1061
On November 15 2012 08:18 debears wrote:
Hey S&B

When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall

What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote

Spread more shit on every other player. That'll save you 100%
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 14 2012 23:19 GMT
#1062
On November 15 2012 08:18 debears wrote:
Hey S&B

When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall

What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote

Do what i said or feel my wrath.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 14 2012 23:20 GMT
#1063
On November 15 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
debears is right, by the way.

Some of Hapa's pushing on him is fucking nonsense.

was that a tease?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 14 2012 23:21 GMT
#1064
Had some internet problems.. Luckily it was on control C. In reply to marvs other post:




On November 15 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 06:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:
On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:

Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.



i hate this. what's your read on him and why?


He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment.
I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all.
I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said?


I'm finding you kinda scummy all of a sudden actually.

"He can definitely be scum" is not a read, by the way. Anyone can definitely be scum.


Isn't it fucking obvious that I mean that to me he has a good chance of being scum, especially given what I've written on him?
10x better than your "I'm finding you kinda scummy" which adds shit to the thread.
If Hopeless is a 10, DP is a 7, go with that.
Try answering the question now? I phrased it very clearly and I find it important enough that I insist.




Anyways, Hopeless´s meta explanation makes sense, and that was my main issue with him. Right now I´d rather lynch DarthPunk. Gonna let marv finish to see if he will/will not change my mind.

##Unvote
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
November 14 2012 23:21 GMT
#1065
Hey guys, I'm back home. I'll reread the thread and move my vote, since hapa isn't getting lynched today.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 23:21 GMT
#1066
On November 15 2012 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
debears is right, by the way.

Some of Hapa's pushing on him is fucking nonsense.


this is true

like all that stuff about "not voting your top scumread"

that's only important when votes actually matter, i don't get this obsession people have with who voted who for what reason during the first six hours of the day
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
November 14 2012 23:22 GMT
#1067
Also, if I remember correctly, Marv, you had something you wanted to discuss with me. I'm all ears.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 14 2012 23:24 GMT
#1068
On my way home, back in an hour ish
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 14 2012 23:26 GMT
#1069
Marv - Town. Active, opinionative. Besides, it's marv

thrawn2112 - has ACME. Been afk. Null

Hapahauli - Scum. Terribad reasoning for his cases. Pushing someone making scumreads over people who aren't (which scumhunting is his number one thing in his book).

Blazinghand - I believe his jk claim for now. I'd like to see some more scumhunting though

strongandbig - Trolled early d1. A vet. Null leaning scummy. Also, hypocritical in his vote

DarthPunk - Same as thrawn. Null

Clarity_nl - Has disappeared lately. Liked his posting early though. Null leaning town

Hopeless1der - Scum. Look at my filter so my thoughts on his lecturing/lack of caring for town

iamperfection - Town. We had some serious mental connections after I realized I was wrong on his timing of his read switch on BH

Kickstart - No original contributions. Null leaning scummy

Crossfire99 - Modkill

Z-BosoN - has posted very little, but has huge posts. Null tell leaning town. You could say his huge posts are good because of content, but it makes it easier as scum imo to just post big posts that you can think out, instead of just reacting. He seems pretty reasonable
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 14 2012 23:26 GMT
#1070
On November 15 2012 08:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 08:18 debears wrote:
Hey S&B

When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall

What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote

Spread more shit on every other player. That'll save you 100%


I don't need saving. I'm not gettin lynched
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 23:27 GMT
#1071
Hi BH. I really just wanted to talk about your claim a little bit.

Given the legit concerns I raised earlier about the downsides of claiming Jailkeeper, plus the fact you're a good enough player to avert your lynch if you're town, I just wanted to know your thought process when you decided to claim.

I'd quite like to make a read on you because it will help with my Z-Boson read.

At the moment I think he is scum. Although I am struggling to make an excellent case out of it because so much of it comes down to tone.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
November 14 2012 23:28 GMT
#1072
The assumption that anyone is getting modkilled D1 when there are 4 people sitting on the replacement list is bad. Giving thrawn or DP null reads simply because they're in another game is also bad. If someone's lurking, give them a null for lurking if that's your take-- but don't consider the existence of another game as a mitigating factor for activity levels.

If SnB is vet then I've been playing great this game and Marv has good control of his temper.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 14 2012 23:28 GMT
#1073
I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying


Ok this bit is fair, however:

HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM.


This is complete bullshit. This coming from the guy who accused me of going after "easy" targets in iamperfection and you.

And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up

More lies


The voting is a big deal because I still don't see how the hell you arrived at Hopeless being your top scumread. Hell you started all this "OMG OMG HOPELESS SCUM" thing the second I called you out for not pushing him and pushing iamperfection instead.

Maybe at some point you'll actually respond to this instead of spouting your "bad assumption" nonsense about your "suspicion" on Hopeless:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=47#937

Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
November 14 2012 23:30 GMT
#1074
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 23:30 GMT
#1075
oh also i skimmed through hopelesses filter
the first half of it is mega terrible
like, there's a bunch of unimportant one-liners and then like his only big posts until he starts getting accused are about the "who knew when whether crossfire was a smurf" thing, which just doesn't matter so hard it hurts

but then later i like hopeless's responses quite a bit more

but then i actually read his list post and it contains gems like
"Hapa - town, largely due to connections between him and debears, and between him and kickstart. This read has severely influenced my current scumreads. "
town b/c he attacked your scumread, debears was attacked by your townread therefore he's scum

lolwut


"BH is trolly as fuck, but unlynchable today due to an uncountered JK claim. I haven't read into his meta, because there is no chance to push his lynch, even if I can make a convincing case. Despite this, I think the trolling is scummy, and I'll need to read the threads he's referenced during the night (assuming I'm not lynched)."

he claimed so he's gonna be hard to lynch today so why bother thinking about him

lolwut

"Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum."

yeah confusing people totally isn't in a scum's interest

lolwut


"Z-Bo - Town. I liked his pursuit of his case against BH and thought he brought up some legitimate points. Apparently they were so good BH had to claim to escape. "

lolwut

no other comments just lolwut

oh actually yes other comments - zboson is town because bh responded stupidly to his case?

"Strongandbig - Null-Town. Strange vt claim feels townslippy. However, Kenpachi rule shenanigans and insists on lynching BH for a while, despite blueclaim. Too strong of a scum motive to just let that slide, but I also think BH is scummy, so this read flips to Null-Scum if BH is in fact JK."

lolwut - is this, like, a reverse connection theory? like, if bh is telling the truth then I must be scum? i really don't think that makes sense


yeah so now i'm suddenly torn between wanting to test the kenpachi rule and hopeless's filter actually being terrible

I guess if I really really had to I might vote hopeless to push that past a darthpunk lynch, because the reasons for lynching darthpunk are actually the worst.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 14 2012 23:30 GMT
#1076
Sigh... please make it easy to respond to. I´m not scum and I´m pretty fed-up with having to defend myself every single game being town.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 23:31 GMT
#1077
On November 15 2012 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, I personally don't think ZB is scum right now. Earlier I did for the way he was trying to set up town cred with his voting pattern, but iamp correctly noted that ZB straightened up after his initial OMGUS on me. This could be due to scum thread coaching, I'll admit, but the aggression he displayed, however wrong-headed, is town to me.


wasn't what i asked dear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 23:32 GMT
#1078
On November 15 2012 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
The assumption that anyone is getting modkilled D1 when there are 4 people sitting on the replacement list is bad. Giving thrawn or DP null reads simply because they're in another game is also bad. If someone's lurking, give them a null for lurking if that's your take-- but don't consider the existence of another game as a mitigating factor for activity levels.

If SnB is vet then I've been playing great this game and Marv has good control of his temper.


sticks and stones bh
sticks and stones
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 14 2012 23:32 GMT
#1079
Uhhh Z-Boson huh? That's interesting. He kinda peaced out of the thread after dropping his Hopeless case.

Off the top of my head he is usually a bit more active in his town games and was a tad lurky in his scum game (can't draw conclusions from that though). I generally think his posts have been fewer in number but higher in quality. I'm inclined to think it's a stylistic change and not scummy given some of my previous conversations with him.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
November 14 2012 23:33 GMT
#1080
On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well.


I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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