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On November 15 2012 04:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:36 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:24 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:21 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:16 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote:Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. WOWOWOWOWOWOW
Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH.
2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point
3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons.
Honestly, I think Hapa and Hopeless are scum I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREADHe half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy 1Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum 2Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. 3If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong 1) So I'm going to give you townie points for being the first to jump on the easiest player to lynch in the game? Oh wait. 2) I'm not wrong. You're scum. 3) Rofl I have to use a meta read against you? GTFO. You really want a meta read? Your logic is terrible as scum. This is a prime example of it. I'm off to class, be back in a few hours Lynch debears. His recent posting says it all. Hey Hapa 1) I had a scumread on him before you started calling him an "easy player to lynch". You're full of shit. I saw him as scummy wayyyy early. 2) Yeah you must be. Cuz you refuse to show me one. Which means you don't have anything to back you up besides your lazy assumption of iamp being my top scumread 3) My logic is terrible? YOU'RE BETRAYING YOUR OWN RULES OF SCUMHUNTING, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RULE
This is yet another example of the rediculous shit that debears is posting. Absolutely none of this makes sense.
1) He's completely ignoring the question. Hopeless has a reputation of being an easy mislynch. Just because you jumped on him early and I didn't let you know BEFORE doesn't make it any less scummy
2) Debears has been screaming that my "assumption" is wrong when I clearly outlined my case and he NEVER addressed it!
3) I'm not betraying my rules - he's desperate to shove words into my mouth. Instead of analyzing my case, he picked my "overkill" point (which I have made in some of my other TOWN games btw, like Rockband Mini) and is obsessed with it. He still has not addressed WHY my assumption is bad, and has been screaming that I'm scum for god knows why.
It is no coincidence that the second he became one of the vote candidates, he immediately started tunneling Hopeless (lynch-bait) and myself (his attacker). It's the best way not to reveal information to the thread when you're scared of getting lynched if you're scum.
As for Hopeless, I believe he's town due to these debears shenanigans. Also, I believe that Hopeless is capable of doing what he's doing (lurking) as town. I don't believe for a second that debears's ridiculous defenses can come from town debears.
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On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears
Please elaborate.
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Votecount:
debears (4): Hapahauli, Hopeless1der, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (3): debears, Z-BosoN, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): Blazinghand
Not voting (2): Crossfire99, DarthPunk
Currently, debears is set to be lynched! 4 hours remaining in day 1.
Please PM any of your resident votecount bitches (or mighty master Keir) if your vote is counted incorrectly.
Remember: If you don't vote at all, the divine wrath of the mod will strike you.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +debears (4): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (3): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity, Z-BosoN, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart, Blazinghand
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (0): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (2): Crossfire99, DarthPunk
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One of these games, I'll stop lurking. Still here, still working on list post.
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On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Please elaborate.
i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is
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On November 15 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears Please elaborate. i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is
Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today?
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bh is a bad lynch because he's got an uncontested claim and because it's bh
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Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there
hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1?
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On November 15 2012 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:On November 15 2012 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 15 2012 06:59 strongandbig wrote:
##unvote
##vote: debears Please elaborate. i think he's more likely to be scum than hopeless is Does this mean you agree that BH is a bad lynch now, or you simply realized he won't get lynched today?
the latter
i do not agree that bh is a bad lynch now
among other reasons, if we just say "we won't lynch claimed blues on day 1" then it becomes optimal play for everyone who would be otherwise lynched to just claim a blue role
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On November 15 2012 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
bh is a bad lynch because he's got an uncontested claim and because it's bh
You're still on darth, any thoughts of switching? If so, to whom?
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On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there
hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1?
You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it.
Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again.
Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.
As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).
Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates.
Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=47#937
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On November 15 2012 06:29 Kickstart wrote:
I'm here and been following the thread. All the cases against hopeless have been pretty solid and convincing so far and he has yet to give a good response, added to the fact that I already had an anti-town read on him before I think he is a good D1 lynch candidate. Hapa I feel has given several good and well reasoned posts recently spelling out his views on everyone, and just generally being pro-town. That being said,
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der
On November 15 2012 06:45 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Kickstart, what are your feelings on debears? I don't have a scum read on debears like some others seem to have, so I don't feel comfortable casting a vote his way. Hapas case against him is unconvincing to me and debears' defence of his posts is how I felt about them to begin with. I also don't think him not mentioning BHs claim is a read one way or the other. Looking through the thread I think debears has made good reads and been on the right side of several issues thus far especially the snb wagon early on.
I've heard "unconvincing" this and "unconvincing" that but never any rationale about why you don't agree with me on debears. You have to do more than tell me you don't agree - why don't you agree?
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debars if you could get back in here asap it would be greatly appreciated.
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The following are a list of people who, if lynched, would be heavily motivated by activity:
Me - Town
Debears - Scum
Thrawn - Still alive in Acme. Also drastically inactive. His excuse is getting too high. Checks out. Null
DarthPunk - His play doesn't fit any Mafia meta at all (Mafia = the game itself, not the alignment). Also still alive in Acme. Checks out. Null
Kickstarter - First game. Calls Hapa scummy, then BH and Hapa as scumbuddies. He goes on to suggest that flipping one is the same as flipping the other+ Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 12:27 Kickstart wrote:I already said how I view it - him pressuring and questioning people, I don't feel that he needs to change his vote to the person he is pressuring / trying to get a read on? Would it help? Maybe. Is it a scum tell that he didn't? Not to me. and I see we are quickly posting back and forth so I will just reiterate on: Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:07 Kickstart wrote:
Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...). Your logic right now: "I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk" "I still don't like his posting before or after the claim " "I would love to flip him just to see" ...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player. Yeah ok. That totally makes sense. Again, I am reading both you and BH as scummy. I was going to vote him and if he flipped red auto vote you, but now that he jk claimed I am just as content to do the opposite - vote you and if you flip red vote him. And the above should do fine in response to BHs snarky comment. My voting has nothing to do with being a man or not, you are overusing that line. I am keeping my vote on Hapa for now  , and if he does get lynched and flips red, I will gladly vote for you immediatly.
He goes on to vote me, but just lumps himself into the 'other cases on me'. I realize it may be an effort to consolidate, but he has offered nothing other than his vote and I find that scummy. In addition, he feels that Hapa has redeemed himself, and BH can't be lynched today due to his claim. However, there is no discussion from him regarding the two (current) lynch candidates. Again, I find this scummy. I had to pull the information from him, instead of him offering it up freely. Pot, Kettle, Black, but its no less true.
Crossfire - has posted very little. My read on him is that he and BH are not both scum. All his posts have related to BH in some way so far, and seem sincere in that he cannot understand the need to claim. I'm null on him, with the caveat that if BH flips scum, he's most likely town.
Hapa - town, largely due to connections between him and debears, and between him and kickstart. This read has severely influenced my current scumreads.
BH is trolly as fuck, but unlynchable today due to an uncountered JK claim. I haven't read into his meta, because there is no chance to push his lynch, even if I can make a convincing case. Despite this, I think the trolling is scummy, and I'll need to read the threads he's referenced during the night (assuming I'm not lynched).
Marv - Town. Huge filter but its not really spammy. I get the feeling he cares, is active and is helping to organize town. Even if hes not town, which I think he is, I'd want to watch him sit idle as down destroys itself before I feel the need to vote him. This read is based on meta from games I played with marv: Mad Men (Town-Marv), and Death Note (Scum-Marv).
iamperfection - Null. I've commented on this already. I'm sad that he doesn't want to lynch debears and sadder that it means he'll probably vote me, but I don't have scum alarms going off.
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though.
Z-Bo - Town. I liked his pursuit of his case against BH and thought he brought up some legitimate points. Apparently they were so good BH had to claim to escape. Also, tried to get a meta read on me, concludes I'm scum. Slight contradictions from his earlier stance that I was similar to the game he meta'd me with, and I know he's wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. His conclusions are true and he looks like he's legitimately trying to catch scum.
Strongandbig - Null-Town. Strange vt claim feels townslippy. However, Kenpachi rule shenanigans and insists on lynching BH for a while, despite blueclaim. Too strong of a scum motive to just let that slide, but I also think BH is scummy, so this read flips to Null-Scum if BH is in fact JK.
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EBWOP: Just remove that first line, I was trying to categorize my reads and said fuck it half way through.
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ya i dont want to lynch hopeless. Although there is some silly association stuff that i dont personally like.
But at least he is doing what you should if your town and under large pressure near lynch time.
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Thanks hopeless for posting your thoughts.
On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though.
Yeah I've been misspeaking (typing) a lot, and it's quite a pain every time someone points it out. But if it gives people a town read of me, great! To answer your question of where I stand:
On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
I'd like to change this a bit though. Based solely on the fact that hopeless has been posting reads and answering questions clearly and concisely now. Whereas debears is nowhere to be found, his defense is lackluster and his case on hapa seems OMGUS.
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On November 15 2012 07:47 iamperfection wrote:
ya i dont want to lynch hopeless. Although there is some silly association stuff that i dont personally like.
But at least he is doing what you should if your town and under large pressure near lynch time.
Is DP still your top scumread? What makes him scummier than debears at this point? It seems you largely agree with me on him but find DP scummier instead.
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ebwop I am waiting on thoughts from thrawn atm before changing my vote, but if I were to change it it would go to debears, currently.
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