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Blazinghand
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On November 15 2012 03:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
oh yeah i mean ive played like poop im just saying im playing to my town meta not my scum meta stop making pointless one-liner posts from your phone, i don't want them. there was a whole bunch of stuff i said and you said you don't always use meta. this is not helpful. Address the rest of it too when you're home. Stop saying which meta you're playing to.
ill stop defending meta claims when people stop using it against me. dealing with specific meta claims is easy to do from the phone because i am intimately familiar with my own meta so might as well do it sooner rather than later right also if there's relevant meta in my defense im gonna talk about it and if you dont like the truth then too bad
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On November 15 2012 03:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:24 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:21 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 03:16 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote:Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. WOWOWOWOWOWOW
Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH.
2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point
3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons.
Honestly, I think Hapa and Hopeless are scum I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREADHe half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy 1Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum 2Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. 3If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong 1) So I'm going to give you townie points for being the first to jump on the easiest player to lynch in the game? Oh wait. 2) I'm not wrong. You're scum. 3) Rofl I have to use a meta read against you? GTFO. You really want a meta read? Your logic is terrible as scum. This is a prime example of it. I'm off to class, be back in a few hours Lynch debears. His recent posting says it all.
Hey Hapa
1) I had a scumread on him before you started calling him an "easy player to lynch". You're full of shit. I saw him as scummy wayyyy early.
2) Yeah you must be. Cuz you refuse to show me one. Which means you don't have anything to back you up besides your lazy assumption of iamp being my top scumread
3) My logic is terrible?
YOU'RE BETRAYING YOUR OWN RULES OF SCUMHUNTING, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RULE
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On November 15 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:31 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:
oh yeah i mean ive played like poop im just saying im playing to my town meta not my scum meta stop making pointless one-liner posts from your phone, i don't want them. there was a whole bunch of stuff i said and you said you don't always use meta. this is not helpful. Address the rest of it too when you're home. Stop saying which meta you're playing to. ill stop defending meta claims when people stop using it against me. dealing with specific meta claims is easy to do from the phone because i am intimately familiar with my own meta so might as well do it sooner rather than later right also if there's relevant meta in my defense im gonna talk about it and if you dont like the truth then too bad
you didn't give me the truth, you answered one fucking tiny part of my post.
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On November 15 2012 03:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote:AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. There are some reasons not to lynch BH today. In any setup with 3+ blues, scum will have a roleblocker. If BH is lying, scum will have to withold all of their roleblocks. This makes the claim inherently a poor scum play. There may yet be another Jailkeeper (or perhaps, the only jailkeeper) who doesn't want to claim, but can 'prove' their existence when a roleblock appears tonight (hopefully on me, yo  ). Or 2 jailkeepers is possible (although it would require JJJ which is pretty unlikely). I've seen a fucking appalling day 1 jailkeeper claim before on a day 1. VE did it in... er... LIII? The claim made no sense, and it was fucking stupid. We lynched him. He flipped jailkeeper. So... ugh.
yeah but that's kind of VE's "thing"
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Votecount:
DarthPunk (3): Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, iamperfection
debears (3): Hapahauli, Hopeless1der, marvellosity
Hopeless1der (1): debears
Hapahauli (2): Kickstart, Blazinghand
Blazinghand (1): strongandbig
Not voting (3): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Z-BosoN
Currently, DarthPunk is set to be lynched! 6 hours remaining in Day 1.
Please PM any of your resident votecount bitches (or mighty master Keir) if your vote is counted incorrectly.
Remember: If you don't vote at all, the divine wrath of the mod will strike you.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +DarthPunk (3): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
debears (3): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder, marvellosity
Hapahauli (2): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart, Blazinghand
Hopeless1der (1): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (0): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (3): Crossfire99, DarthPunk, Z-BosoN
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I'm down to lynching hopeless1der.
No comment on BH
I find this point, mentioned before, to be quite good. He not only didn't mention BH's claim, but he attacked someone for not mentioning it. It sounds very contrived and doesn't seem to have strong town motivation at all.
Meta
What seals the deal for me is his meta from the last game I played with him, LVII. From the start, his game has been very different. Observe one of his entrance posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=21#402
Note that he is aggressive and makes a case right off the bat against forumite. BAM. Vote. Doesn't give a shit. Is assertive, aggressive.
What of this game? Look at his only post that comes close to being significant.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=22#438
Makes a big post, doesn't conclude shit. Seems just like the ordinary "look at me scumhunting". In this game he shows a weaker, less assertive version of him in LVII. He has a bunch of posts going after debears, and he's not going anywhere with it..
He only votes debears when debears is already a viable candidate, has two votes on him. Here is his voting post:
On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:54 debears wrote:
For all you who think me being afk is a scumtell, which you guys are retarded if you do
Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:
you can't active lurk in a game that's less than 2 hours old, numbnuts.
If anyone's 'active lurking' it's me. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Don't shut people down who are obviously trying their best to scum hunt and contribute. You are only going to discourage those things. Or is that what you want? I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
Hopeless, I think you're making too much of that. The bit you bold says "was" - past tense, that was his stance previously (when he'd missed my Crossfire post).
Like debears said just now there's not a lot to say about Crossfire otherwise, you can't really have a stance on someone who hasn't posted yet.
The whole issue is overblown and should be dropped. If only because it's a big distraction to debears, who has to keep talking about it, and it's not helping anyone And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debearsAm I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim?
Basically votes on debears for not pushing his top scum read. Doesn't add any of the the other arguments he used here.
That does not sound like anyone who's scum hunting. He says his vote is OMGUS, and states ONE reason for pursuing debears. He spends a long time focusing on debears but never actually voting. This, of course, much unlike his own play in LVII. Look at how he treats his cases in LVII, and how greatly it contrasts with his play this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=51#1015
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=51#1013
He's using every single argument he had already made, and is being a LOT more insistent and convincing than that. I'm not the best judge of meta, but that is in too great a contrast with his play on this game, in my opinion.
Why not debears?
I've done some thinking on this and I'm not sure he's scum. Hapa's main argument of not pushing his scumreads are decent, but I've mislynched people on that count before. Judging by his play, and comparing that to his last game as scum, I don't see it being too similar.
When he was scum, his posts were much longer. In day one, he spent a lot of time writing out big cases and looked much townier (lol, weird, but true). I can see him sheeping on iamp with that kind of mentality, based on such a weak argument. I think scum debears would rather make his own case on someone and be happy with it.
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
Conclusion
I find hopeless' contrast in meta much worse in this game. He's being useless and much less present than in LVII. Read his filter there, read it here, and see if you come to the same conclusion I did. He doesn't look like he's trying to get debears lynched. Especially how much effort he put on in LVII.
##Vote Hopeless1der
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Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
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On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
I said the opposite regarding dp ill be back in a few more hours
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I assume you mean this post.
On November 15 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
i thought we had come to terms that bh claim made little sense from a scum perspective? It was oddly timed and its not like he was in real pressure to die it does not feel like a scum fake claim to me.
I know darthpunk is capable of so much more until he gives me something more than his gut or his whining my vote will not change. I welcome him to do so because if he is town i want him in the game.
as for hopeless i dont feel very strong about him one way or another he has been lurking and i dont think what you have there marv is a super solid aha found scum moment but i could get behind it if dp comes back with something good and hopeless continues to lurk i can get behind it.
Does this mean that your vote isn't a lynchvote, but instead a vote to pressure him?
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On November 15 2012 05:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Just got back and caught up. A lot happened. Iamp claimed he's staying on Darth, how about you thrawn?
Because if you plan on moving I'll have to make a decision between debears and.... Hopeless?
I don't like debears' reaction to accusations at all, very emotional with not much weight or facts behind it.
When he got accused of being scum D1 in XXX he addressed the points and moved on to scumhunt.
That said I don't think that makes him scum and the cases against him didn't convince me.
So hopeless. Well there definitely is nothing townie about him, I believe he's the better lynch candidate.
I still want my Darth lynch though, so Thrawn, whadya say?
Hopeless had been around and following the thread and he's still useless as town so far.
Darthpjnk promises returns tomorrow and he is in another game, along with Thrawn
Why dp?
The only reason I could say dp is that he's not active and he bitched about not wanting to make reads. However he has posted reads on multiple players.
What has hopeless done? A scumread on me on non original reasoning.
Mario mafia lynch campaign 2012
Lynch hopeless!
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On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?
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On November 15 2012 05:54 debears wrote:
Why dp?
The only reason I could say dp is that he's not active and he bitched about not wanting to make reads. However he has posted reads on multiple players.
is this post what you're talking about? it's a list of town reads and a very weak clarity scum read. I'm waiting on this:
On November 15 2012 01:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Night all. GOing to be useful when i wake up I promise.
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On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
i hate this. what's your read on him and why?
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Yeah it is thrawn
I'm willing to wait for more. I like dps town play. Why lynch over hopeless when dp actually has a decent excuse and he promises more?
If dp doesnt deliver, we lynch him tomorrow. If he does, we reevaluate him.
Hopeless has no excuse like him. Hopeless has failed to make a read besides on me
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On November 15 2012 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:
You know I could make some half arse case and tunnel some bad townie really easily and then probably not get lynched right?
Now why am I not doing that? Because, as I have said. I have not had the time required to get reads that I am convinced are valuable to the thread.
I don;t want to just fake shit to keep myself alive.
Is that scummy or townie.
I never answered this, so I will now, it's scummy. You don't want to keep yourself alive as town?
Stupid. I retort:
"You don't want to keep yourself alive as scum?"
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That's my point. He's implying it means he's town. It doesn't.
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ebwop The thing that's scummy is that post.
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Blazing, when you home? I wanna talk to you, and not in the "I want to shout at you for being a douche" way, but a "I want to talk to you about some things" way.
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On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
i hate this. what's your read on him and why?
He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment.
I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all.
I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said?
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On November 15 2012 06:13 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:On November 15 2012 05:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
Why not DarthPunk?
He hasn't posted much. I find him a good lynch, nevertheless. He is referring himself as a mislynch, YET AGAIN. And I've already told him he loves doing that as scum. I have no idea why he's doing it, but I'm not going to use that as a tell. I don't like how bitchy he is being, focusing most of his time in crying and whining instead of scumhunting. I'm interested to see how he goes in day two though.
i hate this. what's your read on him and why? He can definitely be scum. The reasoning is above. I'd rather lynch Hopeless. Perhaps instead of "Why not DP?" just read "DP" and interpret that as a secondary assessment. I'd rather lynch Hopeless though, my post says it all. I find it interesting how you hated my bit on DP, instead of my bit on debears, your main lynch candidate. Is there anything else you want to add while you are at it? Do you agree with what I said?
I'm finding you kinda scummy all of a sudden actually.
"He can definitely be scum" is not a read, by the way. Anyone can definitely be scum.
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