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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote: AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. That's cool. Second scum read for no reason. Good scumhunting. Here's my problem with lynching BH today. Why the fuck would the scum risk a teammate on a jk claim, out of all claims this early d1? 1) They have no/little power roles so they don't believe there are many blues this games. Even that is a retarded assumption because the roles on one side don't necessarily affect the roles on another. a. They are a weak scumteam and believe they can't win by pure ability b. They feel like fucking around with a fakeclaim c. They wanted to out the jk/rb day1 d. BH felt honestly at threat even though he has 2 teammates that can help him e. They want to give town plenty of time to counterclaim Those three reasons are dogshit reasons to do it. I see number one as most plausible 2)There is no 2 for mafia. cuz nothing else makes sense Why would town BH claim so early? 1) He's being dumb 2) He doesn't feel like fighting off a lynch 3) He can help eliminate a lynch option day 1 when he knows he fucked up Both views are retarded. The mafia view requires WAY more assumptions. Ockham's razor brah | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:10 Hapahauli wrote: Oh debears is claiming scum. Cool. Cool Hapa give a meta read on me man. I wanna see what you can make up brah so I can easily refute it | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
WOWOWOWOWOWOW Hapa is going after someone "scumhunting to hard' instead of not scumhunting, despite his list of rules. What's the #1 thing you look for Hapa? OH YEAH SCUMHUNTING DOH. 2) I pointed out 5 other players because it makes no sense for you to attack me for "scumhunting too hard" when we have 5 lurker-doodles who aren't contributing, at least up to that point 3) Check my meta on why i'm questioning you. I question people who vote me for dogshit reasons. Honestly, I think Hapa and Hopeless are scum I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREAD He half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
As for "buddying" BH - how the hell is that scummy, considering he's the claimed, un-counterclaimed JK. I really, really would love to know what you're on BH, and I"d love to have some | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 14 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: I'm in school on weekdays - it's impossible for me to be more "present" than I currently am. As for BH, I DID comment on him: He claimed shortly thereafter, so it was pointless for me to comment more. On to the rest of your stuff: Your Town Reads: Agree on clarity and iamperfection. Clarity seems much more engaged this game than his Newbie XXX game. Iamperfection for reasons previously stated. Disagree on marv. I don't think he's done anything alignment indicative. He's definitely capable of doing this as scum, even though he played a more dispirited game last game. Completely null on him. Your Null Reads: I'm putting SnB into the town category (again POSSIBLY the SK, but I don't want to speculate too much). His play so far is such a far departure from his scumplay. Crossfire is null (duh) I'm getting more scum vibes from Thrawn. He's made one pretty coherent post and just peaced out. He could be afk for RL issues or something, but given that he's never played a scumgame (to my knowledge) and that we have a sudden deviation in his play, the connection is there. Your Scumreads Disagree with me obv, I'm town dawg As for debears, he was one of the players willing to follow me on iamperfection, and he made one of those "overkill"/"overexplained" cases when voting him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440¤tpage=29#575 It reads as really artificial and a way to cover his bases. Agreed here. I'm firmly null on DarthPunk. Hopeless is lurky, but that's normal regardless of alignment for him (null as well). Where's that meta read bro? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:13 Hapahauli wrote: Geezus christ you actually buy that shit BH? Good lord you're better that. I'm going after debears because he's NOT scum hunting. HE IS NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUMREAD He half-assed pushed Hopeless, put his vote on him, then tunneled the hell out of iamperfection without ever making a commitment. Where in the fuck do I even mention "scumhunting too hard?" That isn't the damn premise of my case. You're deflectionary, your voting makes no sense, and now you're voting for your attacker + lynch-bait. Die scum. The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
He's outwardly calling me scum, and not voting for me. AGAIN. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote: AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. There are some reasons not to lynch BH today. In any setup with 3+ blues, scum will have a roleblocker. If BH is lying, scum will have to withold all of their roleblocks. This makes the claim inherently a poor scum play. There may yet be another Jailkeeper (or perhaps, the only jailkeeper) who doesn't want to claim, but can 'prove' their existence when a roleblock appears tonight (hopefully on me, yo  ). Or 2 jailkeepers is possible (although it would require JJJ which is pretty unlikely).I've seen a fucking appalling day 1 jailkeeper claim before on a day 1. VE did it in... er... LIII? The claim made no sense, and it was fucking stupid. We lynched him. He flipped jailkeeper. So... ugh. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:04 debears wrote: But seriously consider Hopeless. Cuz honestly I see them both likely scum. At least Hapa is a strong town player and he's active. He'll have more time to slip Hey Hapa read scum | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:08 Blazinghand wrote: marv although i didnt use meta in my case on ZB i dont think thats a legit meta read of me cause the usage or none usage of one tool which i only started using in the past month it is only one part of a tool box and the rest of it? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:16 debears wrote: The premise of your case is that you ASSUME that iamp was my top scumread when my top scumread was afk. Why wouldn't I fucking push someone else while he's all afk? Hapa's way better than making a case off bad assumptions It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:19 Hapahauli wrote: It's not an assumption. I outline really clearly why that's not the case. You half-assed tunneled Hopeless, softballed him questions, and somehow are calling him your top scumread. You tunneled the motherfuck out of iamperfection and explicitly stated you saw no town motivation in his actions. Yeah that's fucking town debears right there. Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:21 debears wrote: Yeah it is. lecturing brah is something I hate as town. Look at my last game ffs. your meta reads off on me. Or you don't have one. Idk which What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:23 Hapahauli wrote: What is with this meta read shit? None of this has to do with meta. All of this has to do with you not being able to keep your story straight. Hell your two scumreads right now are a) the person attacking you and b) the top lynch-bait in the game. You made these two reads the second traction started forming on your lynch. Optimal scum strategy in this situation. Coincidence? Naw. Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote: oh yeah i mean ive played like poop im just saying im playing to my town meta not my scum meta stop making pointless one-liner posts from your phone, i don't want them. there was a whole bunch of stuff i said and you said you don't always use meta. this is not helpful. Address the rest of it too when you're home. Stop saying which meta you're playing to. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:24 debears wrote: Hey guess who was first on hopeless <<<<<<This guy 1 Second, I find your reasons dogshit. You're a good town player. You aren't showing it right now. So I think you're scum 2 Hapa, you like using meta in your reads, yet you don't want to with me. What gives? Make a meta case that proves your point. 3 If you keep saying no, then that means you can't and you're wrong 1) So I'm going to give you townie points for being the first to jump on the easiest player to lynch in the game? Oh wait. 2) I'm not wrong. You're scum. 3) Rofl I have to use a meta read against you? GTFO. You really want a meta read? Your logic is terrible as scum. This is a prime example of it. I'm off to class, be back in a few hours Lynch debears. His recent posting says it all. | ||
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