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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 14 2012 22:54 GMT
#1041
On November 15 2012 07:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:

debears (4): Hapahauli, Hopeless1der, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (3): debears, Z-BosoN, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): Blazinghand


Not voting (2): Crossfire99, DarthPunk


Currently, debears is set to be lynched! 4 hours remaining in day 1.
Please PM any of your resident votecount bitches (or mighty master Keir) if your vote is counted incorrectly.

Remember: If you don't vote at all, the divine wrath of the mod will strike you.

Full version:

+ Show Spoiler +
debears (4): Z-Boson, strongandbig, Hapahauli, Hopeless1nder, marvellosity, strongandbig
DarthPunk (3): Hapahauli Hapahauli, Clarity_nl, thrawn2112, Blazinghand, iamperfection
Hopeless1der (3): debears, marvellosity, marvellosity, Z-BosoN, Kickstart
Hapahauli (1): iamperfection, strongandbig. Kickstart, Blazinghand
Blazinghand (0): iamperfection, Z-BosoN, marvellosity, iamperfection, strongandbig
iamperfection (0): Hapahauli, Bloatinghand
Z-BosoN (0): Blazinghand, iamperfection, Blazinghand
thrawn2112 (0): Hapahauli
strongandbig (0): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, DarthPunk
Clarity_nl (0): DarthPunk
marvellosity (0): debears


Not voting (2): Crossfire99, DarthPunk


Currently ~3 hours to deadline. Also, heavy modkill implications. Cross and DP, votes plox.




On November 15 2012 07:47 iamperfection wrote:
ya i dont want to lynch hopeless. Although there is some silly association stuff that i dont personally like.

But at least he is doing what you should if your town and under large pressure near lynch time.

I would never pursue a lynch based on association without flips to support. These suspicions (I'm guessing the Hapa-debears-kickstart ones) are supplementary and were shaped around my strongest scumread, which is debears. If debears flips red, I'm not going to just autolynch kickstart, but I will point back to my read and pressure him for scumhunting because of my read. Similarly, it doesn't confirm Hapa as town, but it would be a strong indicator to me.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 14 2012 22:55 GMT
#1042
On November 15 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
bh is a bad lynch because he's got an uncontested claim and because it's bh


You're still on darth, any thoughts of switching? If so, to whom?


i don't like the debears lynch. the things that are said about him, i don;t find them to be scummy. he's getting voted because he's got a vote on one person while tunneling another? also i like his level of participation. i'm too much a coward to lynch a vet on d1 unless there's some huge scumslip, which there wasn't. don't like lynching bh/hapa d1. i still want to lynch darth, he's done nothing to ease my suspicions since i first voted him. the biggest contribution he;s made lately was a giant list of town reads with no case on anyone
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#1043
ya i dont want to lynch hopeless. Although there is some silly association stuff that i dont personally like.

But at least he is doing what you should if your town and under large pressure near lynch time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#1044
On November 15 2012 07:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:47 iamperfection wrote:
ya i dont want to lynch hopeless. Although there is some silly association stuff that i dont personally like.

But at least he is doing what you should if your town and under large pressure near lynch time.


Is DP still your top scumread? What makes him scummier than debears at this point? It seems you largely agree with me on him but find DP scummier instead.

dp still hasn't done anything. my vote will stay there until he does. I know he is capable of contributing. If he dosent he is scum in my book
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#1045
On November 15 2012 07:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 15 2012 07:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
bh is a bad lynch because he's got an uncontested claim and because it's bh


You're still on darth, any thoughts of switching? If so, to whom?


i don't like the debears lynch. the things that are said about him, i don;t find them to be scummy. he's getting voted because he's got a vote on one person while tunneling another? also i like his level of participation. i'm too much a coward to lynch a vet on d1 unless there's some huge scumslip, which there wasn't. don't like lynching bh/hapa d1. i still want to lynch darth, he's done nothing to ease my suspicions since i first voted him. the biggest contribution he;s made lately was a giant list of town reads with no case on anyone


I agree, but it's starting to look less likely that we can get him lynched today, and I don't think sitting on a vote that doesn't consolidate is useful. So if not debears does that mean Hopeless would be your vote?
You mention the vets, does that mean you have a possible scumread on one of them?

I'm not moving from Darth just yet and I urge everyone to go over his filter, particularly after I call him out and he stops posting altogether other than apologies or contempt.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 23:03 GMT
#1046
that double post i just had a couple of mins ago is tl's fault
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 23:04 GMT
#1047
##unvote

I wanna lynch someone else. Case incoming once I get the pieces all together.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 23:05 GMT
#1048
Wow, 3 hours from deadline?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 23:06 GMT
#1049
On November 15 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote

I wanna lynch someone else. Case incoming once I get the pieces all together.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 23:06 GMT
#1050
On November 15 2012 08:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Wow, 3 hours from deadline?

thats a really long time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 23:07 GMT
#1051
3 hours is plenty.

And I'm motherfucking marvellosity, baby.

/hubris
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 14 2012 23:07 GMT
#1052
Ehhhh, people always think that. Then something unexpected happens and people go apeshit.
Maybe that's just my impression because of newbie games though. My last game as scum I could easily hide in last minute chaos.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 23:12 GMT
#1053
On November 15 2012 08:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ehhhh, people always think that. Then something unexpected happens and people go apeshit.
Maybe that's just my impression because of newbie games though. My last game as scum I could easily hide in last minute chaos.

you do realize that me marv and hapa are in this game right shenanigans are almost guaranteed.

Even if hapa drops rhetoric in his coaching that its bad he in fact loves it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 14 2012 23:15 GMT
#1054
On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there


hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1?


You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it.

Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again.

Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.

As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).

Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates.


Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=47#937


Hapa you're so full of it.

I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying

HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM.

And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up

More lies
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#1055
On November 13 2012 09:46 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.


Eh. If it's down to lylo we'll need to take a strong look at it if he's alive. Other than that, nothing much to talk about with the claim



On November 13 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello, sirs.
First of all I´d like to claim miller.
There are two very viable options now, regarding my alignment on this game.

I am fakeclaiming as mafia.
I am in fact a miller.

My claim here would be fairly risky as scum, and as town it makes more sense to claim so as to not waste detective checks on me, but of course this is WIFOM. I hope to show my alignment in this game through brilliant, stellar townie play, and hope town uses this factor and this factor alone when scouting my alignment.
The only thing I hope to achieve with this claim is to not be checked by an eventual cop, as that check will be guaranteed to turn red.

That being said, I look forward to playing this game. Lot's of familiar faces around, and I am curious to hear more from people I haven't played yet.

Regarding DarthPunk, don't worry, if he's scum, I'll figure it out


HI ZB <3.

Yeah ZB will figure me out If I am scum, and Vice Versa. Hapa will figure marv out and marv will figure everyone out.

GG scummers


But what if me, ZB, and marv are all scum o_O




Then Blazinghand, Debears and I will rip you all a new arsehole. <3


Oh noes! Well fortunately I'm not scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think.+ Show Spoiler +
*Bowzer laugh*+ Show Spoiler +
jk I'm town


On November 13 2012 09:55 iamperfection wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 09:45 iamperfection wrote:
i guess theirs no reason not to believe zbos right? has to be to risky to do if he was scum right.


Woah woah hold-up. I'm not liking how you're trusting this claim right away.

Claiming miller is a pretty much a riskless play here. We don't know how many millers are in the setup, and as far as I'm concerned, the claim is null until Z-Bo proves otherwise.

its what i think so whatever. Zbos scum is gone put himself out there like that i dont think so.


It's not "so whatever" - I'm pretty skeptical how you're so willing to think Z-Bo is town off what looks to me like a completely null action.


Hapa, last time you did that little spoiler trick (GsL III), you were the role that you put in the spoiler.

Here, you put bowser. Now why would you put bowser out of all the scum roles? It seems to me like you were actively thinking of bowser, which you shouldn't be if you are town. I would expect you to put a town role in that spoiler



On November 13 2012 10:12 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum

but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one


^^^^^^claim


The VT claim is significant why exactly?


Why would someone claim vt like that so early? It's quite weird



On November 13 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
What do you guys think of Clarity's early play?

It's very similar to his scum play imo.

Saying neutral stuff. Then, the vote on S&B.

He's coming in and out of the thread, ie active lurking


so i scrolled through dabears filter
there's just a whole lot of meaningless junk there, and some really terrible posts

but why is everyone voting for hopeless? let me read his filter as well
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#1056
On November 15 2012 08:15 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there


hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1?


You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it.

Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again.

Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.

As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).

Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates.


Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=47#937


Hapa you're so full of it.

I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying

HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM.

And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up

More lies

do what hopeless did on the last page plz.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
November 14 2012 23:18 GMT
#1057
marv make your case either (A) good or (B) on BH or (C) both of those

there's so much terrible in this game
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 14 2012 23:18 GMT
#1058
Hey S&B

When were those posts? Early D1 if I recall

What have you posted that's so great? You trolled in the beginning. Now you're being hypocritical in your vote
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 14 2012 23:18 GMT
#1059
debears is right, by the way.

Some of Hapa's pushing on him is fucking nonsense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 14 2012 23:19 GMT
#1060
On November 15 2012 08:17 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 08:15 debears wrote:
On November 15 2012 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 15 2012 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Debars-Post your thought on every person in the game theres a good chance that your going to be lynched so no reason to not put your thoughts out there


hapa before i put a ton of effort looking through you more closely what do you make of both me and bh weighing in positively on suspicions of you? You have not had as much thread presence that you usually have in my view and you said before that debars voting you was him claiming scum which i dont really buy and i thought it was really un hapa like for day 1?


You were suspicious of me? Since when? I obviously disagree with your suspicions, but I don't think you have sinister motives behind it.

Regarding BH - I have no idea what to make of it. On the one hand, I think his JK claim is completely non-sensical from a scum perspective. On the other hand, it's questionable from a town perspective as well, and if he's town, he's playing by far the worst game I've ever seen him play. His vote on me for "buddying" is just absolutely terrible. But I still just can't see him claiming JK as scum in his position. I think the JK claim makes him town, but every one of his actions makes me question it again and again.

Regarding "presence" - I am really present when I'm around my computer, so I really don't know where you're getting this from. I'm in school in the mornings/afternoons and can't post much (weekdays only). At night though (5pm to 12pm) is when I get most of my posting done in all of my games.

As for "debears claiming scum" - I'm very adamant about this. Look at his two main suspicions: an easy mislynch candidate, and his attacker (myself). Not to mention that his vote on me is a PURE OMGUS. This is the best way for scum not to give any information when they die (marv did this in GSL III, attacking me and drazak).

Also, he only got suspicious of me and Hopeless the second he came under serious suspicion and became one of the leading candidates.


Lastly, just read over my cases. His defenses are diversionary and deflectionary, which I described in detail here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=47#937


Hapa you're so full of it.

I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying

HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM.

And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up

More lies

do what hopeless did on the last page plz.


Fine. Gimme a sec
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