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On August 10 2010 05:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:35 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. Incorrect. Re read the tracker role. The problem is that Chez said he Tracked you though>
Why make the assumption of only one?
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On August 10 2010 05:43 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On August 10 2010 05:35 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. Incorrect. Re read the tracker role. The problem is that Chez said he Tracked you though> Why make the assumption of only one?
Oh noes!! Now they know the truth!!
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On August 10 2010 05:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I hate BC
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A past revealed makes the present clouds partially disperse.
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On August 10 2010 05:51 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:43 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On August 10 2010 05:35 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:
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Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. Incorrect. Re read the tracker role. The problem is that Chez said he Tracked you though> Why make the assumption of only one? Oh noes!! Now they know the truth!!
Do they? or am i telling a story of a time long ago. My dear brother, only we shall know.
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You should look into the past to see If I ever falsely role claimed publicly.
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Well, Directly falsely role claimed.
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On August 10 2010 05:54 Chezinu wrote:
You should look into the past to see If I ever falsely role claimed publicly.
As they should look into the past and figure out what my intentions may be.
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BC could always make me lose my sanity.
*thinks back and remembers the poems*
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On August 10 2010 06:07 Chezinu wrote:
BC could always make me lose my sanity.
*thinks back and remembers the poems*
The days of old, and how memorable they be.
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On August 10 2010 05:43 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On August 10 2010 05:35 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. Incorrect. Re read the tracker role. The problem is that Chez said he Tracked you though> Why make the assumption of only one?
And why would Chez make the assumption that there is more than one Tracker and use his Night Action on you instead of following the plan?
+ Show Spoiler +because he's Chez and he is inscrutable :p
Still, you do have a point - though it all depends on how Flamewheel decided to set up the game. There are 8 possible blue roles. Compare to BM's last game with the same # of players and same # of people on the mafia side. That game had 8 blues total.
Now this game is rather different - no suicide bomber; presence of Ninjas.
Now my guess is that there's probably 2-3 Ninjas, though i can't reasonably see more than 4 being reasonable.
To account for these sort of non-town players (since they effectively lower the number of town the mafia need to kill to win, unless I misread the rules) and the possibility of roleblocker, there are probably 1-2 extra blue roles. So my estimate for a total blue count would be 10 players. This allows for extras of 1-2 blue types or possibly more depending on whether all possible roles are present. I'd say we probably have two Boy Scouts, two Batmen, and then probably something like either two Conan's or two of Watcher or Tracker. With too many 'search' type roles the town becomes OP in the sort of circle getting set up right now and I'm sure FW had this in consideration without any suicide bomber in the game.
Anyway, right now based on Xelin's post it seems like the Watcher is MIA? So either the Watcher is not active (hopefully he comes back) or is not in the game. Which to me is rather more troubling than the possibility of 2 Trackers.
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As far as I can tell Xelin is in no way confirmed since we have no evidence he was either watched OR tracked, not to mention the plan was, I thought, to confirm the watcher and not Xelin.
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On August 10 2010 06:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
should it be Ninjii?
Well in Japanese the plural would be Ninja. In English, I think Ninjas is fine.
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Guys, please trust me and trust Xelin. That is all.
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On August 10 2010 06:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
As far as I can tell Xelin is in no way confirmed since we have no evidence he was either watched OR tracked, not to mention the plan was, I thought, to confirm the watcher and not Xelin.
Right, but he already claims to have a town circle and has mentioned a method of confirming himself. This could just be to convince people to claim to him (other people already did it so it must be safe!), or it could very well be true seeing as how people here have a history of being far too open with PM's. Either way if his self confirmation is a false then somebody in the circle will have to step up and call it out, right?
However if this self confirmation method hinges on the apparently absent watcher, then i'm not sure what happens.
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On August 09 2010 12:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:36 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 09 2010 12:30 Hesmyrr wrote:
Uh... mafia could not send in a kill and roleblock anyone? Hmm.. I don't really see the mafia opted out of a roleblock. It's like a 1/3 chance of getting a blue, and with LSB's plan all over the front page last night, they definitely wouldn't pass they opportunity up.. Eh could happen if my list was right :/ how bout we lynch BM and sees about it? Yes, I think so.
This is ten pages back. I wanted to do this day 1. Why dont we just lynch BM and see what happens? All these vets are so caught up in the scheming that they are afraid to go against other vets.
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Yeah, I don't like how town seems unable to do blue plans and scum hunt at the same time.
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On August 10 2010 01:33 KF91 wrote:
Alright, I voted for BM for Day 2 lynch, because he's been pretty inactive since the day started. From what I know of his playing style, he's usually constantly prodding people and accusing them of being mafia, but he's been pretty quiet for the past 10 pages. A quiet mafia vet is more dangerous than a newbie that is being quiet.
Although I seem convinced about how Foolishness could be scum at this moment, but YM could also be scum as well. I think it would be better if we confirmed then during the Night and go for them tomorrow.
I'm also suspicious of Brownbear at this moment, since I don't think a blue role would easily give up their role in that manner. He could have been either let it slip in the heat of the moment, but I definitely see it as a mafia trying to be seen as a blue.
I agree with tree.hugger's plan for tonight: confirm BrownBear and Foolishness.
Plus like someone mentioned before, it might be a waste to lynch inactives starting from now, since everyday that the town misses a lynch, the easier it is for the mafia to win. But it's been shown that mafia is usually hiding in the inactive players list most of the time.
So, would it be better to activate a double lynch for tomorrow and get rid of a suspicious player plus an inactive?
Your vote for BM is a bad choice in comparison to YoungMini. YoungMini is a better target, but Chezinu is better. Arguably Foolishness.
Bad choice IMO. Bill's stopped his random spam, and just because VM (BC) and chezinu have banter doesn't mean they are active. They are posting, yes, but completely useless information. I would prefer if you changed your vote onto someone who would provide us more information, like Foolishness or Chezinu. It would be in the whole towns best interest.
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On August 10 2010 06:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:33 KF91 wrote:
Alright, I voted for BM for Day 2 lynch, because he's been pretty inactive since the day started. From what I know of his playing style, he's usually constantly prodding people and accusing them of being mafia, but he's been pretty quiet for the past 10 pages. A quiet mafia vet is more dangerous than a newbie that is being quiet.
Although I seem convinced about how Foolishness could be scum at this moment, but YM could also be scum as well. I think it would be better if we confirmed then during the Night and go for them tomorrow.
I'm also suspicious of Brownbear at this moment, since I don't think a blue role would easily give up their role in that manner. He could have been either let it slip in the heat of the moment, but I definitely see it as a mafia trying to be seen as a blue.
I agree with tree.hugger's plan for tonight: confirm BrownBear and Foolishness.
Plus like someone mentioned before, it might be a waste to lynch inactives starting from now, since everyday that the town misses a lynch, the easier it is for the mafia to win. But it's been shown that mafia is usually hiding in the inactive players list most of the time.
So, would it be better to activate a double lynch for tomorrow and get rid of a suspicious player plus an inactive? Your vote for BM is a bad choice in comparison to YoungMini. YoungMini is a better target, but Chezinu is better. Arguably Foolishness. Bad choice IMO. Bill's stopped his random spam, and just because VM (BC) and chezinu have banter doesn't mean they are active. They are posting, yes, but completely useless information. I would prefer if you changed your vote onto someone who would provide us more information, like Foolishness or Chezinu. It would be in the whole towns best interest.
Just because you can't read between the lines good sir doesn't make it useless banter. The critical mistake is thinking I've been spewing gibberish.
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