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On August 10 2010 04:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
VayeshMoru
Did Chezinu PM you after he tracked you? Has he PM'd you at all? If so, please grace us with the lies he's fed you. And since I haven't seen your name before, I'm assuming you don't play much. So you wouldn't understand Chezinu's playstyle. Chezinu is a liar. And the closest he comes to the truth is half. So please inform us of this.
He has not been in communication to me on such a subject. We have merely discussed literature. I would hope you have gone back and read what I said just above however. It is rather pertinent.
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On August 10 2010 04:26 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
Thoughts on last night's plan:
What should have happened -
DT check Xelin
Tracker track Xelin
Medic prot Xelin
Watcher watch Xelin
Other roles leave Xelin alone.
DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown.
Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor.
Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin?
A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one.
If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher.
I think this covers it.
If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something.
If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that.
Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however. What if Xelin is the framer... you think about that? That is not logically possible if the strategy employed was followed. A simple line of thought would make that clear.
Good. You're here. And wrong.
No. If Xelin was framer and visited someone NOBODY would know. Watcher watches people that visit him. Tracker follows Xelin. Detectives check Xelin.
Framer visits somebody, without them knowing. Changes their alignment temporary, without them knowing. The tracker would know he visited somebody, but he wouldn't know what he did. He could either be a nosy neighbor, or the framer, or another blue role.
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On August 10 2010 04:32 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:26 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
Thoughts on last night's plan:
What should have happened -
DT check Xelin
Tracker track Xelin
Medic prot Xelin
Watcher watch Xelin
Other roles leave Xelin alone.
DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown.
Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor.
Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin?
A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one.
If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher.
I think this covers it.
If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something.
If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that.
Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however. What if Xelin is the framer... you think about that? That is not logically possible if the strategy employed was followed. A simple line of thought would make that clear. Good. You're here. And wrong. No. If Xelin was framer and visited someone NOBODY would know. Watcher watches people that visit him. Tracker follows Xelin. Detectives check Xelin. Framer visits somebody, without them knowing. Changes their alignment temporary, without them knowing. The tracker would know he visited somebody, but he wouldn't know what he did. He could either be a nosy neighbor, or the framer, or another blue role.
Your logic is lacking on this matter. A simple understanding on how the abilities of a tracker works would let you understand this matter entirely.
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Hmm, sudden idea occurred to me that instead of sending framer etc. to Xelin in order to halt the plan, mafia could imply choose not to send any mafia member to Xelin (b/c possibility of Godfather will stall town circle formation) then further confuse the thread by cluttering the thread up with the fakeclaims.
For example, if Tracker really did not visit Xelin, the Xelin's veracity is in doubt and fear of not all PR visitng him (which CAN happen in this forum) will stall or maybe even stop the plan. Then when Xelin happens to die later on and flip town, we should definitely look heavily into everyone who gave out ambiguous soft-claims (such as VayeshMoru with his fanfic, if my memory serves?)
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OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well.
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On August 10 2010 04:34 Hesmyrr wrote:
Hmm, sudden idea occurred to me that instead of sending framer etc. to Xelin in order to halt the plan, mafia could imply choose not to send any mafia member to Xelin (b/c possibility of Godfather will stall town circle formation) then further confuse the thread by cluttering the thread up with the fakeclaims.
For example, if Tracker really did not visit Xelin, the Xelin's veracity is in doubt and fear of not all PR visitng him (which CAN happen in this forum) will stall or maybe even stop the plan. Then when Xelin happens to die later on and flip town, we should definitely look heavily into everyone who gave out ambiguous soft-claims (such as VayeshMoru with his fanfic, if my memory serves?)
VM and Chezinu.
Chezinu is red. Through and through.
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On August 10 2010 02:44 Divinek wrote:
and therrrrre's artanis' one post for the day/night cycle down!
Way to be condescending to someone who actually took the time to explain his position on why he was voting BM...
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On August 10 2010 04:56 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:44 Divinek wrote:
and therrrrre's artanis' one post for the day/night cycle down! Way to be condescending to someone who actually took the time to explain his position on why he was voting BM...
that wasnt condescending in any way really
it was a joke jab at him to hopefully get him to post more
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On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well.
Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed.
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On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed.
Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan?
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On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed.
uhg... maybe in your previous games they have all been roleplaying games. But you don't have to stay in character here.
We need real content not just stories, and I know you are thinking that it is clever hiding stuff in them but we don't know what is real and what isn't. It ends up being no better than getting clues that the mafia can twist.
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On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan?
Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy.
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On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy.
To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer?
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On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer?
Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No?
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On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No?
Chezinu can you confirm this since you are the tracker?
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On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No?
The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive.
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On August 10 2010 05:27 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. uhg... maybe in your previous games they have all been roleplaying games. But you don't have to stay in character here. We need real content not just stories, and I know you are thinking that it is clever hiding stuff in them but we don't know what is real and what isn't. It ends up being no better than getting clues that the mafia can twist.
I didn't see BloodyC0bbler roleplay last game...
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On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive.
Incorrect. Re read the tracker role.
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On August 09 2010 23:03 XeliN wrote:
Watcher, I am asking for a slight leap of faith, please get in contact with me as I've formed a town circle, at this point let me be frank if I am mafia the information I know puts the town in a very very difficult position, but thankfully people who have shared with me are already certain of my innocence.
PM me please, the information of who visited me last night is fairly essential and in all likelihood could enable us to catch the framer on this day.
I can guarantee that I can prove my innocence as well as the people who have currently claimed to me, but in order to do so I'd obviously need to verify you. Simplest way would be giving me the names of the people who visited me, I will know if you are lying, but that is risky at it potentially gives me alot of information that, if i were mafia, could fuck us. There is another way to do this, a simpler way that is less risky that I will explain in PM.
If you PM me and subsequently I have not lived up to what I claim (that I can prove my innocence as well prove the roles of people I'm in contact with) then you will have caught a mafia (me) at the expense of revealing your role.
This in itself is pro town, but anyway I am requesting you take a slight leap of faith, the info on who visited me last night is invaluable, I would ask the same of detectives but their roles are more essential and they would be risking more.
Reposting this... plz read it watcher...
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On August 10 2010 05:35 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 05:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:31 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:27 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 05:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 10 2010 05:13 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 10 2010 04:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
OI. you're right. If DT checked him. Lol.
Oh well. Simple mistake to make. One must learn to read the past to make sense of the path we walk on. That is why a scribe has been needed. Still...Again, what if the DT's didn't follow the plan? Then a watcher would not have found the detective. A tracker in this case would be all that is needed to prove his legitimacy. To prove Xelin's legitimacy? What if Xelin is Nosy Neighbor/Framer? Does not matter. You fail to see the logic in this. A framer followed leads to a dead victim, not who he framed. The tracker would prove xelin town if xelin went out. No? The Framer doesn't kill his victim. He just temporary makes him appear mafia to DT checks. So if Xelin went out, he is not confirmed if the framer is still alive. Incorrect. Re read the tracker role.
The problem is that Chez said he Tracked you though>
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