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On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all.
Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii?
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BTW fail... I mean the top of last page.
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On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii?
if you read the thread you shall see 
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On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done.
Just saying dont generalize everyoen who has disagreed with young as 'confirmed' if he is mafia. I mean everyone seems to be butting heads, I wouldnt put it past scum to do the same thing, especially with someone like young.
Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe.
I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation.
I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound?
My head hurts someone else think for me.
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On August 10 2010 02:44 Divinek wrote:
and therrrrre's artanis' one post for the day/night cycle down!
I prefer to make a small amount of posts with content in contrast to shitting up the thread with pointless oneliners. I could start mindlessly accusing people if you prefer though.
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Im not going to push foolish or BB, because by that process we cant really form a towny circle without hitting a GF (xonsidering no one has come forward, its possible that this is either planned, or completely legit, but one of them at least has to be innocent because of what I said earlier about faking as a regular red). Unless town disagrees, we should keep them alive for blues to work on. If either is killed by mafia i dont know what to do because if we assume the other is red, scum will just hit one if they are both innocent and get a free day of no lynching.
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On August 10 2010 03:09 bumatlarge wrote:
Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe.
I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation.
I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound?
My head hurts someone else think for me.
This post makes my head hurt too, but if I understand correctly you're saying he can't be reg mafia since he might be checked on Day 2 by a combination of DT/watcher? This would require a lot of town organisation and the small gambit in the early game might work to create enough town confusion as well as get a lot of information about possible blues whilst not sacrificing the GF role early to a player likely to be lynched in the near future. Also, the framer thing would take an additional day in which we could have possibly lynched an innocent and have gotten the mafia more time.
To be certain of if someone is red or not, we'd have to use the watcher and the dt on the same person, and even then we're not sure if it was just the framer that made him look red or if he actually is red. The person visiting the checked player could also be a nosy neighbour not being aware of his role, so he wouldn't need to claim blue.
Also, I'm starting to confuse myself.
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honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing
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On August 10 2010 03:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:44 Divinek wrote:
and therrrrre's artanis' one post for the day/night cycle down! I prefer to make a small amount of posts with content in contrast to shitting up the thread with pointless oneliners. I could start mindlessly accusing people if you prefer though.
mindlessly accusing people can actually succeed in getting alot done if you're active enough about it
key word is active though
it's just when you're not immediately involved in town discussions and you post like once a cycle just to justify your vote it's kinda suspicious. But being concise is fine bro
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Though I just realized that if he claims to be a nosy neighbour, we'd have a guaranteed mafia between the two of them. It only gets tricky if we get more than the DT and possible framer to visit Foolishness. Still, with a game setup this confusing they could opt to try to confuse the town in this manner and try to force innocent lynches until they get discovered.
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On August 10 2010 03:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing
All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after.
On August 10 2010 03:02 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii? if you read the thread you shall see Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming?
Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
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On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:02 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii? if you read the thread you shall see Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him.
ill unhelp you right in the face
i prefer to teach a man how to fish, instead of just throwing him one
if he's not gonna read the thread for something as simple as that then we've lost all hope in him
you know
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also it's not chainsaw if you attack those who are attacking you
chainsaw is more, you're defending someone else by attacking the person who is attacking them
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On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
Thoughts on last night's plan:
What should have happened -
DT check Xelin
Tracker track Xelin
Medic prot Xelin
Watcher watch Xelin
Other roles leave Xelin alone.
DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown.
Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor.
Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin?
A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one.
If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher.
I think this covers it.
If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something.
If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that.
Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however.
What if Xelin is the framer...
you think about that?
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On August 10 2010 01:41 bumatlarge wrote:
IF FOOLISHNESS IS MADIA THEN HE IS THE GF. The only way we can confirm him is illing him (lol) or finding the GF and then checking foolishness.
As for BB, i really dont see a problem I gess. If we just have the DT check and the watcher watch him, we can catch a framer. If the try to kill him, wham bam watcher gets the info. Only beef with it is the GF situation again, really need to get it out of here :/
But the watcher can create lists and keep his mouth shut. If he watches and only 1 person visits, they stay alive and say they werent RBd we have a blue or a framer. Id suggest the watcher to then talk with him because the odds are good, especially if its someone nlikely to be framed.
How is brownbear even arguably mafia...He claimed he was role blocked...-_-
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And Why is Chezinu not being FoS'd?
He has claimed tracker, and claimed to of tracked mr smurf. So we believe chezinu these days? Read his posts. They instill chaos and disorder. He isn't at all advancing any town goal by not following LSB's plan. We would of verified SEVERAL blues including him if he would of tracked Xelin. Nothing could go wrong. It would of been to risking. I'm voting Chezinu. That's BS and if you guys believe that shit, then you're tards. Blue claiming isn't even going to help him. I don't believe him.
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If red can abstain from roleblocking i guess... i dont know im playin the devils advocate. Hell there might not even be a framer, lets just go with the BB targetting for watcher and DT? Nosy neighbor is just chance, im sre it would only help out later on. Not sure who we should lynch though. Some other inactive or should we actually go for someone suspicious like young or bill?
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On August 10 2010 04:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
Thoughts on last night's plan:
What should have happened -
DT check Xelin
Tracker track Xelin
Medic prot Xelin
Watcher watch Xelin
Other roles leave Xelin alone.
DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown.
Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor.
Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin?
A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one.
If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher.
I think this covers it.
If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something.
If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that.
Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however. What if Xelin is the framer... you think about that?
That is not logically possible if the strategy employed was followed. A simple line of thought would make that clear.
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VayeshMoru
Did Chezinu PM you after he tracked you? Has he PM'd you at all? If so, please grace us with the lies he's fed you. And since I haven't seen your name before, I'm assuming you don't play much. So you wouldn't understand Chezinu's playstyle. Chezinu is a liar. And the closest he comes to the truth is half. So please inform us of this.
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Aw promised chez i wouldnt push him, and still think hes a tracker 
Also im assuming mafia has a roleblocker, but then again if they didnt and BB is... but we can remember that later, just be wary of who says they get RB'd in the future.
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