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On February 11 2014 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait, HF I was right you didn't talk about him today that was all yesterday's stuff, and it wasn't much at all.
I like that you tried to get him to explain his Koshi townread (which is what I want from the entire damn thread) but he just offers the same thing as everyone else 'He doesn't look like scum Koshi.'
K filtering
No thats not true I said Koshi's posting seemed carefree so far which is the exact same metric that I used to push scum Koshi in SMB. You used that reasoning earlier (and my own post) to push Koshi as scum this game and now you're just completely ignoring it?
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So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta.
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Get out Risen. You and your damn paranoia is not needed here. They aren't going to nominate you this round because they're plotting to nominate me. It's so obvious! AAAAARGH It Makes ME So MAd
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On February 09 2014 11:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 09 2014 10:13 Grackaroni wrote:
That is pretty terrible. Hi Grack. Read the thread? Yeah I've just read through the thread. I guess I'll try my best to not be an asshole this game in order to delay my lynch for a few cycles. Plus you quoted me to support your attack on Koshi which is great for the ego. Koshi is more than willing to buddy Rayn as scum as well so him not doing it this game isn't the best argument for Koshi being scum, and as Marv already mentioned they weren't even posting at the same time.
Semi-martyring = townpoints.
Actual reasoning regarding Koshi this early is interesting but no proof and also solely meta (even though I think my feels at the time were mostly meta based as well).
On February 10 2014 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
Not going to argue with you Grack as you seem essentially incapable of understanding basic mafia concepts. No I actually just think it's laughable that you think that people are scum for trying to lynch you. Now why did you think Corazon was town before, and why are you voting for him now?
Aside from the trolling, there does appear to be some sort of direction to his early play, namely a push towards cora-and-maybe-marv. I'm not sure if I'm biased because marv is maybe-intentionally pissing me off these days but anyone who attempts to stick it to him automatically looks good. Especially considering he's right. Probably should do something about that bias but whatevs.
On February 10 2014 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:
##Unvote Marv
##Vote: VayneAuthority
We can lynch Vayne.
On February 10 2014 03:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I give up for today. Risen safe lynch; best lynch NA.
##Unvote: VA
##Vote: Risen
The rest of the day is dick all now. HF already addressed this and honestly I don't think any of the concerns brought up were dealt with adequately. On one hand I can certainly identify with often not having strong scumreads on D1 (though this isn't always necessarily true) but at the very least when I don't have strong scumreads I try to at least make reads in general and give my thoughts on them (and then I'm called scummy and 'wishy-washy)---Grack has done neither. He's 'given up on finding scum D1' but ALSO has shown that he doesn't even want to attempt to help the REST of town unless prodded intensely, which has continued well into today.
On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 06:45 geript wrote:##vote GrackaroniFirst off, we can all agree that Grack's been useless this game. Unfortunately, this isn't alignment indicative of him though. There are some good reasons for him to be scum. + Show Spoiler [filters] +1.He's objectively weird but no one has been interested in discussing him. Like he's gotten a complete free pass. 2. The Cora lynch has too much steam. There are way too many people ok with lynching Cora right now for it to end up being a good lynch. On top of that, Cora reacted to Palmar exactly how I had which should be a good litmus test. 3. Grack has bounced around to 3 different people with completely shitty reasons every time. 4. We get to avoid super awkward situations like happened in LXIV. 5. Grack has more swagger as town than he has as scum. Hell he's voted for himself both times as town (once was for mayor). He's also far more negative as scum than he is as town. It's weird to try and describe, but I'm not seeing any sense of confidence coming out of Grack. Most of his statements this game have been qualified: "I do think it could be" "I might be ok" "But you haven't done anything to try to solve the game?" There's a serious disconnect between these posts and how I read him in his other town games. 6. This is weak, but in his scum games he also uses quotes more than he does as town. It feels like his lack of confidence wants him to pad his filter with extra space. That's the bullet point. Rayn/VE your thoughts. This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me.
Oh wait, he DOES maybe have a strong scumread in marv? He certainly mentions him enough in his filter but it's not a real push, it's trolly and I can't honestly tell if he's serious about it or not. That worries me.
On February 10 2014 07:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 10 2014 07:20 marvellosity wrote:On February 10 2014 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Next thing to look is geript. Man that case on Grackaroni. I don't even know what to say. I... think I'm ok with the case. Not because I think the case is good, I just don't think it's badly intentioned. Especially the "I know this bit is weak" - I'm not sure geript is that sneaky as mafia Who makes a case that says "Grack is mafia because Corazon lynch is too easy". srsly? Geript? If Cora is mafia then he is probably being pretty heavily bussed by now. I don't think mafia would be trying to save him at this point.
This post shows a little insight maybe, but they're way too few and far between.
On February 11 2014 01:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Well yeah he said that he wanted to kill Koshi for his posts not looking like he is having fun and then he said he was starting to like Koshi's posts (when it became more like Koshi's usual posting), but later in the day he's still super convinced that it's all an act which I don't like.
And yeah VE thing was wtf.
And recently the discussion on me began---I actually don't mind this much aside from the fact that it's slightly misrepresentative of what I'm trying to get at. Yes I said that it started to look more like his usual posting but only after being prodded. Sort of like how Grack has to be prodded. And the fact that I still feel like Koshi has skated by while doing absolutely nothing but nobody seems to want to look at that is what contributes to me thinking it's an act but whatever. And the VE thing I explained literally as it happened.
I'm not sure if I see mafia agenda behind bringing me up as a target as he could simply be content to follow status quo since he's not in any real danger at the moment, and bringing up a new target and sort-of-pushing it will inadvertently bring attention to him...I mean yeah it's a mislynch but the intent seems honest.
Grack I have one question for you right now before I look at geript's case on you:
On February 11 2014 05:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm just waiting for the nominations.
Why, specifically?
Conclusion on filterdive above pending.
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On February 11 2014 05:51 Risen wrote:
So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta.
Are you referring to me?
Out with it.
You've mentioned fake rage a shit ton in this game and while I agreed with you when applied to Koshi I'd like to see some actual supporting content now because shitting on people from the sidelines is not helpful and grack-y.
Geript rage, fake or real?
My rage, fake or real?
Koshi rage, fake or real?
Why or why not?
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On February 11 2014 05:49 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait, HF I was right you didn't talk about him today that was all yesterday's stuff, and it wasn't much at all.
I like that you tried to get him to explain his Koshi townread (which is what I want from the entire damn thread) but he just offers the same thing as everyone else 'He doesn't look like scum Koshi.'
K filtering No thats not true I said Koshi's posting seemed carefree so far which is the exact same metric that I used to push scum Koshi in SMB. You used that reasoning earlier (and my own post) to push Koshi as scum this game and now you're just completely ignoring it?
Yes it is the same metric, but you talked about it specifically from the POV of the EARLY point in the game. I believe your post was about him reading his role PM and being depressed? Would you expect a scum Koshi to be depressed about reading his scum role PM the entire game?
And as far as Koshi goes, nobody wants to talk to me about him or explain anything to me so I see no point in continuing to tunnel all game. If you can't already tell, I don't appreciate anti-town activity.
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On February 11 2014 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
Only koshi...? I don't think you're reading right at all.
Not only Koshi, I know, but that's just what I mentioned there.
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On February 11 2014 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 04:49 Palmar wrote:
In sake of fairness, it's actually quite uncharacteristic for me to accept a wagon I don't feel good about. generally I'm all like "I never vote townies, no compromises". so VE isn't wrong. Like, arguably Palmar "didn't think Cora was town", but my opinion is that his posting looks like he doesn't even care if he's town or not, and the fact is that the Cora wagon was fast and it LOOKED like a town wagon. And that's a problem for me, because of the post above.
If Palmar is scum it looks more to me like he'd be trying to cover up the fact that he doesn't care by being non-apologetic about it, if that makes any sense.
VE, you know palmar better than i do (I think), I've had problems with Palmar specifically ignoring me before and supposedly inadvertently pissing me off (that is, he said he didn't mean to when he finally finally responded to me, LXI I think it was). He appears to be pulling something right now by taunting me, and I can't tell what. Am I imagining this or is it simply Palmar?
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On February 11 2014 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 05:49 Grackaroni wrote:On February 11 2014 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait, HF I was right you didn't talk about him today that was all yesterday's stuff, and it wasn't much at all.
I like that you tried to get him to explain his Koshi townread (which is what I want from the entire damn thread) but he just offers the same thing as everyone else 'He doesn't look like scum Koshi.'
K filtering No thats not true I said Koshi's posting seemed carefree so far which is the exact same metric that I used to push scum Koshi in SMB. You used that reasoning earlier (and my own post) to push Koshi as scum this game and now you're just completely ignoring it? Yes it is the same metric, but you talked about it specifically from the POV of the EARLY point in the game. I believe your post was about him reading his role PM and being depressed? Would you expect a scum Koshi to be depressed about reading his scum role PM the entire game? And as far as Koshi goes, nobody wants to talk to me about him or explain anything to me so I see no point in continuing to tunnel all game. If you can't already tell, I don't appreciate anti-town activity.
No I said he was scum like 1/2 way through day1. It's just an overall feel not like when somebody randomly seems really angry right after scum gets shot or something. Plus he wrote a case that seemed really strange for him to believe as town.
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On February 11 2014 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 05:51 Risen wrote:
So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta. Are you referring to me? Out with it. You've mentioned fake rage a shit ton in this game and while I agreed with you when applied to Koshi I'd like to see some actual supporting content now because shitting on people from the sidelines is not helpful and grack-y. Geript rage, fake or real? My rage, fake or real? Koshi rage, fake or real? Why or why not?
Geript - Fake. Why rage? Super fake.
You - Fake. Why rage? Has anyone actually done anything to misrepresent you entirely and the thread went along with it?
Koshi - Self-admitted fake.
I'm known for raging, but at least I only ever raged when the entire thread was going against me not at a single person or idea.
It's absurd and toxic. Also fake. Can't tell if people are trying to play to metas or just feel like raging so they have an excuse to leave thread for a bit.
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It was to not get lynched.
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On February 10 2014 06:45 geript wrote:##vote GrackaroniFirst off, we can all agree that Grack's been useless this game. Unfortunately, this isn't alignment indicative of him though. There are some good reasons for him to be scum. + Show Spoiler [filters] +1.He's objectively weird but no one has been interested in discussing him. Like he's gotten a complete free pass. 2. The Cora lynch has too much steam. There are way too many people ok with lynching Cora right now for it to end up being a good lynch. On top of that, Cora reacted to Palmar exactly how I had which should be a good litmus test. 3. Grack has bounced around to 3 different people with completely shitty reasons every time. 4. We get to avoid super awkward situations like happened in LXIV. 5. Grack has more swagger as town than he has as scum. Hell he's voted for himself both times as town (once was for mayor). He's also far more negative as scum than he is as town. It's weird to try and describe, but I'm not seeing any sense of confidence coming out of Grack. Most of his statements this game have been qualified: "I do think it could be" "I might be ok" "But you haven't done anything to try to solve the game?" There's a serious disconnect between these posts and how I read him in his other town games. 6. This is weak, but in his scum games he also uses quotes more than he does as town. It feels like his lack of confidence wants him to pad his filter with extra space. That's the bullet point. Rayn/VE your thoughts.
The thing that was getting into my head was (bad wave, bad bad) pre-flip association to see if Grack/Geript team makes sense but I really don't think it does in the slightest. Grack responds to it so nonchalantly when it would be an amazing distancing play---it just seems way too unlikely. I honestly think some of Geript's terrible case here actually makes him look a little better simply BECAUSE it's so terrible (quotes? really?) but then I remember Sandroba in Shadow game so obviously scum are more than capable of making purposefully terrible cases on people who aren't their scumbuddies.
Some of the points of the case themselves DO hold water but they're so superficial. not even close to what Holy was attempting to expose. Ultimately I don't think the case itself says much about geript OR grack, I think HF's pressure does a better job than that though now I find myself wanting more because I am left very unsatisfied with Grack's paly.
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On February 11 2014 06:16 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 11 2014 05:51 Risen wrote:
So much fake rage in this game. Get questioned or disagreed with, rage. People back down because it shits up the thread. Rage a little more. Town meta. Are you referring to me? Out with it. You've mentioned fake rage a shit ton in this game and while I agreed with you when applied to Koshi I'd like to see some actual supporting content now because shitting on people from the sidelines is not helpful and grack-y. Geript rage, fake or real? My rage, fake or real? Koshi rage, fake or real? Why or why not? Geript - Fake. Why rage? Super fake. You - Fake. Why rage? Has anyone actually done anything to misrepresent you entirely and the thread went along with it? Koshi - Self-admitted fake. I'm known for raging, but at least I only ever raged when the entire thread was going against me not at a single person or idea. It's absurd and toxic. Also fake. Can't tell if people are trying to play to metas or just feel like raging so they have an excuse to leave thread for a bit.
Geript raged and left thread.
Neither Koshi nor I did.
Also I do not fake rage. That may not mean anything to you, but I don't really care as it matters to my standards.
I rage when people say stupid shit about me, ESPECIALLY when i'm not around to correct them. See (Thug Life I think?) when I was like 10 min away from being lynched and frantically posting against a push on my lunch hour that started when i could not be in thread. yes you're right, i could be playing to my meta, but if so it's because that's simply how I play and that doesn't appear to be likely to change no matter how often i try.
Now I actually Do have to leave thread, I'll be back at my usual time. Probably by myself as per usual.
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I just want to know the nominations.... -.- Feel like this dawn thing is kinda pointless as the optimal play is to NOT mention who you think is town like everyone (including rayn who said he agreed with this) has been doing.
Also, wave, wtf are you doing? You just went through gracks filter and pointed out everything I had already brought to light to then reach.... no conclusion, yet, that was the thing you criticised/questioned me for?
Also your post which has pre-flip associations in it shouldn't at all after your last 2 games:
(Vengeful Mafia)
On February 07 2014 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:36 Cephiro wrote:On February 07 2014 08:25 LSB wrote:
I am deeply concerned about Cephiro trying to get a townie to offer themselves as a sacrifice to get me shot. I know that I am a townie, so this falls under my "worst case scenario of townie shooting townie" argument.
This is incredibly different from Marv/HF who are both asking people to lynch them so they can pull the trigger themselves. Unless they are bluffing (which applies more to HF than Marv) mafia should never offer themselves as a sacrifice. 1) I have merely pointed out my suspicions on you and referred to you as my preferred lynch target since I was asked of that specific question. 2) If you are scum, there is no reason for scum to shoot you. I am not in need of tempting another townie to get to shoot you, I am just fine doing it myself. I figure it would be best to talk cooperatively among town who they want to keep around for lategame to ensure the best possibilities of winning. As you might have noticed, I am in no rush to make decisions about who to lynch or who to shoot this cycle, neither was I during last cycle. This is also a reason why I'm sad that Prome was the one to take the shot, since I would have preferred him to stay alive later in the game, and had an more unsure read take the shot.
@Wave: It's suboptimal play. Why guess if we can have facts? Certainly it might not even become a deciding factor of any sorts, but why take the risk? Why not go for the guaranteed information? Disagree. We have direct control over a lynch, not who gets shot. The shooters can technically do whatever they want despite what they may say, and they may or may not mean they're scum. If we lynch two people who then shoot town, and then game doesn't end either way, then we know one of them was scum--- the only thing that the 'guaranteed' information matters is for association cases, which I have very little faith in lately.
(Shadow Mafia)
I've kidna forgotten about Toad so I dunno where I am on that. Thinking of it now I figure much of our downfall this game has been association so I don't think I want to start looking into waht pairs make sense and what don't.
We REALLY should be lynching on merits alone, and then once we have a flip we can start attempting to associate (but even then I'd lean towards solo analysis).
So why did you start out the game with pre-flip associations in your mind when you know that it hasn't been working out for you and even said you don't want to do it in previous 2 games?
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On February 11 2014 06:18 Koshi wrote:
It was to not get lynched.
Which just reinforces the point I was making.
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wtf is going on? I can't understand anything in this thread....
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I will also give you 2 scum as soon as the nominations are up.
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On February 11 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is going on? I can't understand anything in this thread....
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This is really funny because this is like the last game and i was pissed off when people could jerk off with their scumreads as town and now i can do the same so fuck you mafia! 
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VE you still have to explain why me not doing exactly the things you'd expect me to do makes me scum. More precisely, do you think my version of the events surrounding Corazon's lynch are false, and if they are, where is the hole?
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