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slOosh
3291 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 12 2013 04:33 slOosh wrote: Really ... nothing on VE huh ... I wrote something on VisceraEyes yesterday. I also think he's scum but I'm more sure of Mr. Cheesecake. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote Snarfs Because prplhz just wrote a case and I will read it before I moving forward. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Some time today I will defend myself from these erroneous cases but I'm telling you guys, I'm not mafia. Look at my mafia games. I do not play like this as mafia. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Vote Count Snarfs: Mr.Cheesecake, Yamato77, VissceraEyes Yamato77: JayBrundage, Phagga VisceraEyes: Snarfs, SlOosh Mr.Cheesecake: Prplhz Have not voted: Djodref, Prplhz, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, If I missed any votes plz tell me. SlOosh Why would you say that Yamato isn't happening. Its even with VE and Snarfs is leading by one. It's a bit to soon to say which lynch is gonna happen and which one isn't Yamato also has plenty of content to read over. The way he has hard defended some scummy people (prplhz, VE) Will also help to give a better read of these people. I would even say that Yamato would give way more information then VE. Also I think he's scum. Do you disagree with my case at all? Do you think Palmar was mistaken? Also saying that we are lynching between scum is a big assumption. It makes people care less about the lynch and lets scum get away weak bandwagoning. The biggest part that annoys me is your declaration of Yamato lynch not happening. Why do you say that. If anything Yamato seems like it has quite a bit of resistance. Also given The votes that are being thrown on Snarf I do not want to lynch him today. The people voting him are the same people Palmar noted as being likely scum. I also find prplhz's vote on CC to be rather bad hes dividing the vote for no reason. I don't see him On February 12 2013 04:08 slOosh wrote: Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed. Jay, I think we are just choosing which scum we want to lynch at this point. Many of the initial pool of suspects (including yamato) have ties with VE. By lynching VE it forces more content from the remaining scum as well as helps us get better reads of them if they happen to be town. That is why I prefer lynching VE and would appreciate if you join me. Yamato ain't going nowhere I assure you. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:09 phagga wrote: Jay, Could you please add a point or two to every name explaining why you think they are scum? I was looking over mah google sheet and seeing who I have notes on everyone and it just makes sense given there interactions in the thread and also there lack of contributions stand out. Here is my sheet. Note these are only notes for me. So it may not be complete and all the way up to date. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsP1hp8cIarUdGlZNGk4cF96Vll3QkdhVzVsT0ZNRFE&usp=sharing | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Or let me ask like this. What did VE do that he got a whole lot scummier? | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Oatsmaster was kind of a revelation I had given him a town read cause of his interactions with Mocsta early and never really looked at him again. However I was thinking what has this guy done recently that has contributing anything at all. And i couldn't think of anything. He was just flinging shit at me recently for no reason besides to discredit me with out. But he didn't even come out with any scum read on me or anything. So I think he can be the 4th mafia that is hiding in the shadows. Mr.CC cause I think his turn around on yamato is quite scummy. Also a severe lack of real contributions have made him seems scummy. As well as his a very different post style from his other town games. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I haven't looked at Oats or Cheese in ages, as I was not suspicious of them, so I can't really say much about them right now. I think we have bigger targets right now, and I would like to concentrate on a few players. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
As some of you might remember I was pressuring VE a bit about his behavior around the palmar vote. I think there is a breakdown in his logic. I originally wrote a post to him asking why he voted the target of his scum read: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:08 phagga wrote: VE: regarding your Palmar vote: You voted Palmar saying that it is a scum tell that he does not comment on random lynching. Later on you said palmar does not care, and that is a sign that he is scum. Both this points have been refuted by oats (with the Marv vote) and me (Death note). What's baffling me is that I feel you should have known better than that. You were in LVIII with Marv and Palmar and even answered to the very quote of Marv that oats posted. And even without this, you are long enough active here that i would expect you to know that palmar does these stunts as town sometimes. Therefor I really feel you tried to pull a Risen here and lynch palmar for his inactivity although you should know that he could be town, and could be a an important asset to town later on. So, you vote Palmar because he is scum according to you, and then you switch to Palmars target (prplhz) saying if Palmar (who you think is scum) is going to push prplhz, he will get his will anyway. So you freely succumb to scum? What is this? Oh, I forgot, you will of course still be happy to lynch palmar if someone else wants to, but now you no longer want to push him, and instead push the target of your scumread! How is that a town motivated move? He answered and I followed up: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:43 phagga wrote: Of course Palmar is capable of bussing his teammates, but you MUST have been aware at this point that Palmar could have voted a townie. And let's just be clear: this post came after the post I quoted before. So what you are saying is that a) Palmar has a lot of influence, b) Palmar is scum and c) Palmar comes into the thread and busses his teammate immediatly, hence you vote his teammate. That just does not make any sense to me. And I'm not talking about Palmars alignment here (which is a different discussion), I'm solely talking about how you chose to abandon your scum read and instead voted for your scumread's target, and that I don't understand that move. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't explain anything in that post phagga. He didn't say why he wanted to lynch any of those targets. It barely even qualifies as a bus in that instance because he's not pushing his read and he's barely interested in where his vote goes. And regardless of the second post you quoted, the fact remains that he didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched. This is a fact. So you can bitch at me all you want about "voting for my scumread's target", because I know that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again. Not even a "Guys lynch prplhz" like he's wont to do. Nothing. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 09:10 phagga wrote: VE: but the point was that you explicitly wrote that if Palmar would push prplhz, he would get him lynched, and this was part of your reasoning why you voted prplhz. So while it is true that Palmar has not pushed him, you did not have this kind of knowledge when you wrote your post yesterday, and instead claimed that prplhz was a good target because of the very fact that if Palmar pushes him, he will get prplhz lynched. That contradicts your "Palmar is bussing prplhz" theory, since a scum palmar would probably not actively push a lynch on his team mate. Now comes the fun part. His response to my last post was that Palmar "didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched." and that he knows "that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again." This is his justification for his vote for prplhz. However, when he actually voted prplhz he wrote that if Palmar pushes his target, he will get him lynched. Also, at that time there was no way for him to know if Palmar would push prplhz or not. And finally, if Palmar was scum (as VE read him), and Palmar would actively push prplhz to get lynched, then prplhz would with a high probability be town. (Scum actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate on D1? Not impossible, but very unlikely). So, to break it down into few simple phrases: VE votes prplhz with the premise that if palmar, who is his scumread, pushes a lynch on prplhz, he will get it through. VE then later says that palmar might be bussing his teammate. That leaves two conclusions for VE's intentions when he voted prp in this post. 1.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and is actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate D1, hence VE votes prplhz. 2.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and has the ability to lynch a town prplhz, and VE is perfectly happy with that. The first one is very unlikely, the second one very scummy. Also note how VE actually writes that Palmars vote on prplhz makes the latter the best lynch candidate. The fact that VE never came up with a more satisfying explanation despite me asking him several times makes it pretty clear to me that his intentions were to hurt town. Riddle me this: If sloosh comes up to any of you townies, and asks if you could talk with him about it, and you have the next 30 minutes freely available. What do you do? I guess you would go read sloosh's case and comment on it. But what does VE do? On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him [phagga] with you today. -.- On February 10 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Hello? slOosh? Did you want me to chiggity chat with you about your case? I thought you were calling the shots here bro, you just called me out. Let me put you mind at ease. In a non-sexual kind of way. Notice the time stamps. It would have been easy to shortly look into Sloosh's 2-page filter to find his case and comment on it. Or he could have gone and read my filter and make his own read on me. But VE was doing nothing. How did he even want to discuss anything on me when he did not even know about the facts? This are my 2 points that made me think VE could be scum. Sloosh adds a couple good points himself, I can go with that. Therefor, I think VE is scum. I've seen Cheeses' case on Yamato, and I have to read through it properly. However, not now, cause I'm tired as hell after sacrificing too much sleep for mafia this weekend. I'll take a shower and be back in about 30 minutes, if you have any questions I will answer them then, else/afterwards I'm off to bed. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm sorry I couldn't understand what you were asking earlier. I hope this clears that up. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 12 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Phagga I wasn't convinced Palmar was scum at the time of the prplhz vote. It wasn't until my exclamation in the thread that I thought Palmar was scum. It was strictly a lurker lynch at that point, with slight scummy undertones based on his lack of contribution. What I thought at the time was that if Palmar came back and actually did something, he'd be town and his lynch of prplhz would go through. Or, yes, that he was scum and bussing his mate...but at the time fo the post in question, I wasn't convinced Palmar was actually scum (hence the unvote ). I'm sorry I couldn't understand what you were asking earlier. I hope this clears that up. Noted. I'd like to hear what others think about the points I brought up. I'm off to bed now. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 12 2013 07:07 phagga wrote: Noted. I'd like to hear what others think about the points I brought up. I'm off to bed now. Didn't like the first, liked the second. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
slOosh is Mafia He keeps insisting that I'm not doing shit. He keeps insisting that I am not scumhunting. He conveniently leaves out the fact that I have not one, but TWO scum suspects whom I have made cases on and pushed for lynch at various points in the game...suspects that I continue to believe in today. Because I believed that the nominations would be all town, I wrote slOosh off as town as soon as the nominations were posted...in spite of red flags being raised when he was certain he would be put up for nomination. Now he's got this fail crusade against me. But he's accusing me of shit that he's just as, if not more, guilty of. He disappeared during D1 when the important shit was going down. And now he's in a unique position of being "soft-confirmed" town. What's he do with it? Continue to ignore everything his "scum suspect" says. If he really thinks I'm scum, why isn't he trying to catch me by making me explain my reads more thoroughly? Because in the name of consistency, he has to pretend they don't exist.. Otherwise he has no fucking case on me. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out a townie motivation for pretending my scumreads don't exist, and aside from "maybe he really thinks I'm town and is trying to infuriate me to confirm his read on me" I can't think of a single one...and that one doesn't make any fucking sense because if he's town and he's wasting all that time on trying to cement a TOWN read on me, he's doing something horribly horribly wrong...therefor, I conclude that he has to be scum. prplhz is Mafia Palmar knew it, I ignored it, now I gotta do something about it. prplhz did nothing over the course of D1 aside from ask Djodref about RNG, tell Mocsta and Oats to stop yelling at each other, and ask people over and over what they think about his "case" on jaybrundage. I put case in quotations there because his case is basically "he feels a little elusive and mild and *shrug*" but apparently that's enough for prplhz. What I find interesting about that is he claims he had no strong scum suspects D1...but apparently I haven't been doing shit all game right? Why wasn't I a suspect to prplhz? Oh that's right, at the end of D1 when the shit was uncertain surrounding the lynch, that is when all of a sudden prplhz would lynch VE over JX. Which begs the question: why didn't he raise me as a lynch candidate before then? If he was opposed to the JX lynch, why didn't he offer me up sooner than a couple hours before the lynch? prplhz is my strongest read by far and I prefer a prplhz lynch today. Snarfs is Mafia Snarfs has rubbed me the wrong way all game. His initial case on me was so bad that it got my attention, and the way he pushed it (or NOT pushed it more accurately) felt scummy all game long. He continues to do nothing, which kinda makes me a little queasy, but overall he's firmly in the red for me. If I can't get a prplhz lynch today, I would lynch Snarfs. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 10 2013 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I did and was satisfied enough with what I found. Not interested in lynching you right now Cheese. That's mentioned in the post I'm working on. Still waiting for justification on this VE Plus, can you please expound in dot points why you think yamato is not a contender for lynch. | ||
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