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slOosh
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I can get with a Snarfs lynch, he did nothing during the nominations at all. Reads: Scum: Snarf Prp Nothing else really stands out at this time that I didnt already state. slOosh, are you gonna play the game or just slid back into lurking now that the pressure is off | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Someone quick to jump to conclusions eh? | ||
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried. For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment: #1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth #2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Your reasons for both of them are not cause they are scum, its cause they havent answered all the questions levied at them? Isnt that kinda of a shitty reason to focus on them? | ||
Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
To summarize while I have time: VE: not scum hunting like normal, placing wishy washy votes and not really caring. Not giving good reasoning for actions. Oats: No reason for town to attempt to discredit prplhz like he did, whether prplhz is town or scum doesn't matter, Oats deliberately attempted to mislead us with his quotes. Yamato: similar feeling as VE, doesn't seem to be trying to find scum, more just playing the "see what gets me by card". If anyone doesn't have a good enough argument for these people though, I will gladly address their questions when I find time tomorrow. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 11 2013 16:15 Oatsmaster wrote: lol, so you dont think Snarf and Prp are scum? Your reasons for both of them are not cause they are scum, its cause they havent answered all the questions levied at them? Isnt that kinda of a shitty reason to focus on them? I am not saying Snarf/prplhz are not scum at all. I am saying: If you pressure 4-5 guys at the same time, maybe only 2 (if you're lucky 3) respond. Then the remaining 2 guys walk away and get forgotten. Hence, I think it is best to concentrate of 2 (max 3) guys; get the results we need, and then move on to the next target. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
No reason for me to 'discredit Prp'? Where did I 'discredit' him? Snarfs why are you not scum? Also, why is Prp not scum then Snarfs? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also, respond to the second part. Why are both of them scummy? | ||
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 11 2013 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Its just that you are focusing on different people than me Mocsta, so Im not gonna pressure 5 people. Also, respond to the second part. Why are both of them scummy? I see your point of view; and as long as you feel you can follow through with your pressure fine. Just note that you said before with CNY you are VERY busy - so I think it is reasonable to NOT expect follow through with the pressure. As for yam/VE being scum; I have stated my opinion on the matter; yam is my joint #1 scum read. And I am awaiting his response to the pressure put forth. On February 11 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote: Oats, I cant stop you from pursuing who you want to scum hunt. I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried. For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment: #1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth #2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended. I think this is pretty clear to be frank. I am not struggling with what does not make sense? Hopefully the above will suffice. | ||
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 11 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote: Good to know you're alive. Do you know what the situation is with replacements? i.e. Are you getting modkilled? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Like lol k Mocsta. Im struggling to understand how not answering questions makes them your n1 scum read. | ||
Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 11 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Um Im posting so no? Like lol k Mocsta. Im struggling to understand how not answering questions makes them your n1 scum read. Dude, don't be a Snarfs...read the thread; I am not going to summarise what has already been stated. Either way; why are you trying to banter with me? If I am a town read of yours; you're cluttering the thread arguing with me; and not providing any benefit for it. | ||
Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
This has been a painful 12 hrs. Hopefully the USA shift has a bit more to add. I know I suggested before to only pressure 2/3 people, but that was based on people actually responding. This is basically the first post in almost 6 hours. Town, we still outnumber scum; please dont allow them to lurk in the shadows | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 11 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote: im still keen to vote phagga; and I still dont like his response(s) to the scum slip catch. I still think it was genuine as per (scum slip written on phone) However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues. Mocsta, which points are you referring to? I'm kinda confused on what you mean. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
##Vote Yamato I read up on Jay. The impression I have is that he has not done anything really in this game, and has no reads. I will be interested to see what scum reads he has. He also failed to answer why his read on prplhz changed, and as others pointed out his actions around the palmar lynch are very odd. I'm leaning scum on him, but feel unsure. I'm currently writing up a post on VE, but have to catch a train. It should be online in a few hours. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Yamato Because Jay said that Palmar said so I haven't really given a serious look at Yamato until today. I initially wrote him off, because he was the towniest Yamato I've ever seen. In our history, he was always flaming with bias and emotionally posting. He drove the JX lynch home, but it was more lazy posting instead of emotional. This game he is more level-headed, and I just kinda threw a 'leaning town' stamp on him and let it be. Palmar apparently was going for something with Yamato, and Jay just reiterated it. I still think it is bad how Jay went after Yamato like that, but I have to consider that maybe he / Palmar are right. I'm filter diving and coming to my own conclusions on Yamato. On Jay's points: Yamato's flip-flop on Mocsta From Jay's case, I found it hard to get the grip on this point (he was basically summarizing). The first two pages on his filter are anti-Mocsta and then suddenly out of nowhere is: On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote: I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me. With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch. Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution. I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me. I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. His Mocsta alignment case wasn't getting any traction, so he switches base. This IS a bit odd. Especially for Yamato. The Yamato I know was always ridden with tunneling and never let up. Conceding his position is, from what I'd consider, unlikely for town Yamato. Also, this is bad reasoning for a town Mocsta from him: On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote: I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. -snip- Both alignments respond to cases. A matter of effort is not alignment indicative. JX Vote On February 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: Also, ##Unvote ##Vote JieXian Or however you spell his name. Where was JX before in Yamato's thinking? I completely missed this tbh. Not much to say about it other than lolwut. List post: On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it. TOWN Oats Sloosh VE Mocsta Jay Prplhz CC NULL Djo Phagga MAFIA Palmar JX Snarfs The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo. I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them. Lists are scummy brah. I have no idea why he thinks I'm town: We've barely even talked. I think our interactions are null at this stage? I don't recall him taking a look at me. Why is he writing me off as town? I'm less concerned about his scumreads, because those conclusions can come from either alignment. I just don't know why certain people have earned the Yamato green stamp of approval. Prphlz town read: On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438 This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter? Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game. This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX. This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green. Mainly a meta case and two quotes saying that he's pro town. Why doesn't Yamato think he can be mafia faking this sentiment? Eeerrrr it's such an easy thing to just slap this town label on someone and never rethink it. The only time I played scum was with Debears, and he did this stuff to me all the time. Beefed up my townie image by defending me and saying I was pro-town because 'insert midly townish post here'. It may be the same case here. Yamato Today On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote: One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity. Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda. So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today. ##Vote Snarfs As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it. Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game. For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all. Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game. If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. Even if Snarfs fits that bill, this is a shitty reason to be voting people alone. I don't agree that we should be looking mainly at activity from the nomination lynch. It's like a cop-out on forming decent reads... Also, he just calls me blendy and null reads me when I ask him to look into me. Seriously, I give him a GOLDEN opportunity to get some information about me, which I will respond to. He just null reads like a boss. Why doesn't he want to snuggle up with me and get to know each other? Town Yamato loves to interact / cuddle with me. Scum Yamato is afraid because he knows I'll call him out on his BS. I'd consider lynching Yamato today. My gut tells me to go all wagon of justice lynch Snarfs mode. Unfortunately he's another fucking lurker right now. I need to hear more than 'Oh I'm going to be doing family things! Lynch VE bro's, here are some scummers that are a good choice. Luckily I have alllll day to question him. That is, if he'll respond. @Snarfs Hey Snarfs, Snarfypoo. Can I call you Snarfypoo? You know, you're playing this Mafia game right now and it would be really cool if you did things. Two things: Why shouldn't I lynch you right now? and Top scumreads, minus VE. I know your stance on him. Give reasoning. Be cool and awesome like that. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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