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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 11 2013 06:29 GMT
#1081
Yamato, thoughts on my posts on VE?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 06:44 GMT
#1082
Yeah, CNY=me very busy so therefore steep drop in activity.

I can get with a Snarfs lynch, he did nothing during the nominations at all.
Reads:
Scum:
Snarf
Prp

Nothing else really stands out at this time that I didnt already state.
slOosh, are you gonna play the game or just slid back into lurking now that the pressure is off
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 06:56 GMT
#1083
I like how yamato accused me of being scum when there is nothing other than a drop of activity to suggest so.
Someone quick to jump to conclusions eh?
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 07:10 GMT
#1084
Oats, I cant stop you from pursuing who you want to scum hunt.

I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried.

For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment:
#1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth
#2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 07:15 GMT
#1085
lol, so you dont think Snarf and Prp are scum?

Your reasons for both of them are not cause they are scum, its cause they havent answered all the questions levied at them? Isnt that kinda of a shitty reason to focus on them?
No gg, No skill.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 11 2013 07:24 GMT
#1086
Can someone please summarize the points against me so I can address them? I'm sorry but as I've alluded to before, this weekend is very busy for me with family as it is the family day long weekend in BC and I'm away from home visiting my dad. I'm still down with Yamato, Oats, and Ve. My preference is VE > Oats > Yamato.

To summarize while I have time:
VE: not scum hunting like normal, placing wishy washy votes and not really caring. Not giving good reasoning for actions.
Oats: No reason for town to attempt to discredit prplhz like he did, whether prplhz is town or scum doesn't matter, Oats deliberately attempted to mislead us with his quotes.
Yamato: similar feeling as VE, doesn't seem to be trying to find scum, more just playing the "see what gets me by card".

If anyone doesn't have a good enough argument for these people though, I will gladly address their questions when I find time tomorrow.

##Vote VisceraEyes
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 07:34 GMT
#1087
On February 11 2013 16:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol, so you dont think Snarf and Prp are scum?

Your reasons for both of them are not cause they are scum, its cause they havent answered all the questions levied at them? Isnt that kinda of a shitty reason to focus on them?


I am not saying Snarf/prplhz are not scum at all.

I am saying:
If you pressure 4-5 guys at the same time, maybe only 2 (if you're lucky 3) respond. Then the remaining 2 guys walk away and get forgotten.

Hence, I think it is best to concentrate of 2 (max 3) guys; get the results we need, and then move on to the next target.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 07:35 GMT
#1088
Snarf is so scummy.

No reason for me to 'discredit Prp'?
Where did I 'discredit' him?

Snarfs why are you not scum?

Also, why is Prp not scum then Snarfs?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 07:37 GMT
#1089
Its just that you are focusing on different people than me Mocsta, so Im not gonna pressure 5 people.

Also, respond to the second part.
Why are both of them scummy?
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 07:42 GMT
#1090
On February 11 2013 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its just that you are focusing on different people than me Mocsta, so Im not gonna pressure 5 people.

Also, respond to the second part.
Why are both of them scummy?

I see your point of view; and as long as you feel you can follow through with your pressure fine.
Just note that you said before with CNY you are VERY busy - so I think it is reasonable to NOT expect follow through with the pressure.


As for yam/VE being scum; I have stated my opinion on the matter; yam is my joint #1 scum read. And I am awaiting his response to the pressure put forth.

On February 11 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:
Oats, I cant stop you from pursuing who you want to scum hunt.

I can just make a plea that town focuses on targeting a maximum of two targets simultaneously- otherwise the thread will become cluttered, and questions/answers may become buried.

For, the two candidates I would like pressured at the moment:
#1 Yamato - as he has not sufficiently addressed what has been put forth
#2 VE - as quite a few other people have addressed pressure his way and I do not recall it being defended.

I think this is pretty clear to be frank. I am not struggling with what does not make sense?

Hopefully the above will suffice.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 07:44 GMT
#1091
Oats:
On February 11 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote:
Good to know you're alive.

Do you know what the situation is with replacements? i.e. Are you getting modkilled?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 11 2013 07:46 GMT
#1092
Um Im posting so no?
Like lol k Mocsta.

Im struggling to understand how not answering questions makes them your n1 scum read.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 07:55 GMT
#1093
On February 11 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Um Im posting so no?
Like lol k Mocsta.

Im struggling to understand how not answering questions makes them your n1 scum read.

Dude, don't be a Snarfs...read the thread; I am not going to summarise what has already been stated.

Either way; why are you trying to banter with me? If I am a town read of yours; you're cluttering the thread arguing with me; and not providing any benefit for it.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 11 2013 09:10 GMT
#1094
GG guys, sorry I fell sick early day 1 and didn't recover until late saturday-ish. So yeah, couldn't be at my computer much during that time.
Computer says mafia
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#1095
Guys im going to bed.

This has been a painful 12 hrs. Hopefully the USA shift has a bit more to add.

I know I suggested before to only pressure 2/3 people, but that was based on people actually responding. This is basically the first post in almost 6 hours.

Town, we still outnumber scum; please dont allow them to lurk in the shadows
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
February 11 2013 16:06 GMT
#1096
On February 11 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
im still keen to vote phagga; and I still dont like his response(s) to the scum slip catch. I still think it was genuine as per
(scum slip written on phone)

However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues.


Mocsta, which points are you referring to? I'm kinda confused on what you mean.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
February 11 2013 16:07 GMT
#1097
EBWOP issues, not points, sorry I lack sleep currently
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
February 11 2013 16:32 GMT
#1098
I have lined out why I think yamato is scum, as a short summary the main points are his behaviour at the start of the games as pointed out here, the fact that he does not want to share his reads for unknown reasons although he has developed them (see his post here) and the way he backed down from his case on Mocsta (see here, I wrote about it here in the last part of my post).

##Vote Yamato




I read up on Jay. The impression I have is that he has not done anything really in this game, and has no reads. I will be interested to see what scum reads he has. He also failed to answer why his read on prplhz changed, and as others pointed out his actions around the palmar lynch are very odd. I'm leaning scum on him, but feel unsure.

I'm currently writing up a post on VE, but have to catch a train. It should be online in a few hours.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
February 11 2013 16:40 GMT
#1099
Yamato
Because Jay said that Palmar said so


I haven't really given a serious look at Yamato until today. I initially wrote him off, because he was the towniest Yamato I've ever seen. In our history, he was always flaming with bias and emotionally posting. He drove the JX lynch home, but it was more lazy posting instead of emotional. This game he is more level-headed, and I just kinda threw a 'leaning town' stamp on him and let it be. Palmar apparently was going for something with Yamato, and Jay just reiterated it. I still think it is bad how Jay went after Yamato like that, but I have to consider that maybe he / Palmar are right.

I'm filter diving and coming to my own conclusions on Yamato.

On Jay's points: Yamato's flip-flop on Mocsta

From Jay's case, I found it hard to get the grip on this point (he was basically summarizing). The first two pages on his filter are anti-Mocsta and then suddenly out of nowhere is:
On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.

With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.

Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.

I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.

I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.


His Mocsta alignment case wasn't getting any traction, so he switches base. This IS a bit odd. Especially for Yamato. The Yamato I know was always ridden with tunneling and never let up. Conceding his position is, from what I'd consider, unlikely for town Yamato.

Also, this is bad reasoning for a town Mocsta from him:
On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. -snip-

Both alignments respond to cases. A matter of effort is not alignment indicative.

JX Vote

On February 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also,

##Unvote
##Vote JieXian


Or however you spell his name.


Where was JX before in Yamato's thinking? I completely missed this tbh. Not much to say about it other than lolwut.

List post:

On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote:
In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it.

TOWN

Oats
Sloosh
VE
Mocsta
Jay
Prplhz
CC

NULL
Djo
Phagga

MAFIA
Palmar
JX
Snarfs

The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo.

I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them.


Lists are scummy brah. I have no idea why he thinks I'm town: We've barely even talked. I think our interactions are null at this stage? I don't recall him taking a look at me. Why is he writing me off as town? I'm less concerned about his scumreads, because those conclusions can come from either alignment. I just don't know why certain people have earned the Yamato green stamp of approval.

Prphlz town read:

On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438

This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter?

Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game.


Show nested quote +
On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.

Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.

Alright going to read page 15 now.

But seriously, quit it and do something else.


This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX.


Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:
On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?

Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that.

Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please.


This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green.


Mainly a meta case and two quotes saying that he's pro town. Why doesn't Yamato think he can be mafia faking this sentiment? Eeerrrr it's such an easy thing to just slap this town label on someone and never rethink it. The only time I played scum was with Debears, and he did this stuff to me all the time. Beefed up my townie image by defending me and saying I was pro-town because 'insert midly townish post here'. It may be the same case here.

Yamato Today

On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.

Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.

So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.

##Vote Snarfs

As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.

Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.

For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.

Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.

If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on.


Even if Snarfs fits that bill, this is a shitty reason to be voting people alone. I don't agree that we should be looking mainly at activity from the nomination lynch. It's like a cop-out on forming decent reads... Also, he just calls me blendy and null reads me when I ask him to look into me. Seriously, I give him a GOLDEN opportunity to get some information about me, which I will respond to. He just null reads like a boss. Why doesn't he want to snuggle up with me and get to know each other? Town Yamato loves to interact / cuddle with me. Scum Yamato is afraid because he knows I'll call him out on his BS.

I'd consider lynching Yamato today.

My gut tells me to go all wagon of justice lynch Snarfs mode. Unfortunately he's another fucking lurker right now. I need to hear more than 'Oh I'm going to be doing family things! Lynch VE bro's, here are some scummers that are a good choice. Luckily I have alllll day to question him. That is, if he'll respond.

@Snarfs

Hey Snarfs, Snarfypoo. Can I call you Snarfypoo? You know, you're playing this Mafia game right now and it would be really cool if you did things.

Two things: Why shouldn't I lynch you right now?

and

Top scumreads, minus VE. I know your stance on him. Give reasoning. Be cool and awesome like that.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
February 11 2013 16:42 GMT
#1100
Everyone better not just slap their vote on Yamato and afk today. If we mislynch today, we're in a terrible situation. I encourage everyone to not just look at the 'lolYamatoisscum' wagon. There are four, count them, four scum in this lot. Find the other 3.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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