Nomination Mafia - Page 54

On February 11 2013 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote:


To me, this post reads as him softclaiming town.
He is like, scum dont want to call people town. I am calling someone town, therefore I am not scum.
Also, he says that he wants to lynch Mr CC, and doesnt ask him any questions about anything. Prp has been reactive this whole game and not proactive. Reactive is a scumtell.

On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:
I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much.

Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows.


I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least.

I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.

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Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum:



It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town:



And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever.

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prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why:

He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself.

Examples:








The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him.

Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?

Anyway, more later if I have time.

On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?

I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff.

On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.

With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.

Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.

I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.

I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.

On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk.

On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.

Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.

So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.

##Vote Snarfs

As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.

Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.

For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.

Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.

If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on.

On February 11 2013 12:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Cant sleep phone posting from bed and keep refreshing lol... I agree we should look at palmars reads. but lets not take them as some holy grail of truth, just into consideration. Jay, i think you fail to see why palmar was lynched. activity basically
... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing.

hey oats. pie or cheesecake?

On February 11 2013 13:12 jaybrundage wrote:

Ok we wont take them as a holy grail of truth. Just interpret if its like a bible from the Nordic town god.

Also first you state that i have no standing in calling it a scum driven wagon. Then you concede that scum probably are on it.
But then you go on to say that it won't help if we point fingers for voting palmar.

But on that point you would be completely wrong. We can use Palmar's lynch as a reference point to narrowing scum candidates. Im not falling into any trap. The nominations are a very town favored concept. We need to use it to our advantage we now have twice the amount of lynches to analyze.

On February 11 2013 13:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Finally some pressure Mocsta.

Im actually attacking the evidence though, because all the evidence is cus palmar said so (which is bad reasoning). Although the part about why yamato wants to lynch lurkers was original because it just happened. This case does not make me think jay is scummier / townier than before, the case is just bad because it's crux lies o n palmar being correct in his read.

But yeah, i was just infuriated by that case becauseis putting all the marbles in one basket. Palmars basket. It seems like a risky lynch, and im surprised nobody else sees that

On February 11 2013 13:19 yamato77 wrote:
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Should I have included the post of jay's where he claims to have no reads? And all the ones he admits that he's just waiting on Palmar to post so he can sheep him?

Yeah...

On February 11 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Also Yamato yes im sheep palmar from the grave.

UMADBRO?

On February 11 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:
As an aside, if jay really does suspect yamato; I would like to see a follow case introducing more of his own thoughts.

On February 11 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote:


Jay

On February 11 2013 14:16 jaybrundage wrote:
Actually speaking of Mocsta whats your opinion on Yamato?

On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?

I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff.

On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.

On February 11 2013 13:19 yamato77 wrote:
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Should I have included the post of jay's where he claims to have no reads? And all the ones he admits that he's just waiting on Palmar to post so he can sheep him?

Yeah...