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Yeah that got nixxed my bad. Cheese multiple times in his filter asks people to make a case on him, or "tunnel me bro"...with the intent to "get a better read on his accusers". That's too attention-whorey to be scummy. Not to mention he's one of like two people who have agreed with me on Snarfs like all game. I'm just not interested in lynching Cheese.
Also, this is a minor point, but something that pretty well seals my read of him:
On February 08 2013 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay just got back from work... town flip eh... I should have went with my gut srsly.
So who the heck are the lynch candidates? It's nightime, so that means we lynch one of the 3 targets scum chose beforehand?
And Mocsta, Snarfs wasn't the only one who 'resisted' the JX lynch, prplhz did as well. I just remember his going like "zomg this guy is prolly town wtf r u doin' bruh" when I left.
On February 08 2013 11:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh nvm there's a 24 hr dawn phase.
It occurs to me that scum would have been discussing nominations ALL DURING D1. It just seems a little too crafty of Cheese to fake ignorance of the setup like this if he's scum.
Regarding yamato, I'll filter him. I haven't read much on yamato to be honest.
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On February 12 2013 09:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that got nixxed my bad. Cheese multiple times in his filter asks people to make a case on him, or "tunnel me bro"...with the intent to "get a better read on his accusers". That's too attention-whorey to be scummy. Not to mention he's one of like two people who have agreed with me on Snarfs like all game. I'm just not interested in lynching Cheese.
Also, this is a minor point, but something that pretty well seals my read of him:
I disagree. Asking people to discourse is not a town tell at all. Its an easy way to gain town cred; so i am surprised you have given CC the green light based on this type of justification.
Further, people agreeing with your lynch candidates, is not indicative of town alignment either
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
So far, all I have seen are null tells; which you are construing as "sealed" town read.
Regarding yamato, I'll filter him. I haven't read much on yamato to be honest.
I welcome your read on yamato, hopefully there is more substance than the above.
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@Mocsta what do you think of my scum team guess :o
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JB
I saw on the spready,
Unclear: ?phagga?, prplhz
Light Scum: Djo, Oats, Cheesecake
Heavy Scum: yamato, snarfs, VE
But your post list is
VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz
VE: I am really starting to dislike if you couldnt tell by my last post to him
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch.
Snarfs: One thing in Snarfs favour is early game I asked for his read on a post from VE. Even though he already voted VE, he said the tell was "null".. This at least shows he is not 100% tunneled in his approach. I think Snarfs problem may have been he pushed his scum reads before establishing his innocence.
Overall Jay, I am behind yam or VE today; im fuckn annoyed yam chose not to comment over night. Thats a pretty damn big indicator based on his track record.
Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion.
If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop.
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On February 12 2013 11:09 Mocsta wrote:JBI saw on the spready, Unclear: ?phagga?, prplhz Light Scum: Djo, Oats, Cheesecake Heavy Scum: yamato, snarfs, VE But your post list is VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz
VE: I am really starting to dislike if you couldnt tell by my last post to him Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter. Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. Snarfs: One thing in Snarfs favour is early game I asked for his read on a post from VE. Even though he already voted VE, he said the tell was "null".. This at least shows he is not 100% tunneled in his approach. I think Snarfs problem may have been he pushed his scum reads before establishing his innocence.
Overall Jay, I am behind yam or VE today; im fuckn annoyed yam chose not to comment over night. Thats a pretty damn big indicator based on his track record. Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop.
Phagga: Ok so me clearing phagga was partly due to Palmar yes that is true. But it's not like we dont have scummier candidates either
Prplhz: I have prplhz as possible scum still.
Djo: Djo is a null tell at this point as he has posted no content.
Oats/CC: Oats and CC are scum because they have avoided the radar and stopped giving there opinions on things after town didn't suspect them. They haven't been under suspicion at all recently and they use it. To do nothing, That is a giant scum tell in my eyes.
Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch.
Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit.
The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell.
Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all.
Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch.
You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you. 
Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop.
appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or
That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert
Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either.
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Just a heads up, I still haven't found a replacement for Djodref, if I don't find one by the end of this cycle I'll probably have to modkill him
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On February 12 2013 11:59 GMarshal wrote:
Just a heads up, I still haven't found a replacement for Djodref, if I don't find one by the end of this cycle I'll probably have to modkill him
DO IT NOW :D
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What in the actual fuck Jay, why would you want to modkill a player?
Also, I explained why my activity dropped off a cliff already.
I agree with all of VE's reads. So either I am bad and getting played by scum, or VE is bussing all his teammates, or VE is town.
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What would you say the main points against me are?
I don't spend a lot of time caring about defending myself. Whoopie. I never do. You're not going to lynch me for that.
I think about other people's reads when considering the lynch candidacy of one of my reads. Who doesn't? If I only push one scum read a day and don't consider other people who are also scummy that other people want to lynch, what good does that do for town?
I only have scum reads on "lurkers". Not true. Activity level is a part of people's general meta, but my case on Snarfs includes the fact that his activity shows a disinterest in the affairs of town, espcially on day 2, which I think is obviously scummy when you consider the possibility of three town players being up for the lynch, as I outlined earlier. I'm not lynching them for not posting, I'm lynching them because their inactivity is INDICATIVE of a MAFIA MENTALITY.
Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. When I look at who I want to lynch, I first consider my own reads, and then the reads of people that I think are town. If there's a correlation, then it becomes obvious to me that I should push that read as the lynch. If you think this is mafia mentality, then I guess I'll only ever disagree with town and never agree to lynching someone other people want to lynch. Hipster-town-mode ENGAGED.
Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that.
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Sup honorary cohost here :D
Vote Count
Snarfs: Mr.Cheesecake, Yamato77, VisceraEyes
Yamato77: JayBrundage, Phagga
VisceraEyes: Snarfs, SlOosh
Mr.Cheesecake: Prplhz
Prplhz: VisceraEyes
Have not voted: Djodref, Mocsta, Oatsmaster,
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The fact that I'm getting called out for doing "jack shit" is a damn lie.
Stop being a sheep, jay.
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On February 12 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
What in the actual fuck Jay, why would you want to modkill a player?
Also, I explained why my activity dropped off a cliff already.
I agree with all of VE's reads. So either I am bad and getting played by scum, or VE is bussing all his teammates, or VE is town.
Zomg hey look guys its Oats actively lurking coming out of the shadows to fling more crap at me. Hey Oats how about you stop asking dumb questions and post some content. I just reread your filter its god damn 1 liner city. 3 lines if you feeling lucky. What is this crap how can you even pretend your town. With all this meaningless crap in your filter?
Hell this post is just calling me out for something dumb. And then saying how much you love scum VE. VE has to bus one of his teammates at this point. I bet out of his three scum reads one might be scum. He's doing it so it isn't way to obvious who his scum partners are when he dies.
Also to answer your question its cause I want to know his alignment. Shouldn't that be obvious. You have not put any effort in this game it seems. You need to step it up or get lynched cause so far you are making your self cozy on my scum team list.
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@prphlz case
So I'm scum because I'm not posting 1 liners? The main reason I was able to get away with that in british was because i had a fancy doc claim up my butt. Those shenannies really werent beneficial to town at all anyway. Funny case you've got their sonny boy.
@"ur flip flop is scummy brah"
umad? Yamato was nullish leaning town before i really looked at him. I hated that jay was throwing palmar shit at him. filtered yamato, and thats what youve got. he hasnt responded to any of it but call it scummy, lol 
@jay
im not doing anything? You arent reading this game.
Snarfs case coming in tomorrow.
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@Yamato I don't wanna lynch Snarfs. Who's the next person on your list.
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@CC rofl you hard defended Yamato and then you backed the fuck up and accused yamato.
Im not reading this game?
On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.
RE you switch on Yamato looks scummmmmy. You changed your read like you had additional information that no one else has. You went from hard defending to hard pushing in a moment.
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Also Keep in mind guys. At this point Scum will be trying to bus as if one of there members falls then they have to try to create interaction and accusations and so forth I can already some bussing action going on already. Keep your mind open to the very real possibility of it happening.
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[QUOTE]On February 12 2013 12:22 jaybrundage wrote:
@CC rofl you hard defended Yamato and then you backed the fuck up and accused yamato.
Im not reading this game?
[QUOTE]On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.[/QUOTE]
RE you switch on Yamato looks scummmmmy. You changed your read like you had additional information that no one else has. You went from hard defending to hard pushing in a moment.
Lol k. Cool story you have there.
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On February 12 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony.
Dude, WTF is this shit. You vote me, I make a counter-case; you drop it.
You have issues with Jay; he makes counter-case; you drop it.
And you drop it without gving any reasons. Thats fuckn scummy and you know it.
Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
I think this is misleading information. I dont know much about your first scum game. But I know two things about your second scum game.
(1) You were playing Mafia LIX as a mason simultaneously
(2) You came in as a replacement for a false miller claim, and partnered with JX who was doing fuck all.
I can see clear reasons for lack of motivation in your second scum game. Hence, I dont know what to expect of you via scum meta, and instead choose to judge by what actions in your filter.
Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that.
We're all putting in effort and figuring things out yam; dont get on a high horse like your shit doesnt stink.
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Learn to suck it up Jay, people wont always agree with you.
Hell this post is just calling me out for something dumb. And then saying how much you love scum VE. VE has to bus one of his teammates at this point. I bet out of his three scum reads one might be scum. He's doing it so it isn't way to obvious who his scum partners are when he dies.
If you want to say im scum you can go look at my games when im town and i legit straight up sheep palmar.
Its my town meta bro.
So your town meta is sucking at the game. Cool.
So Jay, I am not sure what you mean by 'I can see the bussing going on already'
Care to elaborate with examples?
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On February 12 2013 12:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote:
Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. Dude, WTF is this shit. You vote me, I make a counter-case; you drop it. You have issues with Jay; he makes counter-case; you drop it. And you drop it without gving any reasons. Thats fuckn scummy and you know it. Show nested quote +
Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
I think this is misleading information. I dont know much about your first scum game. But I know two things about your second scum game. (1) You were playing Mafia LIX as a mason simultaneously (2) You came in as a replacement for a false miller claim, and partnered with JX who was doing fuck all. I can see clear reasons for lack of motivation in your second scum game. Hence, I dont know what to expect of you via scum meta, and instead choose to judge by what actions in your filter. Show nested quote +Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that. We're all putting in effort and figuring things out yam; dont get on a high horse like your shit doesnt stink.
Stop being dumb, jay made no "counter-case". He's just a sheep of Palmar. I am realizing this as I go along. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and do something productive besides argue with people endlessly this game. Your amount of analysis is pathetically low in this post.
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