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On August 04 2013 07:52 Cyro wrote:Pretty much any modern card can run 2 screens np, it's not even noticable resource-wise unless you're trying to run the game across both screens at twice the resolution
Thank you, sir. My only other concern is that I've heard the anti-glare coating is a bit much. I guess I won't really be able to know unless I can find it in a local store.
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If you'd prefer less antiglare, supposedly the AH-IPS panels have less. Some semi-glossy options have even less. And there are glossy options.
LG IPS234V-PN (matte but not as heavy, flimsy stand with only tilt, VESA mount, slower but not really slow pixel response)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005364
Asus VG23AH (semi-glossy, height-adjustable, VESA mount, passive 3D support, adjustable and good pixel overdrive and responsiveness; some report seeing gray lines I think if using glasses)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236262
Dell S2340M (glossy, flimsy stand with only tilt, no VESA mount, some excessive overshoot leading to some reverse ghosting)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260109
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On August 04 2013 09:22 Myrmidon wrote:If you'd prefer less antiglare, supposedly the AH-IPS panels have less. Some semi-glossy options have even less. And there are glossy options. LG IPS234V-PN (matte but not as heavy, flimsy stand with only tilt, VESA mount, slower but not really slow pixel response) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005364Asus VG23AH (semi-glossy, height-adjustable, VESA mount, passive 3D support, adjustable and good pixel overdrive and responsiveness; some report seeing gray lines I think if using glasses) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236262Dell S2340M (glossy, flimsy stand with only tilt, no VESA mount, some excessive overshoot leading to some reverse ghosting) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260109
I'm really not sure what I'd prefer. I do have one window somewhat behind my computer so I don't think a completely glossy screen would be suitable. I'm just not sure how bad it is on the U2312 because I've been used to my monitor for so long. It's a Viewsonic 2260WM from 2009 I believe. Definitely a more matte type finish but since I am so used to this monitor I might just not realize how bad (or good) it is. Regardless, any decent IPS panel should put this old ass TN panel to shame. I'll probably end up getting the U2312 next time it goes on sale somewhere for under 200.
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Hey all,
I just built my own Desktop and the last piece of the puzzle is the monitor. I have done my own research, but I am not 100% on anything. I just want to make sure I get something that will be able to best utilize the vid card that i have.
I am running i7 processor with the EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card.
I am hoping to stay in the $200-$300 price range if possible. I have looked at the Acer S242HLbid which i can get for 199.99, or the Dell UltraSharp U2412M. I just want to make sure I make the right choice.
Any advice, opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
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I don't really see the point in that Acer when U2312HM and equivalent IPS screens are the same price.
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Hey guys! It is finally time to shop for a new monitor. I have been using an ancient 1600x1200 (16:10) monitor that I do love but its time for change. I could not even tell you the name of this thing. Reason I need to change is when I'm making video's on my computer I get large black bars on the side and its because the monitor is 16:10. Plus I got $500 on Quill! That money expires and I would like to use it before I can't anymore.
I'm using a MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB with an i7 processor if those two things account for anything. If I could, I prefer a monitor with little to no input lag (Last thing I want is the expierence I get when I plug an xbox into certain TV's) and not a lot of reflection. My current monitor has none but I think that is because it was made a long time ago. Back then my current monitor was state of the art  . But I do have to stick to Quill, I;m hopeful that there is something that fits this mold (I'm a monitor noob so I have no idea.)
Thanks though! Hopefully someone has some good suggestions.
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Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new monitor. I've been hearing great things about the Asus VG23AH. I'm curious, does running it at 72hz void the warranty? Are there any other IPS monitors which allow for 72hz or is the VG23AH considered the best for its price range? Thanks!
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On August 07 2013 14:04 Vinski wrote:Hey guys! It is finally time to shop for a new monitor. I have been using an ancient 1600x1200 (16:10) monitor that I do love but its time for change. I could not even tell you the name of this thing. Reason I need to change is when I'm making video's on my computer I get large black bars on the side and its because the monitor is 16:10. Plus I got $500 on Quill! That money expires and I would like to use it before I can't anymore. I'm using a MSI GeForce GTX 660 2GB with an i7 processor if those two things account for anything. If I could, I prefer a monitor with little to no input lag (Last thing I want is the expierence I get when I plug an xbox into certain TV's) and not a lot of reflection. My current monitor has none but I think that is because it was made a long time ago. Back then my current monitor was state of the art . But I do have to stick to Quill, I;m hopeful that there is something that fits this mold (I'm a monitor noob so I have no idea.) Thanks though! Hopefully someone has some good suggestions.
Very, very sorry about the late response. If you're looking at Quill...a lot of monitors in the OP are available from it. Something like the PB238Q is perfectly fine and comes with very nice features like height adjustment.
On August 09 2013 14:09 quantumcat wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new monitor. I've been hearing great things about the Asus VG23AH. I'm curious, does running it at 72hz void the warranty? Are there any other IPS monitors which allow for 72hz or is the VG23AH considered the best for its price range? Thanks!
72hz doesn't void the warranty because how would they know?
There are other monitors that allow more than 60hz but the VG23AH is already one of the best 60hz monitors on the market. 72hz support just makes it even better.
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Thoughts on the 144Hz monitors by BenQ and Asus?
Will be building a new gaming rig soon and am looking for a 24 inch monitor. Anything under $400 is worth considering.
Will be running on a i5 4670 and a GTX 770.
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Those BenQ and Asus monitors are supposed to be very similar, other than the useless image mode features that you probably don't want to use anyway. They're using similar panels and whatnot. You probably just want whichever is cheaper, which is probably Asus.
If the games you play are mostly of the non-really-fast variety where higher fps doesn't matter as much and if you're not after the last bit of performance at any cost, it could be better overall to get a decent IPS or even *VA panel instead. The 120+ Hz monitors are good at motion performance—at least the models without excessive overdrive and thus too much reverse ghosting—but the overall image is tainted by the usual TN color shifts even when viewing straight on. It's a matter of priorities and what you need.
If you do go for a 120+ Hz monitor, make sure to get something that works with LightBoost.
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Indeed, Lightboost is everything. And some people are bothered by different things, if you're like me, 60hz on a random monitor vs decent 120/144hz lightboost is probably night and day, whereas TN color shifts (whatever they are) dont matter to you. For others, they can't tell the difference between 60hz and 120/144 supposedly (however with lightboost.. it should be extremely obvious), but colors and stuff like that are very important to them
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Doesn't yet warrant its own thread, but I'll share some experiences with buying a Korean IPS monitor. I might compile a bunch of information into a thread, but I haven't yet tried to overclock mine and I want that experience under my belt before I do so (simply put, the new models sold post-2012 are supposedly impossible to really OC, and I want to verify this). There is a lot of information available if you intend to take the plunge into the murky waters of foreign eBay vendors.
For the uninitiated: There is a Korean marketplace for extremely cheap ($250-$400) but high quality ($700-$1000+) IPS monitors. This eBay market is getting more and more attention and is getting quite large, with more sellers joining the scene all the time. These are high quality, low-lag, high-response-time, sometimes-possible-to-overclock 27" 1440p IPS monitors that come in 60hz and (more expensive) 120hz variants, great for gaming as well as graphics design.
So what's the catch?
You're ordering from Some Guy In Korea, with all the "warranty" that entails, and you're restricted to single-input models (dual-link DVI), especially for gaming. The multi-input models have terrible scalers and awful color contrast at high brightness settings. Getting a multi-input model is definitely buyer beware.
There are various models that are popular right now -- the Qnix QX2710, the Achieva QH270, the Crossover 27Q, and the fan favorite the Yamakasi Catleap Q270. All of these have a Monitor Club thread on Overclock.net -- here's the one for the Catleap as an example.
It's generally considered that all sellers on eBay are reputable in terms of shipping and general build quality. They use the same panels and sell the same types of monitors, and at that point it comes down to who will give you the better deals or (for what it's worth) warranty. Still, there are some sellers that are considered top notch (even if they are a bit more expensive), so if you're worried about quality, get a monitor from green-sum or dream-seller. They're highly respected, top sellers on eBay with tens of thousands of sales that also offer free worldwide shipping. Things are looking very good.
And then you read stats like these, which show that 6% of people who buy a Catleap get a faulty panel or dead pixels, and you start asking yourself if you're feeling lucky, punk.
The problem is, depending on the vendor, you can have as many as 10 dead pixels and you will still not be eligible for a return or refund. This is simply the law in South Korea, and the eBay sellers can't really do anything about this. They buy the monitors and then sell them on eBay, and a lot of them do not open the box to check the monitor before shipping (dream-seller); only a few of them do (green-sum) and even then they usually have very relaxed rules regarding dead pixels. There are no guarantees.
This is where buying a Perfect Pixel monitor comes in handy. Most sellers sell two "types" of the same monitor, with the only real difference being the warranty. If you buy a "regular" "version", you can have several dead pixels in the center and/or 10+ around the edges and you won't be able to get a replacement, whereas if you buy a Perfect Pixel "version", more than 1 dead pixel in the center area and ~5 around the edges equals a guaranteed refund.
Knowing this, I decided my first buy would be a "Pixel Perfect" Yamakasi Catleap Q270 from green-sum. Specifically, I bought this one. At $397 it's a bit more expensive than the cheapest ones you can find (a quick eBay search for Yamakasi Catleap found hits as low as $320 on the first page alone), but the Perfect Pixel warranty gave me some peace of mind.
Depending on where you live, there may also be an extra bill to front in the form of an import tax. This will come later -- mine came almost two weeks later, in fact, and asked for a pretty hefty $100 -- but that's Norway for you. Electronics above a certain price gets taxed pretty hard, and if you live somewhere more sane you might not get one at all.
All told, my monitor I bought from Some Guy In Korea came in at about $500, and was delivered incredibly quickly to my doorstep by a smiling delivery man. It was a risky purchase, and I was apprehensive.
And I was rewarded with the best monitor I have ever owned in my life. Score!
No dead pixels, it doesn't radiate much heat compared to other monitors I've owned, the input lag is insignificant (numbers on these monitors range from 8-16ms according to rigorous tests), and the picture quality is superb.
But, the stand.
Oh, god, the stand.
Sweet merciful christ on an electric bicycle the stand.
Buy a new stand.
For the love of Cthulhu's Mangled Penis, buy a new stand.
It's the fucking Yamakasi Catleap Bobble-Head 2000.
That aside, this is an all-around gorgeous monitor. Ever see a 27" iMac? Same panel, basically the same monitor. If it came with a better warranty, I would recommend it to everyone. Hell, as it is, I still recommend it to everyone as long as they know what they're getting into, and as long as they feel they could bear the disappointment should they end up being one of the unlucky 6%, and if you're worried about excessive dead pixels or quality, get a Perfect Pixel from one of the bigger and more reputable sellers. You probably won't need to, but it's your call.
There are definitely other monitors to consider. The Catleap has been a fan favorite for a long time because of the solid panel and the fact that fewer Catleaps have problems compared to some other models. However, there are some new contenders on the market.
I were to get a monitor now, I would seriously consider the Qnix QX2710 Evolution II. This is a beast -- the input lag is the same as the Catleap from what I can tell, the refresh rate is great, and as a PLS monitor it can easily overclock to 100+hz with no problems, usually to 110hz and some times to 120hz. The new Catleaps can't do this, and getting a 120hz Catleap is very expensive these days because of high demand. You can read up on it @ Overclock.net, but the OP has zero information so far and it's hard to find stats for it (270 page thread with no summary, haha), so if you want you can just wait for me to get around to it.
Uh, shit. This kind of became a wall-o-text. Sorry.
Like I said, this is more my thoughts and experiences rather than an actual primer on the different monitors, sellers, panels etc., so I don't think it really warrants its own OP yet. Hopefully it can be useful to some people, though. Might add more info later, might not, might make an OP, might not, depends on the interest and if I end up getting the QX2710 I guess.
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Thank you for this post :D
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So I finally decided to get a 2nd Montitor after juggling around with windows and trying to fit in a Video/Stream while still browsing. :o I look for something around 100€ - my choices so far (all 21.5")
LG Electronics Flatron E2242T-BN ~88€
ASUS VH228D ~ 98€
Samsung SyncMaster S22B150N ~107€
So what?
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Does anyone have any firsthand experience with 4K monitors? I saw this one from IBM (essentially a 22.2" 4K) on Amazon and was surprised it was only $999 shipped.
I'm not in the market for one at the moment, but I'm still investigating and theorizing fantasizing. I suppose that games and OSs still need some time to adapt to higher res monitors as well.
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What's a good 27 inch IPS monitor? Will be using it primarily for movies but will be gaming on it temporarily while I figure out a way to get a 144Hz monitor.
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On August 16 2013 18:09 S_SienZ wrote:
What's a good 27 inch IPS monitor? Will be using it primarily for movies but will be gaming on it temporarily while I figure out a way to get a 144Hz monitor.
Read my post on this very page for information on what are definitely the cheapest and best value 27" IPS monitors available. Mind you, it is a small risk.
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