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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 20 2013 21:45 GMT
#1161
Could you elaborate?

Memory Express from my experience is significantly faster than any retailer. I typically order in the morning and afternoon, and it ships within three hours. It's actually scary how fast they do it when the other retailers takes a day or more. Friends say the same thing. Only complaint is that their stock sucks donkey balls.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 22:11:28
August 20 2013 22:06 GMT
#1162
On August 21 2013 06:45 skyR wrote:
Could you elaborate?

Memory Express from my experience is significantly faster than any retailer. I typically order in the morning and afternoon, and it ships within three hours. It's actually scary how fast they do it when the other retailers takes a day or more. Friends say the same thing. Only complaint is that their stock sucks donkey balls.

Meh maybe I judged too quickly. I ordered Sunday, called earlier today, gave my order number, she had an accent I didn't recognize and was like "it's in process", "it should ship today" or something. Then around 5:30 PM I sent an e-mail, which was answered really quickly, apparently even though the online store showed 4 units when I ordered, they were a lie. Now it's out stock and they only have 2 open boxes, which they said they could ship tonight if I responded quickly, but I don't want a 5% discount for an open box monitor... Ew, not taking that gamble.

But yeah I'm waiting on a stock transfer and the guy assured me through emails that he would make sure my order shipped tomorrow. So I'll see tomorrow... I just wish the stock checker thing hadn't lied to me in the first place. Had I known it was actually out of stock, I would've ordered from somewhere else.

I probably wouldn't have complained if I had been informed that the thing would be delayed due to a stock transfer, preferably through e-mail, but the lady on the phone really should have informed me!


And yes their stock sucks, I was tempted to buy my next PC from them because the price match 25% thing adds up nicely, but they're just always out of stock of some parts of my hypothetical system. I prefer buying the whole thing from one place, so it'll likely be NCIX again.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 23:44:13
August 21 2013 23:42 GMT
#1163
Looking at

http://www.ipsledmonitors.com/QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-II-Monitor-p/qni1.htm

For a 1440p 27" monitor at $329+50.

How far down does the U2713HM go for on sale? O:

http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs&sku=210-40773&redirect=1

that's an aussie link :3

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Gaming_Accessories/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&sku=225-4015&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=0&~ck=baynoteSearch
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-21 23:46:19
August 21 2013 23:45 GMT
#1164
Lowest price has been $530 (or $540, don't remember) a month ago during the Deals of the Day.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
August 23 2013 07:10 GMT
#1165
I can get a u2713HM for around 300 USD through a friend who works with Dell or a Qnix for the going price on ebay, usually around 290 USD. Should I just get the dell or is the input lag reduction and overclocking worth it to get the Qnix?
...
Celeritas
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia52 Posts
August 23 2013 07:30 GMT
#1166
I don't have any experience with any of the Korean 2560x1440 screens, but the advantages you get from the Dell U2713HM are:
1. Return warranty
2. Adjustable stand
3. USB ports
4. Colour-calibrated out of the box (by choosing the correct mode)
5. HDMI input

Dell's warranty gives you some peace of mind, knowing that you can get a replacement if your monitor is faulty is nice. That, and the latest revision of the U2713HM seems to be fault-free (mine is at least). An adjustable stand is only important if you don't use VESA mounts, or don't have some other way to put your monitor at eye-level. USB ports are a luxury, might be nice if you keep your PC tucked away under your desk. The colour calibration is a big plus, as most people don't have access to calibration tools. The HDMI is another luxury, but definitely useful if you want to be able to plug a console or blu-ray player into your monitor.

In my opinion, with the Dell only costing $10 more for you, it's a no-brainer. I personally don't notice the Dell having any input lag issues, but I've never experienced a > 60Hz refresh rate.
Predje
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium12 Posts
August 27 2013 10:49 GMT
#1167
Getting a new screen soon and I've narrowed it down to the following:

Dell Ultrasharp U2312Hm
Asus VG23AH

Can get both for the same price, just wondering which one is best, or even if there are any better options around the same price :D
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 28 2013 02:46 GMT
#1168
Hey y'all! Having just built a new computer, I'm running it with a Dell P780. So I'm looking for a new monitor in the $100-130 range, but I'm not knowledgable on the subject (did read the TL OP and logical increments guide though). Eventually I just shored up a bunch of monitors in my price range that have good reviews in newegg, but I don't know how to differentiate between them. They are:

Asus
Vs238h-p
VS228h-p
Ve228h
Vh238h
Ve208t —resolution is 1600x900, I was wondering how significant that is?

Acer
S200HL Abd —1600x900
S220HQL ABD

Aoc
E2351f

HP
Lv2311
20xi —cheapest, 1600x900

Hanns-g
He225dpb

Sorry for the long and nooby post!
jjakji fan
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 03:17:42
August 28 2013 03:13 GMT
#1169
OK, i'm playing a fair bit of LoL as of late.

I want above 60 FPS. It is my understanding that to visibly see above 60FPS, one must move up to a 120hz monitor. Is this true?

I run a Gigabyte GTX 560 graphics card ( http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3932#sp ), on a Gigabyute GA-970A-D3 Ver.3 board with AMD FX-6200 at 4.0Ghz, 8GB DDR2 Ram, and a Kingston SSD.

I shop primarily at www.canadacomputers.com as they are the largest store in my city.

I prefer a 23-24" monitor, but I am also looking at 27" as I will be taking 3DCAD and CAD drawing for college.

Suggestions? Clarifications?
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 28 2013 03:25 GMT
#1170
On August 27 2013 19:49 Predje wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Getting a new screen soon and I've narrowed it down to the following:

Dell Ultrasharp U2312Hm
Asus VG23AH

Can get both for the same price, just wondering which one is best, or even if there are any better options around the same price :D

U2312HM and VG23AH at same price...

VG23AH has semi-glossy screen, passive 3D mode implementation that is supposedly pretty bad, some cases of people seeing cross hatching, adjustable pixel overdrive (so you can find the setting that best trades off between speed and then reverse ghosting artifacts), height/swivel/tilt adjustment.
U2312HM has heavy matte screen, some reverse ghosting artifacts, height/swivel/tilt/rotate adjustment.

Both should be similar LG eIPS 23.6" 1080p panels. It probably goes down to whether you prefer semi-glossy or matte screens.

On August 28 2013 11:46 slowbacontron wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hey y'all! Having just built a new computer, I'm running it with a Dell P780. So I'm looking for a new monitor in the $100-130 range, but I'm not knowledgable on the subject (did read the TL OP and logical increments guide though). Eventually I just shored up a bunch of monitors in my price range that have good reviews in newegg, but I don't know how to differentiate between them. They are:

Asus
Vs238h-p
VS228h-p
Ve228h
Vh238h
Ve208t —resolution is 1600x900, I was wondering how significant that is?

Acer
S200HL Abd —1600x900
S220HQL ABD

Aoc
E2351f

HP
Lv2311
20xi —cheapest, 1600x900

Hanns-g
He225dpb

Sorry for the long and nooby post!

Those are all cheapish TN panel monitors (except the 20xi and perhaps one or two models I don't recognize), which tend to be pretty similar in performance. Not much to distinguish them except the base, aesthetics, and brands. You get the inaccurate colors out of box, usual TN gamma shifting even at normal viewing angles. Some may or may not have too much or too little overdrive; nobody really knows for sure because nobody reviews these individual models. Note that the models with more newegg reviews are likely older and use CFL backlights rather than W-LED backlights, for what that's worth.

If you don't mind (or especially if you prefer) glossy screens and don't mind some overshoot on some transitions, there's the Dell S2240M for $130:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell---S-Series-21.5"-Widescreen-Flat-Panel-IPS-LED-HD-Monitor/6814843.p?id=1218807855400

On August 28 2013 12:13 Grimmyman123 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
OK, i'm playing a fair bit of LoL as of late.

I want above 60 FPS. It is my understanding that to visibly see above 60FPS, one must move up to a 120hz monitor. Is this true?

I run a Gigabyte GTX 560 graphics card ( http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3932#sp ), on a Gigabyute GA-970A-D3 Ver.3 board with AMD FX-6200 at 4.0Ghz, 8GB DDR2 Ram, and a Kingston SSD.

I shop primarily at www.canadacomputers.com as they are the largest store in my city.

Suggestions? Clarifications?

I think the best way to put it is that to be able to see more than 60 different things from the monitor per second, you need something with a refresh rate faster than 60 Hz, yes. (With a 60 Hz monitor and more than 60 fps, you can definitely see fragments of more than 60 different images, but it's only new stuff every 1/60 of a second at best.) With custom timings you can get some 60 Hz nominal LCD monitors a bit above that to a higher rate even at native resolution, but even on those models is more like 75 Hz than anything like 120 Hz.

LoL isn't particularly a fast kind of game where there are as many benefits from the higher refresh rate, but here are some options from Canadacomputers: VG236H, VG248QE, XL2420T.
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_1195_699_292&item_id=032642
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_1195_700_1103&item_id=057347
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_1195_700_1103&item_id=045300

Any of those should be okay. The latter two models are newer and a bit better I think? Also, the VG248QE and XL2420T support Nvidia LightBoost. If you were to ever upgrade to a newer Nvidia graphics card, you could use that to further improve perceived motion performance (less blurring, though technically slightly higher latency) through the strobing.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 03:51:55
August 28 2013 03:46 GMT
#1171
I want above 60 FPS. It is my understanding that to visibly see above 60FPS, one must move up to a 120hz monitor. Is this true?


This is one of the most complicated questions possible to ask in terms of computing that can be approached or asked from dozens of different angles, the whole deal with FPS and refresh rate, it's pretty much impossible to answer straight up, there's too many debates and sidetracky things

You can't see more than 60 refreshes per second on a 60hz monitor, but that doesn't mean you can't tell the difference between 60fps and 100fps or benefit from increasing, particularly in a volatile environment like a game (as opposed to an encoded movie)

If you're looking for more smoothness without adding input latency, if your FPS is already high (like in league, it's easy to have it flying into the hundreds and i think have good frametimes, though i didn't bench it yet) then the next step is a higher refresh rate monitor
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 28 2013 03:54 GMT
#1172
http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA
LB works on either AMD or nVidia cards now with ToastyX's Strobelight utility.

Utility still is in beta though, so can't really testify to how things are progressing on that front.
With no power comes no responsibility?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 28 2013 03:56 GMT
#1173
@Myrmidon Thanks for the info! So are you saying that the Dell is a better option than the others or are they all essentially the same?
jjakji fan
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 04:01:32
August 28 2013 03:57 GMT
#1174
On August 28 2013 12:54 mav451 wrote:
http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA
LB works on either AMD or nVidia cards now with ToastyX's Strobelight utility.

Utility still is in beta though, so can't really testify to how things are progressing on that front.

I'm way behind the times, it seems.

On August 28 2013 12:56 slowbacontron wrote:
@Myrmidon Thanks for the info! So are you saying that the Dell is a better option than the others or are they all essentially the same?

It's part of their consumer-oriented line of cheaper IPS monitors, so it's something of a different class of product than almost all of the others. So it's IPS, pretty much, with the advantages and disadvantages related to that. You read the OP and other stuff, right?

If you wanted a TN, I might consider the VS238H-P. Supposedly that's one of the cheaper Asus models with the adjustable overdrive. However, the VS series stand is Very Shaky and offers no control other than tilt, though they are VESA mountable if you want to get an aftermarket stand later.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
August 28 2013 04:15 GMT
#1175
ok, thanks Cyro and Myrmidon for the clarifications and suggestions. Shopping time.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 28 2013 05:30 GMT
#1176
@Myrmidon I read the OP and other stuff, but I still don't know which one is better for me I guess IPS, if my eyes are too untrained to notice the input lag. If that's the case, I would be choosing between the s2240m and the HP 20xi? (The prices are quite different, but it doesn't matter too too much for me)
jjakji fan
Predje
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium12 Posts
August 28 2013 09:15 GMT
#1177
Went for the U2312HM as it had 25% discount.
My next question is Benq Xl2420t (€370), 2411t(€280) or another U2312HM(€210), I'll be using it mainly to play LoL and maybe some cod ghosts, watch movies and code websites etc
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
August 29 2013 01:21 GMT
#1178
Oh one last question - 120hz monitors vs a 3d monitor that runs at 75 or 83 hz. same thing?
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 29 2013 01:24 GMT
#1179
No it's not.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
August 29 2013 02:09 GMT
#1180
ok, thought so. I'm finding a good number of 3D monitors, while you';d think are 120 hz, are not and that they run at around 80 hz.
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
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