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TN is a Twisted Nematic. Check the OP. Most models use TN panels, including all of the 120 / 144 Hz (nominal) displays on the market from brands that aren't selling you some weird OC board / panel from "Korea" etc.
TNs tend to have poor gamma color shifting characteristics, so the top and bottom of the screen look different even at typical viewing distances and angles. That's why pages like this (http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php) look like a gradient. Yes, it's harder to see on more realistic images, but still.
This tends to be more noticeable in portrait orientation, as the 90 degree rotation means that now the left and right sides of the monitor look different, which is easier to spot by most people than the top and bottom being different. I don't know... it's not a really big deal to a lot of people. Personally, I mind some, but it wouldn't exactly kill me. (I've flipped some of those older Dell Professional series monitors before and tried it, so yeah I've seen it on a TN.)
I don't think any of the 120 / 144 Hz monitors have very thin bezels.
Maybe you can just get a dual monitor VESA stand.
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If you care about picture quality than avoid all TN monitors. And not every monitor has a fully adjustable stand. That one is a TN and has a cheap stand which can't be rotated.
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Hey guys,
since I'm going to pass on my current monitor I thought it might be the right time to finally buy a more expensive pair of monitors. Until now I've only used the cheaper variety of TN screens and it would be nice if someone who is more seasoned in the monitor business could answer me a few questions:
I went through the OP and as I'm looking for two 22"-24" monitors I thought that probabily one of the listed 23" IPS models would be the right pick for me, since while my PC is decent enough, I don't think I could really utilize 120Hz all too much. So first of all, would the Dell Ultrasharp 2312HM, which seems to be widely regarded to be good all-around, be a decent pick to use twice side by side and actually give any visual advantage over a run-of-the-mill 100€ TN model for a monitor novice (for gaming/office/movie use, no photo editing intended) ? German online retailers have the 2312HM for roughly 190€, would there be any stricly better monitor up to about a 250€ price point? Sadly many of the ones listed in the OP don't seem to be available (anymore) in Germany and for those that were I could find no reviews to compare them (I'm sorry if I have overlooked anything). And lastly, is the note about waiting for special sales/coupons also valid outside of the USA? Here the 2312HM "normal" pricing seems to be 300€ on the dell site and I guess I won't really go lower than 180€.
Thanks for any help in advance!
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Do you need the stand adjustments (for some without, you can buy a VESA mount and use that whenever you want)?
I'm not sure about strictly better, but a newer AH-IPS model might be better in some senses. There are some claims about quality vs. the older e-IPS panels used in older monitor models like U2312HM, but are they really true? It's hard to say without reviews, but in the very least if you don't like heavily matte and grainy antiglare on some like the U2312HM, these are definitely confirmed to have a lighter coating.
e.g. LG 24EA53VQ for 157 euros (only tilt stand but it has VESA mounting holes):
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/23-6Zoll--59-94cm--LG-Electronics-Flatron-24EA53VQ-schwarz-1920x1080-1xHD_838839.html
Not sure how the response time is on those. LG's relatively newer __EA__ IPS monitors seem to be better at that, based on prad.de reviews of the 22EA63V and 27EA83. It's a mystery.
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As you mentioned with the VESA mount, I'd view stand adjustments as a bonus rather than a necessity. And thanks for the additional suggestions, I will look into those. Can one expect that models that should only differ in size (e.g. Asus PB238Q and PB248Q or LG 22EA63V-P and LG 23EA63V-P) are of the same quality if a review only exists for either? I will try to get a look at one of the U2312HMs to get a feel for the coating. Thank you for your help!
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On September 29 2013 19:10 Bounty wrote:
As you mentioned with the VESA mount, I'd view stand adjustments as a bonus rather than a necessity. And thanks for the additional suggestions, I will look into those. Can one expect that models that should only differ in size (e.g. Asus PB238Q and PB248Q or LG 22EA63V-P and LG 23EA63V-P) are of the same quality if a review only exists for either? I will try to get a look at one of the U2312HMs to get a feel for the coating. Thank you for your help!
No, if the size is different, the panel is different (okay, duh, but this means something). Sometimes the electronics may be a bit different as well. For example, you can check the review list at prad.de. Compare U2312HM with U2212HM, etc. It's not always all that similar.
The panel coating should be similar on some other e-IPS monitors from a year or two ago, if you can't find the U2312HM specifically. Anyway, that's still a good option.
It's not a big deal to a lot of people, and the antiglare does help if there are light sources shining on the monitor. Personally, I'm between the "don't care" and "omg-what-is-this" camps.
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On September 30 2013 01:47 Myrmidon wrote:
No, if the size is different, the panel is different (okay, duh, but this means something). Sometimes the electronics may be a bit different as well. For example, you can check the review list at prad.de. Compare U2312HM with U2212HM, etc. It's not always all that similar.
The panel coating should be similar on some other e-IPS monitors from a year or two ago, if you can't find the U2312HM specifically. Anyway, that's still a good option.
It's not a big deal to a lot of people, and the antiglare does help if there are light sources shining on the monitor. Personally, I'm between the "don't care" and "omg-what-is-this" camps.
Thanks for your input, I will recheck some reviews and make a decision then.
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On September 23 2013 20:29 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 15:19 ObliviousNA wrote:
I'm currently considering 2x U2713HM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260111) for a programming/gaming setup. Is 600 the best price I'm likely to find? (Note the newegg 10% off price).
Also, if someone has an alternate recommendation in the 27+ inch range I'm all ears. These are a bit expensive for my taste, but they got great reviews and I'm likely to own them for 3-5 years.
Edit: I can also wait awhile for these, I'm not in a rush. If there are newer models coming down the pipeline, I can hold off. It probably won't decrease in price by much. In Australia, where we basically get price parity with the USA, the lowest we get is around $550. The QNIX QX2710 is an alternative but only get the ones with a single input. Two of these will equal one Dell U2713HM. Its a bit risky due to warranty but I think SquareTrade might offer warranty and piece of mind if something catastrophic happens.
On September 23 2013 04:33 Logan_ps wrote:
In view of the amount of stuff I've read about the QC issues with the u2713hm I thought I'd pop back to this thread to say that mine arrive, is splendid and is free from crosshatching, significant back light bleed and dead pixels. Love it. Highly recommended.It's the latest a00 revision (still find it odd that they went from a02 to a00 but heh).
Both of my u2713hm's just came in, neither have noticeable backlight bleed or crosshatching. I've been super happy with them, colors on games look MUCH better than on my 42in tv I was using before. Now I'm running the tv as my 3rd monitor, constantly streaming sc2 ofc. They're both Revision A00 July '13
Thanks for the advice guys!
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where'd you buy the u2713hms? newegg? :3
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I've been reading up on the Asus 27" LED MX279H. It's a 27" 1920x1080p monitor, and has some of the lowest input lag of any monitor they've ever tested, great for FPS games and fighting games. Has anyone tried one of these?
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Going to buy a monitor for use with my laptop when at home. I´ll use it for reading / writing (studies), web, some movies, some gaming. So not really after a hard core gaming monitor.
I´m living in major budget mode currently, so was looking at cheap - but IPS - 23 or 24 inch screens like the LG 24EA53VQ. But I´m wondering how much more I´ll have to put into this thing to get a somwhat decent 16:10. Is the Benq BL2411PT decent? Compared to the LG, do I pay mostly for the size and aspect ratio, or is it better in other ways as well?
Priority number one is good picture quality. Don´t need any features like USB or speakers. If it looks somewhat better than the black glossy Benqs i saw in the store, then that´s a bonus. 
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On October 01 2013 02:20 Aylear wrote:I've been reading up on the Asus 27" LED MX279H. It's a 27" 1920x1080p monitor, and has some of the lowest input lag of any monitor they've ever tested, great for FPS games and fighting games. Has anyone tried one of these?
Well, as you can see by that list (though I didn't check their testing procedure... a lot are not that accurate), most non-professional monitors these days—read: not TVs—have low input lag. Response time is a different story. Some have significantly worse motion blurring than others or even noticeable reverse ghosting artifacts.
I haven't tried it, but the performance should be similar to most other 1080p 27" AH-IPS monitors out there. That said, Asus is usually pretty good about pixel response times because they have that Trace Free (pixel overdrive) setting where some settings actually strike a good balance there. For fighting games, a bit of trailing is probably no problem; it's distracting to some for certain quick pans on FPS though.
Here are reviews of other 27" AH-IPS monitors, which may have different panel coatings, obviously stands, electronics, etc.:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_s2740l.htm
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-lg-ips277l-bn.html
But there are a few things of note: (1) the power adapter is its own separate unit, which some people don't like, (2) the stand only does tilt, and (3) there is no VESA mounting option. If you want 27" 1080p, it seems like a reasonable choice, but personally I wouldn't want to pay $300+ for something with no height control and no VESA mount.
On October 01 2013 05:11 wimpwimpwimp wrote:Going to buy a monitor for use with my laptop when at home. I´ll use it for reading / writing (studies), web, some movies, some gaming. So not really after a hard core gaming monitor. I´m living in major budget mode currently, so was looking at cheap - but IPS - 23 or 24 inch screens like the LG 24EA53VQ. But I´m wondering how much more I´ll have to put into this thing to get a somwhat decent 16:10. Is the Benq BL2411PT decent? Compared to the LG, do I pay mostly for the size and aspect ratio, or is it better in other ways as well? Priority number one is good picture quality. Don´t need any features like USB or speakers. If it looks somewhat better than the black glossy Benqs i saw in the store, then that´s a bonus.
BL2411PT should be pretty decent. You're paying for the 1920x1200 and also the stand. As a matter of minor interest for most, it also doesn't use PWM for backlight dimming, so the screen isn't actually flashing at you hundreds of times a second, unlike for most other monitors (if the cycling is slow enough, some people can see or at least be bothered by that).
Here:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2013/test-benq-bl2411pt.html
Some 16:10 options may not have a height/rotate/etc. adjustable stand and could be cheaper.
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On October 01 2013 05:49 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:11 wimpwimpwimp wrote:Going to buy a monitor for use with my laptop when at home. I´ll use it for reading / writing (studies), web, some movies, some gaming. So not really after a hard core gaming monitor. I´m living in major budget mode currently, so was looking at cheap - but IPS - 23 or 24 inch screens like the LG 24EA53VQ. But I´m wondering how much more I´ll have to put into this thing to get a somwhat decent 16:10. Is the Benq BL2411PT decent? Compared to the LG, do I pay mostly for the size and aspect ratio, or is it better in other ways as well? Priority number one is good picture quality. Don´t need any features like USB or speakers. If it looks somewhat better than the black glossy Benqs i saw in the store, then that´s a bonus. BL2411PT should be pretty decent. You're paying for the 1920x1200 and also the stand. As a matter of minor interest for most, it also doesn't use PWM for backlight dimming, so the screen isn't actually flashing at you hundreds of times a second, unlike for most other monitors (if the cycling is slow enough, some people can see or at least be bothered by that). Here: http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2013/test-benq-bl2411pt.htmlSome 16:10 options may not have a height/rotate/etc. adjustable stand and could be cheaper.
Cool!
Thanks for the input, and for finding a review of the Benq,
I´ve done some more reading, which made me wonder: Is good handling of "oldschool" resolutions like 640*480, 800*600 and 1024*768 something that cannot be expected from every monitor? I mean, keep the aspect ratio and blow the image up to fill the screen vertically, shouldn´t be that hard? Because I love my oldschool games when I want to "unplug" myself for a couple hours.
Also, I´ve come under this funny spell that makes me want to find justifications for getting a more expensive monitor than what I planned originally. It kind of makes sense too, to spend a little more now, making this monitor last me longer. Problem is I don´t know what features and qualities I´m after except the best possible image and construction. Any sensible upgrades from the BL2411PT? I could add that I´m considering going into architecture school.
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DisplayPort or Dual-Link DVI.
If you're buying something new, also check out the Asus VG248QE. These are similar.
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On October 02 2013 12:53 Myrmidon wrote:DisplayPort or Dual-Link DVI. If you're buying something new, also check out the Asus VG248QE. These are similar.
Ah nice I will definitely look into that suggestion.
So does DisplayPort allow for 3D as well? My laptop has a "mini-DisplayPort" I/O so it should work right?
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