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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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tofubeans
United States794 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-asus-vs239h-teil5.html User Mode: R 99, G 98, B 99. You could search the web for ICC profiles from other people with the same monitor, it might help if you're noticing the picture looks 'off' - they're easy enough to try and remove if they're bad. The factory calibration is acceptable enough though, unless you're a display perfectionist like me for example. Gamma takes kind of a big dip (per Prad's measurements) in the lighter shades, kinda making things appear a bit washed out. You could try reducing the "Contrast" value in the OSD as that tends to control the gamma curve (especially at the brighter end of the curve), but I'm not so sure it would help more than it hurts, as on many monitors changing contrast makes a lot of things worse. No hurt in trying, but Asus monitors seem to be factory calibrated with a target OSD contrast value of 80. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The Professional (P) series always had all the stand adjustments including rotate to portrait, but they used to have TN panels. Now they're using AH-IPS and at least the tftcentral review of the P2414H (1920x1080) seems to be pretty positiive: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_p2414h.htm So it's got non-PWM backlight that controls from bright to actually dim, minimal reverse ghosting but still pretty decent response times, minimal processing latency, over 1000:1 contrast, more normal matte anti-glare (rather than really aggressive), out-of-box delta-E average 3.2... Price now seems to be $250 on Dell's site, $230 BNIB on eBay. Could easily be lower later on a sale. I guess P2214H could be similar and also cheaper, but that's often not a good assumption to make. So the U2413 is the expensive wide-gamut 1920x1200 model, but there's a 1920x1080 U2414H planned. Wonder what that could offer over the P2414H other than HDMI input, USB3 hub, and a slimmer bezel. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On October 12 2013 01:27 Myrmidon wrote: + Show Spoiler + I wonder what Dell's doing with their Ultrasharp range. The Professional (P) series always had all the stand adjustments including rotate to portrait, but they used to have TN panels. Now they're using AH-IPS and at least the tftcentral review of the P2414H (1920x1080) seems to be pretty positiive: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_p2414h.htm So it's got non-PWM backlight that controls from bright to actually dim, minimal reverse ghosting but still pretty decent response times, minimal processing latency, over 1000:1 contrast, more normal matte anti-glare (rather than really aggressive), out-of-box delta-E average 3.2... Price now seems to be $250 on Dell's site, $230 BNIB on eBay. Could easily be lower later on a sale. I guess P2214H could be similar and also cheaper, but that's often not a good assumption to make. So the U2413 is the expensive wide-gamut 1920x1200 model, but there's a 1920x1080 U2414H planned. Wonder what that could offer over the P2414H other than HDMI input, USB3 hub, and a slimmer bezel. These P series are definitely getting nailed in many aspects... which leaves me wondering as well what the next-gen standard-gamut Ultrasharps (if any??) would offer to differentiate themselves. Hopefully the U2412M gets a successor. I can't imagine that it wouldn't, seeing how successful it has been. Maybe they'll have closer to 100% sRGB coverage? All these new AH-IPS panels seem to hover around 90% (or a little less) unfortunately. Dell specifies: P2214H: 85% color gamut (CIE1976) P2314H: 83% color gamut (CIE1976) P2414H: 86% color gamut (CIE1976) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
By the way, Nvidia revealing G-Sync: (edit: new link) http://www.anandtech.com/show/7436/nvidias-gsync-attempting-to-revolutionize-gaming-via-smoothness Rather than screwing around with VSync, game engines, etc., this is a new hardware / GPU paradigm where the GPU drives the monitor's refreshes. i.e. up-to-date screen refreshes with latency minimized and no tearing. Now we get the monitor to refresh when stuff is ready rather than before or after it is ready. This requires buying a new monitor with a chip to implement all this stuff. Could well be worth it though. Anand seems rather impressed with Nvidia's demo, but of course it's set up under Nvidia's conditions to prove a point etc. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On October 19 2013 00:24 Myrmidon wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well, that seems unlikely without changing the backlights (to something more expensive), and if you're doing that, you may as well go wide gamut... unless there's some kind of new wizardry available. Who knows? If they "might as well" end up going with wide gamut, that would add even more cost if they were to implement a proper sRGB mode too though, right? I don't get how the older e-IPS backlights all had closer to sRGB gamut, and seem to be slightly cheaper too. Really not knowledgeable about this topic... I'm sure (well, I strongly hope) there's some reasonable technical explanation for the regression in AH-IPS, and not just based purely on cost. Maybe you or someone can explain it to me. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=320-2676 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=320-2807 Is there a regression? I didn't check the actual diagrams in reviews. Also, note that CIE1976 is kind of ambiguous as there are multiple standards there, but it does not imply SRGB. Uh, check this: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm The U2412M uses White-LED (W-LED) backlighting. The colour space of this screen is approximately equal to the sRGB reference and is considered a 'standard gamut' backlight type. Studying the detailed panel spec confirms the screen covers 71% of the NTSC reference, 74.3% of the Adobe RGB reference and 95.8% of the sRGB space. As a side note you will see reference on Dell's website of an 82% colour gamut. This refers to the NTSC coverage but is based on a different reference point (CIE1976 = 82%). More common is the CIE1931 standard which would equate to 72% NTSC which is more relevant when comparing with other screens quoting NTSC gamut specs. While a 95.8% coverage of the sRGB space is decent enough and in line with most W-LED backlit screens, some higher end uses may require a wider gamut with a full 100% sRGB coverage (and beyond) for graphics and colour work. A wide gamut screen is another option for those wanting to work outside of the sRGB colour space. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
Do you guys have any suggestions for 27" monitors that have just as good or better input lag as my asus VH236H that costs under $250? | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On October 19 2013 04:48 Myrmidon wrote: + Show Spoiler + U2412M says 82% CIE1976, as does U2312HM. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=320-2676 http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=320-2807 Is there a regression? I didn't check the actual diagrams in reviews. Also, note that CIE1976 is kind of ambiguous as there are multiple standards there, but it does not imply SRGB. Uh, check this: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm The U2412M uses White-LED (W-LED) backlighting. The colour space of this screen is approximately equal to the sRGB reference and is considered a 'standard gamut' backlight type. Studying the detailed panel spec confirms the screen covers 71% of the NTSC reference, 74.3% of the Adobe RGB reference and 95.8% of the sRGB space. As a side note you will see reference on Dell's website of an 82% colour gamut. This refers to the NTSC coverage but is based on a different reference point (CIE1976 = 82%). More common is the CIE1931 standard which would equate to 72% NTSC which is more relevant when comparing with other screens quoting NTSC gamut specs. While a 95.8% coverage of the sRGB space is decent enough and in line with most W-LED backlit screens, some higher end uses may require a wider gamut with a full 100% sRGB coverage (and beyond) for graphics and colour work. A wide gamut screen is another option for those wanting to work outside of the sRGB colour space. Thanks for following up. I was suspecting that CIE1976 does not necessarily (or ever, really) imply sRGB, but did not do a thorough investigation. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On October 19 2013 00:24 Myrmidon wrote: Well, that seems unlikely without changing the backlights (to something more expensive), and if you're doing that, you may as well go wide gamut... unless there's some kind of new wizardry available. Who knows? By the way, Nvidia revealing G-Sync: (edit: new link) http://www.anandtech.com/show/7436/nvidias-gsync-attempting-to-revolutionize-gaming-via-smoothness Rather than screwing around with VSync, game engines, etc., this is a new hardware / GPU paradigm where the GPU drives the monitor's refreshes. i.e. up-to-date screen refreshes with latency minimized and no tearing. Now we get the monitor to refresh when stuff is ready rather than before or after it is ready. This requires buying a new monitor with a chip to implement all this stuff. Could well be worth it though. Anand seems rather impressed with Nvidia's demo, but of course it's set up under Nvidia's conditions to prove a point etc. This sounds awesome and would get rid of all of this v-synch/calibrating nonsense. These monitors can't come soon enough! I will definetely buy one it is as good as it sounds. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
I am thinking of buying a new monitor. I do mostly programming, gaming (SC2) and browsing I have read through this thread and thought of buying this one: http://benq.com/product/monitor/gl2450ht Or should I go for a 16:10? What do you think? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On October 21 2013 07:15 Hokay wrote: This is my go to monitor for twitch gaming such as fighting games and shooters because of the low input lag: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059 Do you guys have any suggestions for 27" monitors that have just as good or better input lag as my asus VH236H that costs under $250? Even if you don't mind the gamma shifting you get with the even larger size on a TN, none of the good ones are under $250. Not like there are too many differences between most of the cheap models, but reviews of non-120 Hz TN monitors are rather scarce so you might have to guess. Something relatively cheap won't have a scaler and probably will have pretty low input lag like VH236H though. Others are fine too, but sticking with an Asus model with Trace Free controls is a safe bet because some other monitors have distracting reverse ghosting. On October 23 2013 06:52 Saumure wrote: Hi guys, I am thinking of buying a new monitor. I do mostly programming, gaming (SC2) and browsing I have read through this thread and thought of buying this one: Or should I go for a 16:10? What do you think? If you want a reasonable 1080p 24" TN monitor, it should be a decent option. However, the price is higher than some others, partially because of the stand. Also, would you really want to use that monitor in portrait orientation? Anyway, at those kinds of prices these days, you don't have to get a TN if you don't want. Depends what you're looking for, but a little bit more motion blurring for SC2 is probably not a problem. It's not like some other types of games. The extra vertical pixels on 1920x1200 might be nice for programming and browsing, but wouldn't you know how you do things better than we do? | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
I will be using a i5 4670 and a gtx 660 (These CPU and GPU most likely) and I will be using dual monitor set up. (1 for gaming while i use the other to have browse web, youtube up, and etc etc, i hate alt tabbing) so i will be buying 2 of the same monitors. I would like a 1080p monitor. with atleast 1 DVI and 1 HDMI port I am like these 2 monitors so far but i cant tell the difference. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236175&cm_mmc=SNC-YouTube-_-NETV-_-7B_RwcqVMJo-_-24-236-175 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288 one says its IPS panel on its title for one thing (only difference i can see) but what does that mean? is it better? also if you know, what other monitors are better? (looking in the price range of ~~$150 and i would like at least a 22 inch monitor) thank you for the help EDIT: another ones i like so far http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014299&Tpk=BenQ GW2450HM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001799 | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 22 2013 22:28 papaz wrote: This sounds awesome and would get rid of all of this v-synch/calibrating nonsense. These monitors can't come soon enough! I will definetely buy one it is as good as it sounds. Well it wouldn't get rid of color calibration but it would remove the need for vsync. No screen tearing + minimum latency between picture and action as if no vsync was used. Would love this people who say they can live with screen tearing must either get very little or don't mind things like AA crawl etc. Too bad the dam thing adds like 100-150 bucks to a monitor and only i think a 650 to higher can use it. Would love that on a 120Hz plus it looks like they will officially support a variable strobing ie lightboost with these monitors. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
I really don't know anything about monitor pricing so I was wondering if you guys can briefly point me in the direction of a quality monitor. IPS or LED choices don't really bother me, I am just curious which affordable and quality monitors are currently in rotation! You know, around the $100 - $250 mark! Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On October 26 2013 14:43 semantics wrote: Well it wouldn't get rid of color calibration but it would remove the need for vsync. No screen tearing + minimum latency between picture and action as if no vsync was used. Would love this people who say they can live with screen tearing must either get very little or don't mind things like AA crawl etc. Too bad the dam thing adds like 100-150 bucks to a monitor and only i think a 650 to higher can use it. Would love that on a 120Hz plus it looks like they will officially support a variable strobing ie lightboost with these monitors. You're probably going to have something better than a GT650 if you're going to use this device at all. Speaking of 120hz, Eizo's just announced a fucking 120hz VA monitor.. Not just that, it supports backlight strobing. Its basically itshappening.gif encapsulated in a monitor. Now if it supports G-Sync... On October 30 2013 07:43 skyR wrote: Wait for U2312HM to go on sale for $180 or be a guinea pig and buy the new P2314H for $200. I can't see anyone getting disappointed jumping and getting the P2314H. Newer panel so definitely better image quality than the U2312HM. Cheaper too. No idea about input lag or motion performance but probably good enough. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On October 30 2013 18:26 Womwomwom wrote: Speaking of 120hz, Eizo's just announced a fucking 120hz VA monitor.. Not just that, it supports backlight strobing. Its basically itshappening.gif encapsulated in a monitor. Now if it supports G-Sync... Hot damn! 120Hz VA with Black Frame Insertion? I am thoroughly amused that it's not Asus or Benq or whoever else but Eizo bringing a true revolution to gaming monitors... If the price is right (which is doubtful because it's Eizo, and even if objectively worth the money, hard to explain to the average consumers) and availability is good (which has been quite bad in the US at least)... then this could be a huge success. I dearly hope it's under US $400 but I feel like I'm kidding myself, probably closer to $500. Edit: $555.55 at Amazon.. Amusing price number and not at all surprising. Also immediately out of stock which is also not too surprising...  | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
LG IPS224V-PN for $120 shipped on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005363 21.5" 1080p AH-IPS with VGA/HDMI/DVI input, crappy stand but 75x75mm VESA mounts. The last number the 224 indicates the product generation, but LG is weird and they're not in any kind of comprehensible order (e.g. __5 and __1 are older models I think). This was one of the earlier AH-IPS monitors out there, a 2011 model. prad.de has a review of the IPS234V-PN here. Response times are maybe slowish for this series, but the 21.5" models generally seemed a bit better in that regard than the 23" models for at least the eIPS range. And at least it's better than having reverse ghosting all day. | ||
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