Newbie Mini Mafia XXII - Page 56

On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D

-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?

On August 06 2012 18:32 aRyuujin wrote:
Also another one:
Why is obvious agreeing with us? Seeing as your main point about me and Ange being mafia because we accuse you, where does that leave him?

On August 06 2012 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:
@ ghost. shady's vote is on jingle. and as his is so is mine for now.

##VOTE: Jinglehell

On August 06 2012 20:54 aRyuujin wrote:


If you think I'm scum, vote with your opinions. Don't just blindly donate your vote to Shady, it only helps you slip out of any tight situations you get into as a scum. Why would town DP vote for Jingle, who he believes is town, over me and Ange, who DP is apparently super sure are scum? This sheeping is just an attempt to not have to take responsibility for his vote.

On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:

-What do you think about Alan?

      Here, he basically says nothing. If his two scum reads aren't scum, then the non town people are scum. You don't say...
Also, "Everything is so intertwined". This makes it seem like his excuse for not contributing is that it's complicated. This may sound hypocritical coming from me, but it's time to buck up and help out if he's town. Not contributing, but sounding like you're saying stuff is a scum move.

-Are Ange and I the scum?

      No shit, he says that he "thinks we're likely scum". He's been saying that the whole time. What I wanted to know is if he's finally committing to that answer, rather than just thinking. However, now he seems less certain than before. Establishing a noncommital stance is a typical scum play. Honestly, if he was town, I'd rather see him stick to his guns and write a case against me and Ange. Instead, he's beginning to give himself an exit.

-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?

      He says our cases are weak. Yet, he never shows us why. To be honest, all of the stuff we've piled up on him seems fairly strong to me (resulting in me voting him). And his defense has been... lackluster. He hasn't had a true, straight up, post defending himself until this one. And as for my posting. Yes, it's different. I'm hunting scum actively for a bit. Deal with it. Until there are no scum reads that are disproportionately stronger than the one on myself, that's not a problem we need to worry about.

-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?

      That's not what a leading question is. A leading question is a question where I'm trying to get you to confirm the information located in my question. In fact, there's nothing wrong with a leading question. What you're thinking of, and what I sadly used, is a loaded question. Loaded questions are usually fallacious, and yes, this was definitely a bad question. I was just trying to get you to discuss the series of posts you made. And it worked, so whatever.
Now about those posts. Though he says that they addressed contentless posts, what they were replying to were definitely not junk. Just look at the posts. I mean really?

-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?

"Jingle has been the victim of the same traps on me" this is TOTALLY different from what I said. TOTALLY. Basically here, he's trying to make his reason sound more legit. He brings in his assumption that Ange and I are 100% scum (note that he still hasn't voted either of us, however)(and that he's still setting up exit strategies) to help defend his bad, scummy move.
To quote Obvious once more:
Something else interesting is he still hasn't addressed the fact that everyone else is pretty much 100% for a town ange (as ange started the attack on zork), even Shady, who he is supposedly sheeping.

-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?

This one will be fun. This whole paragraph is fairly applicable to the current situation. I'll be putting my commentary italics.
There were two clear candidates both had cases on them JingleHell and Darthpunk. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep himstill isn't. And he hasn't posted for a bit(though everyone has plenty of irl stuff to do, so I'm not blaming him at all). Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady voteIsn't that what you're doing now? Hiding behind this shady vote? Also, many haven't posted for a bit, either, like alan, shady, jingle, etc.. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. how is this different from nowOne of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. seems exactly like the situation we're in now, tbh. As I have said previously, I think Jingle MAY be scum but I am CERTAIN Darthpunk is. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of.I think he's saying this is the main thing behind the accusations of him being scum. He's wrong, and it's fairly obvious to anyone who reads the thread
All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town.I AGREE 100%. WHY DOES THIS NOT APPLY NOW?

-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion

We've been working our asses off to get a lynch on you for the last several pages, and you're still not going to be lynched as of now. Do you honestly believe that this dual mislynch strategy makes ANY sense at all? Seems like a half baked explanation trying to get out of his post.

-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?

What do you think I've been doing? I posted cases, asked questions, probed, and prodded. Literally all you've done until this post is whine and lash out at the people accusing you, without providing anything truly solid.

So, did you not see any of this in any of the posts previously? Do you just not read the thread?

On August 06 2012 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
EBWOP: and obviously you want me dead more than Jingle. So I will thwart your plans if possible.

On August 06 2012 21:51 Ange777 wrote:
@Shady and goodkarma:

Please reconsider your vote. At the moment neither aRyuujin nor I am willing to concede in a Jingle lynch as we believe that DarthPunk is a more sure scum lynch than a Jingle lynch is.

@Jingle:

If you really want to show your "town side", than play! Give us another read except for DarthPunk, preferably one that includes a solid case and not just a one-liner vote and snippy comments.

On August 06 2012 22:27 Ange777 wrote:
@Jingle: I am wearing those hypothetical 1% town Jingle goggles, that's why I am asking you for your reads ... stop complaining about what happened and build a case if you want me to give you a chance.

On August 06 2012 22:19 JingleHell wrote:


Oh, now you want to hear opinions?

I love this absurd dichotomy that's sprung up in your minds recently, where either I'm bad or I'm scum.

Want to hear what happened? I replaced in late, never had a chance to get into stride and was put in an untenable position.

Truly shocking that I've not bothered putting any effort into convincing people. Here's a suggestion. For five minutes, try to be objective. Put on "Hypothetical townie" goggles, and read my posts with all that I've just said in mind. See if it sounds like frustration. You don't have to believe I'm town to try that, just do it and see if it makes as much sense as some of the "cases" against me.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time building a case when everyone will just dismiss it.