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I have to go out quickly so I'ma post my thoughts early:
Sandroba's Town List for dummies (TM):
WBG - marvelosity = both too emo ragers for it to be fake. I can't see the genuine asshole behavior being faked here and there is no scum motivation for it. I would seriously like to lynch marv for being an assface jerk, but unfortunately I can't convince myself he is scum.
Xatalos - LOL this guy is so townie I don't understand how you baddies manage to bandwagon him day 1. 'Nuff said.
DYH - I really thought this guy was scum for his retard case on xatalos before I read the last 30 pages. However that last minute claim looks really good so I'm putting him as town. Hopefully he can get confirmed by shooting into scummers tonight. Assuming scum have 1 rb (can't really imagine them having 2) either him or marv should get their actions through.
Scummers :
Zealos, BlazingHand are scum. I don't think I need to explain why for BH. Read Zealos oportunistic jump on xata wagon. That post has scum written all over it.
People that I'm unsure but leaning scum:
VE - who you might ask? Yes this dude is playing in this game. I bet you didn't know either. Kei/Ace - Meh ace is a hard one for me to figure out. I thought he was scum when I was obsing because of his "Oh this is interesting" comment, but I'm liking kei a bit more. This BH case seems very convinient though.
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On December 03 2012 07:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
1. Moving his vote around a lot on the first day.
2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it.
These things aren't the same. Aye. But it's not just the vote, he's often got a case or something with it, as I remember. I guess in my head it just doesn't strike me as odd for him to have made that case regardless of his alignment.
Yes, he might have gone from person to person, but did her ever do this?
On December 01 2012 10:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually I take back the entire case on MrZ, I TAKE IT ALL BACK.
DONT PAY ATTENTION TO IT ITS BAD
##unvote
On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell.
But it would still have looked as if he tried to be helpful. It would still be good for him. This, along with the fact that he saved somebody who may or may not be our vigil, makes it WAAY more likely that he is town than scum.
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the one thing that made me lean slightly town on Ace was when he pulled Xatalos up on his townreads who had been going at each other n shit.
I know it's terribly minor but it at least showed he was attentive to what was going on in the thread.
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On December 03 2012 07:40 sandroba wrote:
I have to go out quickly so I'ma post my thoughts early:
Sandroba's Town List for dummies (TM):
WBG - marvelosity = both too emo ragers for it to be fake. I can't see the genuine asshole behavior being faked here and there is no scum motivation for it. I would seriously like to lynch marv for being an assface jerk, but unfortunately I can't convince myself he is scum.
Xatalos - LOL this guy is so townie I don't understand how you baddies manage to bandwagon him day 1. 'Nuff said.
DYH - I really thought this guy was scum for his retard case on xatalos before I read the last 30 pages. However that last minute claim looks really good so I'm putting him as town. Hopefully he can get confirmed by shooting into scummers tonight. Assuming scum have 1 rb (can't really imagine them having 2) either him or marv should get their actions through.
Scummers :
Zealos, BlazingHand are scum. I don't think I need to explain why for BH. Read Zealos oportunistic jump on xata wagon. That post has scum written all over it.
People that I'm unsure but leaning scum:
VE - who you might ask? Yes this dude is playing in this game. I bet you didn't know either. Kei/Ace - Meh ace is a hard one for me to figure out. I thought he was scum when I was obsing because of his "Oh this is interesting" comment, but I'm liking kei a bit more. This BH case seems very convinient though.
And....this is why sandro is town.
Seriously, go look at sandro's filter in chrono before he died. He didn't have a single post that had as much insight or investment as this in 96 full hours of game.
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On December 03 2012 06:51 sandroba wrote:
@VE anything would like to add? I must say you didn't make an impact at all in the game and I only noticed you were playing after rereading the thread. What's your stance on DYH/BH after this quick switch and the late claim?
On December 02 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
We should have just lynched Blazinghand.
I'm going to play IRL mafia with friends. I'll probably be back later tonight, but I make no promises as to my state of mind.
After the day post, we'll see what's up with DYH. Maybe he gets roleblocked. Maybe he gets killed. Maybe he's fakeclaiming scum. Blue claims tend to work themselves out. Same goes for marv in that respect.
If he's still alive, we should lynch BH tomorrow hands down.
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Sandroba's logic:
Person X saved person Y, when he could have easily let him die.
Person X is scum.
Person Y is innocent.
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On December 03 2012 07:40 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:38 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, MrZ has a point. It doesn't mean BH is town, but it's a valid point. I disagree. Retracting a mistake case is entirely a null tell. How does it indicate townieness? Why couldn't it have been scum?
It indicates townieness in a bunch of hypothetical ways. It indicates scumminess in other hypothetical ways.
It's not anything definitive, I'm just saying that MrZ has a point.
I just WIFOM about it whenever I try to see town/scum angles, so I don't want to use it as anything major
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Sandroba claims to have read the thread and important events, yet claims I'm so non-present that he forgets that I'm in the game?
I was one of the people involved in the final vote-switch shenanigans, and I've been pretty vocal about my opinions all game. My activity might not be as high as many are used to, but verily that's a common theme in all of my recent games.
Either he's lying and didn't read as closely as he lets on, or he's genuinely missed my part in this game so far. Either way, I'm excited to see A) if he's still alive after the daypost and B) what he has to contribute if he lives. So far regurgitating what's been said about BH and calling me out for activity isn't floating my boat, so I'm keeping an eye on him.
For what it's worth, I believe Marv's claim. I think Bugs is town, and I think Zealos is scum. If for whatever reason BH isn't the lynch tomorrow, I agree with Zealos as a target.
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Blazinghand
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OK, here are my reads at the moment, though it's not perfect.
MrZ is town. I trust him and on top of that he's the only guy making real sense about me.
ShiapPi is town. I base this on the fact that he's been reading the thread
Zealos is Tenatively town. explained here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17087816
VE for all his faults is appearing town to me, but the VE I know is usually a bit more invested. He hasn't been great but he's been willing to call out WBG (link). I don't like his attack on Xala but he explains it well enough (link)
Austinmcc - town. as town talks a lot about player's motivations and thinks his reads through. talks openly in long-ish posts quoting plenty of people. no scum meta available.
I don't like Marv as much as I'd like. Marv always looks reasonably town to me, but some of his attacks, such as that on DP here (link) and his interactions with ace this game have seem forced and his mentionings of ace seem artificial (link)
I don't like Keirathi either (oh yes I'm attacking the two guys attacking me) because of his attack on me. Keirathi should know me, and should know better. Not logically consistent.
DYH needs to be examined after night actions, but I suspect town based on claim timing. bad town, but town.
<3
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Blazinghand
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Unless mafia kills you, but they won't. c:
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Please refrain from posting until the day post
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On December 03 2012 07:59 DoYouHas wrote:
Shooting VE
thank you for giving me 30 seconds to change my check ^_^
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My reads.
I still don't think BH is scum, although I'm starting to reconsider a bit after Keirathis post about his meta. People are saying that him playing retarded and that he is scum for it. It makes no sense. Playing retarded (which I to some degree agree with, at least he is not living up to his reputation as a vet IMO) is not good for town, however nor is it good for scum. The only I can hold against him is, like I said, the meta case. But I don't want to lynch him purely based on this.
Marv is most likely town. The case on him wasn't a case even a case. I think Marv's emotional response to the accusations against him is perfectly resonable.
Zealos is looking quite bad atm. He didn't really say anything usefull during the day untill he voted Xata right as the votes against him were falling in. This is scummy as shit. He then proceed to afk when no further votes are comming in on Xata. If he actually is town, which I somewhat doubt at this point, and gets vigi shot we wouldn't get any reliable info other than that he thinks Xata.
VE, I hadn't looked too much into the guy prior to this. Things that stick out is that he seems to always be pushing for the persons looking weakest, much like he is attempting to bandwagon. I don't really like this. Still I think his logic has been decent when pushing these cases. Overall null leanng sliiight scum.
DI/Sandroba I cannot comment on really. There isn't anything to comment on in fact.
Debears seems town
WBG seems town
MrZentor seems Lol
Ace is gone : /
ShiaoPi went very inactive after I started to attack him. My suspicion against him still stands.
Austin I am not sure with. I really had a quite strong town read on him at the start of the day. I felt he asked a relevant questions and forced players to take stances. However, after rereading him a bit, I'm not as sure as I was before. Things I don't like is how he doesn't take so many stances unless he is called out for it, which I feel is alarming. He is withholding his vote quite long which I generally think is bad for town. Still think he is town, although not AS sure as I was before.
DYH vigi claim seems legit, tho we will see what happends in the night post I guess.
Top scummers for now are Zealos and ShaioPi.
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Day 2
The night had been a long one, people stayed awake, or had uncomfortable nights with various weapons under their pillows. Several had stayed up late, shouting at each other, or making vague threats.
Tensions ran high after the death of one of their own, and none trusted the other. As dawn was approaching, and the people of Liquidia began to gather near the rubble to begin the hunt for the treacherous dogs anew, a cry rang out.
"Oh my god, they're dead!"
The hand of Death had struck. Marvellosity had his throat slit during his late night vigil. Not far away, the body of VisceraEyes lay behind a dumpster.
+ Show Spoiler [Role PM] +
You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective)
Mafia Goon. You may carry an NK. You win with scum. Your team consists of yeah right, that would be embarrassing.
You have 48 hours to set the next lynch. Don't forget the format, ##Vote HopelessOneder
The wolves in sheeps clothing breathed easy, knowing they were one step closer to success, their ambiguous plans for domination or something equally cliche were beginning to bear fruit.
Rend the breath from their lungs, the life from their veins, lest they destroy all we hold dear.
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Blazinghand
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well, that went better than expected. good work DYH
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