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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:18 MrZentor wrote:
The only reason that Keirathi is making this ridiculous case is because he wasn't there.
He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day.
Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred.
That's very generous of you, but Keirathi apparently DID read the timestamps. He's just a half-animate semi-pancake.
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Reading doesn't do it justice.
You need to experience it.
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On December 03 2012 07:18 MrZentor wrote:
The only reason that Keirathi is making this ridiculous case is because he wasn't there.
He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day.
Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred.
I was on the replacements list. I've been reading this game post-by-post as they happen. I didn't have to go back and read everything to catch up. I'm 100% aware of how little time there was.
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@DYH If you are vigi, which I believe you are, I would just flip a coin and shoot BH/Zealos, they are both scum.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:21 sandroba wrote:
@DYH If you are vigi, which I believe you are, I would just flip a coin and shoot BH/Zealos, they are both scum.
DYH if you're a vigi you know I had no reason to save you unless I'm town. At least show up in the thread dood
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:18 MrZentor wrote:
The only reason that Keirathi is making this ridiculous case is because he wasn't there.
He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day.
Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred. I was on the replacements list. I've been reading this game post-by-post as they happen. I didn't have to go back and read everything to catch up. I'm 100% aware of how little time there was.
Yeah this just confirms that you are not only in fact a semi-pancake, but even a hemi-pancake.
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Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Like whatever your guys cases are, I SAVED THE CLAIMER when I had NO motivation to do so unless I'm town, and every motivation to let him die if I were scum. Hell, if scum has no RB and I scumslipped that fact, there's even MORE reason to let DYH die since scum wouldn't be able to smack down 2 blues in one night otherwise. I just can't imagine how you think my swapping at the last minute to save a claimer could be interpreted as anything but me being town.
All your cases rely on these weird WIFOMy tactics like me trying to be like risen from half a year ago, in a game I think I was modkilled in (though maybe that was a different one), or me intentionally letting a claimed vigi live when there's already a claimed DT... even though I've "scumslipped" that scum has no RB.
I just don't get how you don't see the simplest explanation, which is that I saved the claimed vigi because I, a town player, wanted him to live.
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On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case.
From what I have seen, BH moves his cases and his votes around A LOT on D1. I remembering doing a votecount D1 in bureaucracy, and scum BH had like 8 or 9 different votes during D1, way more than others.
I actually don't ever want to lynch BH early in a game because he always seems to create discussion and activity with his votes, so even when he's scum he's useful to town. But the "BH odd behavior"/"BH visible" argument doesn't sway me much on him specifically because I'm used to him being visible no matter his faction.
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(Yes, bureaucracy was different, he didn't know his teammates, blah blah blah blah. I don't believe I've seen him just sit on a single case/vote early on in a game before. Isn't he a big "vote = tool, use it early and often" guy?)
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Well DYH isn't back and he might be shooting me, so I'm going to sit down and write up a case in case I wake up dead. I'll be back closer to the deadline.
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1. Moving his vote around a lot on the first day.
2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it.
These things aren't the same.
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On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case.
Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell.
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On December 03 2012 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
1. Moving his vote around a lot on the first day.
2. Spending a lot of time making a case and instantly retracting it.
These things aren't the same.
Aye. But it's not just the vote, he's often got a case or something with it, as I remember. I guess in my head it just doesn't strike me as odd for him to have made that case regardless of his alignment.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell.
And somehow this argument applies, but your case on me largely rests on me NOT paying attention to holes in the D case?
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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On December 03 2012 07:35 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell. And somehow this argument applies, but your case on me largely rests on me NOT paying attention to holes in the D case?
That you kept pushing the DP case even after he proved that you were wrong was just bad, not really a scum tell. But that's what got me interested into looking into you more.
What convinced me you were scum wasn't that you were wrong, it was HOW you pushed your wrongness.
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Keirathi, MrZ has a point. It doesn't mean BH is town, but it's a valid point.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 03 2012 07:37 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 07:35 Blazinghand wrote:On December 03 2012 07:34 Keirathi wrote:On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote:
Okay Keirathi, riddle me this.
IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell. And somehow this argument applies, but your case on me largely rests on me NOT paying attention to holes in the D case? That you kept pushing the DP case even after he proved that you were wrong was just bad, not really a scum tell. But that's what got me interested into looking into you more. What convinced me you were scum wasn't that you were wrong, it was HOW you pushed your wrongness.
it's this for me and hasn't been answered.
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On December 03 2012 07:38 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, MrZ has a point. It doesn't mean BH is town, but it's a valid point.
I disagree. Retracting a mistake case is entirely a null tell.
How does it indicate townieness?
Why couldn't it have been scum?
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