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United States4714 Posts
On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is.
Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red.
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On April 11 2011 23:02 kitaman27 wrote:
DarthThienAn - Quotes one of Kav's newbie posts to tell us that he agrees and then proceeds to vote for pandain, the fake dt claim.
That's exactly why I voted for him. Low chance of being elected for Mayor, so there's no harm in putting my vote there as a placeholder, like I said in my second post...
If you're going to try to criticize me, at least do it with something credible.
On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is. Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red.
I don't see why him not fingering you as red / calling you green makes him green as well. 1) Mafia know all the mafia are, so they also know who's green (though, there are assassins). 2) Town + Assassins don't know anything.
So for someone to be "certain" that someone else is green at this point in the game means that they are either mafia, or really dumb. Yeah?
So... you calling ON green earlier makes you either mafia or really dumb. You should pick one so I know for future reference ^^.
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After sleeping with it, I'm voting for Protactinium. Pretty much for the reasons I said before. Plus, my gut is telling me not to trust anyone else.
##Vote: Protactinium
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On April 11 2011 22:01 Mig wrote:
It's pretty shitty for me that the one person to look at my posts and decide that I was probably green suddenly became #1 on everyone's lynch list. It's definitely a lose lose for me. If he flips green it doesn't clear me and if he flips red I am going to be targeted super hard.
Personally I do think there's a good chance ON is green but I only say that because I know I am green. If ON is red I don't really know what motivation he would have for saying I am green when he can easily just analyze me as red and most people will agree with him.
Also this is the same situation for you GMarshal. If ON flipped green I don't think it would clear you of being a red at all. Especially since you said you would be fine lynching him and if you were both reds then that seems kind of suicidal.
On April 11 2011 22:13 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I disagree that if ON flips red it instantly confirms everyone as red. I say this once again because I know I am green. If he flips red I am probably going to be the next person lynched and then when I flip green you will be back to being uncertain about what everyone is. At the same time if he flips green it really doesn't clear anyone because like I said Gmarshal has already said hes fine lynching ON which he can easily say if hes red but I doubt he would ever say if they were both red. Finally I don't think if he flipped green it would even make you look that red. To me you don't really come off as red you just come as an overzealous green who views everything as black/white instead of realizing the situation probably isn't so clear cut.
On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is. Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red.
The argument "I know I'm green" doesn't really cut it.
Firstly: Marsh is ok with lynching ON. That doesn't make him green if ON flips red, it could be a bus.
Second: if ON was red, why would he finger you as red? I don't get your argument here.
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On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is. Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red.
Just reading over everything, but if OriginalName turns up red, that points out a much better chance that Mig is green. Why? Because what mafia would give a detailed analysis of their own teammate on day 1? Mafia want to take suspicion off of their own teammates and any analysis someone else whether guilty or innocent would warrant more suspicion. Its far more likely that scum would give their analysis on players who they know are not scum before putting analysis on people in their team in later rounds.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 11 2011 23:38 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 23:02 kitaman27 wrote:
DarthThienAn - Quotes one of Kav's newbie posts to tell us that he agrees and then proceeds to vote for pandain, the fake dt claim.
That's exactly why I voted for him. Low chance of being elected for Mayor, so there's no harm in putting my vote there as a placeholder, like I said in my second post... If you're going to try to criticize me, at least do it with something credible.
That was a credible criticism. You haven't taken a stand yet.
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On April 11 2011 23:48 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote:On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is. Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red. Just reading over everything, but if OriginalName turns up red, that points out a much better chance that Mig is green. Why? Because what mafia would give a detailed analysis of their own teammate on day 1? Mafia want to take suspicion off of their own teammates and any analysis someone else whether guilty or innocent would warrant more suspicion. Its far more likely that scum would give their analysis on players who they know are not scum before putting analysis on people in their team in later rounds.
At the time Mig was getting a good amount of heat for DrH, ON "analysed" him with no real content and concluded that he was green. The only think i can take from is that ON doesn't want people thinking Mig is red
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On April 11 2011 23:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Lemon-Still hasn't posted. Playing pokemon instead.
![[image loading]](http://www.nintendojo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/art_pokemonCartoonSadPika.jpg)
FINE
I'll post then.
Yeah I got sidetracked with games/work, but just gimme a bit to read the last 30 pages thoroughly enough to make an informed post or twelve.
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1. Jackal58 - Very likely town from where I stand.
2. Rean - Part of me believes Rean to be the assassin based solely on his/her few posts inthread.
3. Coagulation - I am fairly certain he is town.
4. GMarshal - He is definitely town.
5. Pandain - I really have no idea what he is.
6. GGQ - Null.
7. OriginalName - Null.
8. Kenpachi - Town.
9. ilovejonn - Null
10.Mr. Wiggles - Null
11.chaoser - Probably town, but not sure.
12.Latrommi - Null
13.kevconsim - It feels like he's playing exactly how he played last game. So, I'm thinking he's scum.
14.Protactinium - Assassin
15.TranceStorm - Null
16.tnkted - I'm about 50-50 here.
17.Eiii - Assassin.
18.urashimakt - Feels town.
19.Lemonwalrus - Null.
20.Milkyst - Not memorable.
21.DropBear - Probably town
22.The_Roist - Probably nottown.
23.kitaman27 - Def town
24.Lanaia - I know I'm town.
25.jaminz - Don't recall any of this person's posts. Either has none or all or unmemorable.
26.DarthThienAn - Null. Hasn't said much.
27.DoctorHelvetica - Seems kinda town.
28.darmousseh - His posts aren't memorable to me. 
29.AirbladeOrange - Seems like he's trying to be townable. He's new so it's probably less easy for him to fake that, no?
30.MetalFace - No idea
31.Barundar - Town.
32.Kavdragon - He's town.
33.redFF - Likely town
34.M0nsterChef - I don't know, but he's really not helping his case with what he's done.
35.Serejai - I can't tell if he's a troll or not. I can't tell his alignment given what he's given us.
36.Robellicose - Null.
37.Mig - Null
38.aidnai - Likely town
39.Conversion - Town
40.Tackster - Null
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United States22154 Posts
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
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Hello guys.
It has been nice playing with you.
I have to cram 1.5 months of schoolwork into two weeks. I can't play to the extent most people would like.
As such, I'm requesting replacement.
It's been nice.
-Lanaia <3
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2011 01:21 Lanaia wrote:1. Jackal58 - Very likely town from where I stand. 2. Rean - Part of me believes Rean to be the assassin based solely on his/her few posts inthread. 3. Coagulation - I am fairly certain he is town. 4. GMarshal - He is definitely town. 5. Pandain - I really have no idea what he is. 6. GGQ - Null. 7. OriginalName - Null. 8. Kenpachi - Town. 9. ilovejonn - Null 10.Mr. Wiggles - Null 11.chaoser - Probably town, but not sure. 12.Latrommi - Null 13.kevconsim - It feels like he's playing exactly how he played last game. So, I'm thinking he's scum. 14.Protactinium - Assassin 15.TranceStorm - Null 16.tnkted - I'm about 50-50 here. 17.Eiii - Assassin. 18.urashimakt - Feels town. 19.Lemonwalrus - Null. 20.Milkyst - Not memorable. 21.DropBear - Probably town 22.The_Roist - Probably nottown. 23.kitaman27 - Def town 24.Lanaia - I know I'm town. 25.jaminz - Don't recall any of this person's posts. Either has none or all or unmemorable. 26.DarthThienAn - Null. Hasn't said much. 27.DoctorHelvetica - Seems kinda town. 28.darmousseh - His posts aren't memorable to me. 29.AirbladeOrange - Seems like he's trying to be townable. He's new so it's probably less easy for him to fake that, no? 30.MetalFace - No idea 31.Barundar - Town. 32.Kavdragon - He's town. 33.redFF - Likely town 34.M0nsterChef - I don't know, but he's really not helping his case with what he's done. 35.Serejai - I can't tell if he's a troll or not. I can't tell his alignment given what he's given us. 36.Robellicose - Null. 37.Mig - Null 38.aidnai - Likely town 39.Conversion - Town 40.Tackster - Null
Well cool. We're all townies. We can call it quits guys. Scum packed their bags and left.
C'mon Lanaia. I know you are capable of calling people scum. This looks really bad pegging everybody as town or "null"
Coag and GMarshall look scummy. See it's not hard. Say it with me. Coag and GMarshall look scummy.
Or pick anybody else and try it. Calling people town and null just lets scum sit there and feel slightly belittled in their nullness.
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On April 12 2011 01:25 Lanaia wrote:
Hello guys.
It has been nice playing with you.
I have to cram 1.5 months of schoolwork into two weeks. I can't play to the extent most people would like.
As such, I'm requesting replacement.
It's been nice.
-Lanaia <3
Dammit. You're fun.
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On April 11 2011 23:53 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 23:48 TranceStorm wrote:On April 11 2011 23:03 Mig wrote:On April 11 2011 22:52 DarthThienAn wrote:
how do you know that anyone is green? The game just started... no actions have been done by any blues, so no one know what anyone else's alignment is. Right I don't know about anyone else for sure all I said was that I know that I am green obviously and I made a guess that there's a decent chance ON is green just because if he were red I figured he would have fingered me as red. Just reading over everything, but if OriginalName turns up red, that points out a much better chance that Mig is green. Why? Because what mafia would give a detailed analysis of their own teammate on day 1? Mafia want to take suspicion off of their own teammates and any analysis someone else whether guilty or innocent would warrant more suspicion. Its far more likely that scum would give their analysis on players who they know are not scum before putting analysis on people in their team in later rounds. At the time Mig was getting a good amount of heat for DrH, ON "analysed" him with no real content and concluded that he was green. The only think i can take from is that ON doesn't want people thinking Mig is red
Ok, reading back to when ON gave his analysis, I am going to have to agree with you here. Ignore the analysis I gave earlier, I had forgotten that Dr. H had been putting pressure on Mig. But, I don't believe that if ON turns up guilty that we have a conclusive pin on Mig. My gut instinct is that Mig is town.
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On April 12 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:25 Lanaia wrote:
Hello guys.
It has been nice playing with you.
I have to cram 1.5 months of schoolwork into two weeks. I can't play to the extent most people would like.
As such, I'm requesting replacement.
It's been nice.
-Lanaia <3 Dammit. You're fun.
I literally don't have time. I have a 20 page essay to do for next Monday. I'll in again in the future in another game sometime, I'm sure.
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I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote
##Vote DrH
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On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information.
Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched.
On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies.
I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it?
My Thoughts
OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do.
But let's talk about this ON situation.
If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all?
AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT
Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea.
If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way.
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On April 11 2011 12:20 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Yes, after the other scum told you that you had to provide a reason and what to reasons to provide. I am now pretty sure you are scum.
thats not a good argument
"You're scum because you're scum" is basically what you just said
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On April 11 2011 20:21 redFF wrote:
Finally, people listening to reason. DrH, Protact or kita, i dont care who it is, should be mayor. A day one lynch of OriginalName is a good idea. If he flips red, that means that Gmarshal is likely red, as are the other people who voted for him with little reasoning and leapt to each others defence when i called them out on it. M0nsterChef and AirbladeOrange. If original name flips red then we can also probably pin MiG because ON did a contentless analysis where he named him town. Town has to band together and vote for one of those 3.
I have only defended myself thus far. If anyone thinks I defended anyone else in a strong fashion they are mistaken. I want it to be clear that my top two suspicious people right now, as was yesterday as well, are M0nsterChef and OriginalName. I do, however, agree with redFF that if ON is red, we need to worry about Marshal. I think the case is the same with M0nsterChef just because he has barely posted and blindly voted for Marshal.
I still believe Marshal to be town, as with Dr. H. There is nothing that I feel I can be certain of at this point so I prefer to play safe and try to find the easier plays first. Getting rid of experienced guys like Dr. H (who is under less and less pressure now), Marshal (suffering from an extreme backlash because he got too many votes), and Kav (who I don't really know what to make of but would not be good to lynch first).
Marshal's situation is suspicious but not condemnable. I feel we should try to take out people who may be his pawns - OriginalName, N0nsterChef
I say as things stand right now go for one of these two and keep an eye on Marshal. I'm still good with electing him mayor as long as we don't forget the suspicions we experienced with the voting.
And coagulation - I have no idea what to make of this guy. I think he's just crazy.
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On April 12 2011 01:54 AirbladeOrange wrote:And coagulation - I have no idea what to make of this guy. I think he's just crazy.
You have a great future in analysis. Most people take 2 or 3 games to come to that realization.
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