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Awful lot of resistance to pulling Bluelightz off the edge and still no good reasons not to.
He's lied about his role (twice) saying that the positions would be publically announced:
Just clarifying my role but I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SPOT IS BOOBY TRAPPED OUT OF THE 3 BUT I KNOW 1 OF THE SPOTS THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED IS SAFE.
3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED.
He used his role which at least two people warned that doing so would get him lynched.
He claimed multiple times that he's specifically blue (not PR, not town aligned, not a good toy, but blue) when there are probably no literally blue roles in the game.
Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz.
If I die and I gurantee everyone I will flip blue.
He's used his PoPs on people who had no chance of being lynched (or just didn't use them at all).
So, my vote(push) will go to dirkzor because he only has picked on the easy target(sup me).
##push: Dirkzor
Die scum.
Fuck this, ##Pull: prplhz
Hey scum, DIE
(No pull the first day).
And that's all he's done. Now can we at least kill one scum, please?
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Okay... this is just insane guys. You spend most of the day arguing about "the plan" and then you can't even do it right.
I still think its a dumb plan because the only reason I can see to push Cephiro instead of syllo is the item and I don't want the item. Its irrelevant. Now that everyone else have gone and joined the plan I'll push cephiro if needed after the update.
About the pulls. After BM super duper stupid PoP's and supposed find of a "scum slip" he looks even worse then he did after day 1. And I still don't understand what he is posting. I just don't really think he is scum? I don't know. Not a good target anyway.
I won't mind seeing BL or mattchew dead. So pulling them is also fine. But remember we still have more then 24 hours to go and we won't get a flip before nightpost anyway. So no reason to eagerly throw PoP's left and right.
I dont understand however how Cephiros ability can be on a timer?!
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Woah... I totally forgot about Zentor. Lets fucking kill him!
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Stop derping around and focus on ONE pull target. That one target should be Bluelightz.
We split our pulls and then we won't get a flip from it. If we receive confirmation that Bluelightz has been killed, THEN we consider killing others.
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On April 05 2012 01:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm at a cafe on my phone having breakfast (weird for me actually) but this is oddly relaxing.
Wait wtf Wiggles is suddenly against lynching Bluelightz?
What's with the meek response Wiggles? Why do you not want to see him flip immediately? You claim we should use our PoPs on other people but don't even offer one to begin with. The hell?
Bluelightz I really don't see how you could be town. If you actually are town you must be deficient of about 3/4 of the brain cells everyone else possesses, for reasons already mentioned several times (I.e. The position 24 bull)
Why do you want to see him die immediately, especially since apparently the OP says that flips don't show up until the end of the day?
When I saw that the queue was hidden today, I changed my mind a bit about Bluelightz. It doesn't make sense for him to claim his role, if he had foreknowledge that the queue would be hidden the next day. Not claiming his role, would have let him use his power and blow up potentially four townies, without us knowing anything about it, especially if scum can see the queue. If scum can't see the queue as well, then they wouldn't have used his power in the first place, since they can blow up from it themselves.
At this point, we're limited in lynching by the number of pushes/pulls we have to pull people to the ends. This is especially exacerbated when we have people wanting to go for the item each day. This makes it so we have even less pushes and pulls to actually kill scum.
So, in my mind, I'm willing to take the risk of leaving bluelightz alive today. If he lies about his bombs, we kill him instantly. If he's telling the truth, then we can get him to use his power again, and that will free up a lot of our pushes and pulls for other uses, like the items, or just killing a couple more people, since we can pull targets to the two bombed spots if they're close instead of all the way to the end of the queue. This would be for people who are not priority flips, but who we think are scummy enough to die.
WBG, can you give me some concrete reasons for needing to flip bluelightz as soon as possible? So far you've just been running under your initial reason of him running away when pressured, but I haven't really seen much else since then, besides you calling him scum.
On April 04 2012 23:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. Hi guys, I'm mafia fishing for a vigilante so I can shoot him tonight, but I won't be mad. I promise!!!
Don't be silly. Firstly, most vigilantes are one-shot. Secondly, if this one isn't, we don't know that, so he could just claim one shot. So, why would I fish for what's essentially a VT now? Next, they need to claim their shot, or else I'm just going off the assumption that it was a scum kill, which changes how this played out.
Shrubbles being shot by a vig makes sense, but him being shot by scum has some interesting implications. If we assume that there was a scum between Ceph, Syllo, and Shrubbles, then why would scum shoot Shrubbles? He was considered most suspicious after Syllo among the three, so if Syllo was the scum, then you're only hastening his death. If Ceph is the scum, then you ensure that Syllo will flip, though it lets us know that Ceph is the scum quicker as well. If there's no scum among the three, mafia know this, and shooting Shrubbles makes sure that we most likely lynch Syllo, and if he flips town, Ceph. Basically, it sends us on a wild goose chase.
Can anyone answer why scum would shoot shrubbles when there's basically a list check that you're shortening by killing him? The only reasons I can think of, are that we're looking at the wrong person (syllo), or there isn't really a scum between the three of them. This is especially true considering the check doesn't confirm people as town, so lynching a scum out of them does nothing to clear the other ones, so it's not like scum had to worry about DT-checked townies or something like that.
That no one actually questioned the kills is concerning.
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There's the possibility that Sbrubbles was saving Palmar and there was some sort of target whoever is visiting the person as well mechanism.
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Since we have no idea of the roles, it's just a bunch of speculation which is why I haven't bothered and probably why others also haven't bothered questioning it.
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On April 05 2012 06:07 Dirkzor wrote:
I dont understand however how Cephiros ability can be on a timer?!
Why not? If you check Palmars reverse-ability, it was on a timer as well. In fact, if my ability wasn't on a timer it would be overpowered as hell.
I hope there are lots of you around to carry this plan to the end, but the lack of speech and the mod is worrying me. >.>
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On April 05 2012 07:08 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:07 Dirkzor wrote:
I dont understand however how Cephiros ability can be on a timer?!
Why not? If you check Palmars reverse-ability, it was on a timer as well. In fact, if my ability wasn't on a timer it would be overpowered as hell. I hope there are lots of you around to carry this plan to the end, but the lack of speech and the mod is worrying me. >.>
Then its not really on a timer. There are just certain time where you can not use it. I'm guessing 3 hours like Palmar which means we still have plente of time. I was waiting for Ace/Kurumi to update but i have to sleep soon. We'll see what happens...
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2012 06:00 Snarfs wrote:Awful lot of resistance to pulling Bluelightz off the edge and still no good reasons not to. He's lied about his role (twice) saying that the positions would be publically announced: Show nested quote +Just clarifying my role but I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SPOT IS BOOBY TRAPPED OUT OF THE 3 BUT I KNOW 1 OF THE SPOTS THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED IS SAFE. Show nested quote +3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED. He used his role which at least two people warned that doing so would get him lynched. He claimed multiple times that he's specifically blue (not PR, not town aligned, not a good toy, but blue) when there are probably no literally blue roles in the game. Show nested quote +Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz. He's used his PoPs on people who had no chance of being lynched (or just didn't use them at all). Show nested quote +So, my vote(push) will go to dirkzor because he only has picked on the easy target(sup me).
##push: Dirkzor
Die scum. (No pull the first day). And that's all he's done. Now can we at least kill one scum, please?
Snarfs how is bluelightz lying?
Everything he said lines up with the daypost.
Trying to lynch a player for claiming blue in a game in which there are no vanillas, because his blue role will flip green is silly.
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Wiggles: I have thought about the nightkills how they don't really make sense from a Scum perspective unless syllo/Cephiro is town. But I just don't think we can go on without seeing them flip. Syllo have NOT played pro-town so far and thus I would want him dead anyway.
I'm not so sure BL is scum. I don't know. Thats why I want to kill zentor instead.
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Just got back guys, I'll update the thread with anything if need be when I'm done reading.
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So there really wasn't a frantic rush after all and I could've thought about it longer. Oh well.
Anyway, good luck with the plan. Guess I'll see tomorrow whether Syllo is dead.
Ninja'd by Ace. I'll wait around for him to update and see what happened.
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On April 05 2012 07:12 Dirkzor wrote:
Then its not really on a timer. There are just certain time where you can not use it. I'm guessing 3 hours like Palmar which means we still have plente of time. I was waiting for Ace/Kurumi to update but i have to sleep soon. We'll see what happens...
Well yeah, but I thought it's fairly obvious what I meant. We do not have plenty of time however, we are running really short of it. I don't think my ability is THAT much more powerful than Palmar's, but mine is still much more limited...
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I like Ceph's plan to get the item and kill syllogism.
##push Cephiro
Also, we should kill BL for obvious reasons.
##pull Bluelightz
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Now, no-one push me until Ace updates please. Thanks for the support so far.
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On April 05 2012 06:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm at a cafe on my phone having breakfast (weird for me actually) but this is oddly relaxing.
Wait wtf Wiggles is suddenly against lynching Bluelightz?
What's with the meek response Wiggles? Why do you not want to see him flip immediately? You claim we should use our PoPs on other people but don't even offer one to begin with. The hell?
Bluelightz I really don't see how you could be town. If you actually are town you must be deficient of about 3/4 of the brain cells everyone else possesses, for reasons already mentioned several times (I.e. The position 24 bull) Why do you want to see him die immediately, especially since apparently the OP says that flips don't show up until the end of the day? When I saw that the queue was hidden today, I changed my mind a bit about Bluelightz. It doesn't make sense for him to claim his role, if he had foreknowledge that the queue would be hidden the next day. Not claiming his role, would have let him use his power and blow up potentially four townies, without us knowing anything about it, especially if scum can see the queue. If scum can't see the queue as well, then they wouldn't have used his power in the first place, since they can blow up from it themselves. At this point, we're limited in lynching by the number of pushes/pulls we have to pull people to the ends. This is especially exacerbated when we have people wanting to go for the item each day. This makes it so we have even less pushes and pulls to actually kill scum. So, in my mind, I'm willing to take the risk of leaving bluelightz alive today. If he lies about his bombs, we kill him instantly. If he's telling the truth, then we can get him to use his power again, and that will free up a lot of our pushes and pulls for other uses, like the items, or just killing a couple more people, since we can pull targets to the two bombed spots if they're close instead of all the way to the end of the queue. This would be for people who are not priority flips, but who we think are scummy enough to die. WBG, can you give me some concrete reasons for needing to flip bluelightz as soon as possible? So far you've just been running under your initial reason of him running away when pressured, but I haven't really seen much else since then, besides you calling him scum. Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 23:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. Hi guys, I'm mafia fishing for a vigilante so I can shoot him tonight, but I won't be mad. I promise!!! Don't be silly. Firstly, most vigilantes are one-shot. Secondly, if this one isn't, we don't know that, so he could just claim one shot. So, why would I fish for what's essentially a VT now? Next, they need to claim their shot, or else I'm just going off the assumption that it was a scum kill, which changes how this played out. Shrubbles being shot by a vig makes sense, but him being shot by scum has some interesting implications. If we assume that there was a scum between Ceph, Syllo, and Shrubbles, then why would scum shoot Shrubbles? He was considered most suspicious after Syllo among the three, so if Syllo was the scum, then you're only hastening his death. If Ceph is the scum, then you ensure that Syllo will flip, though it lets us know that Ceph is the scum quicker as well. If there's no scum among the three, mafia know this, and shooting Shrubbles makes sure that we most likely lynch Syllo, and if he flips town, Ceph. Basically, it sends us on a wild goose chase. Can anyone answer why scum would shoot shrubbles when there's basically a list check that you're shortening by killing him? The only reasons I can think of, are that we're looking at the wrong person (syllo), or there isn't really a scum between the three of them. This is especially true considering the check doesn't confirm people as town, so lynching a scum out of them does nothing to clear the other ones, so it's not like scum had to worry about DT-checked townies or something like that. That no one actually questioned the kills is concerning.
key points:
Bluelightz's only defense of himself was "I'm town and this is a bad idea."
Bluelightz has not attempted to find scum and he has not attempted to even play this game. I see no reason to leave him alive.
The Bluelightz pulls have been coming in incredibly slowly and there has been resistance to it despite several players displaying stronger convictions earlier in the game. Players additionally keep moving to other subjects.
I want to have him killed sooner than later because it will allow us to consolidate our pulls on someone else afterward; either in case of an emergency, or to kill someone (such as syllo or Tobon) because Cephiro fails or something like that.
As for whether scum shot sbrubbles or not, sure, it's possible. If scum shot sbrubbles then there's a strong chance risk is the scum and not either of syllo or Cephiro. How do we find out though? We can't really, unless we kill one of them. We have no idea whether scum shot Sbrubbles or Sbrubbles died for other reasons. Maybe scum shot Sbrubbles and a town vig shot Palmar! Sure, it's less likely, but its still possible, right? See how fruitless these types of discussions are?
Sbrubbles could have tried to protect Palmar and then could've died like that. Let's find out if that's possible!
If a medic targets the mirror toy, will it result in the medic's death?
Lastly, why are you concerned that no one speculated about the night kills when we already considered the possibilities you brought up? You aren't the first to attempt to address those concerns, and certainly you don't advance the discussion by acting as if we're in a dire situation of sorts because we aren't considering all the possibilities.
Trying to speculate why Bluelightz would claim his role as scum or town is as equally fruitless as trying to figure out who shot whom last night. I can think of a great reason that doesn't depend on his alignment, and that's that Bluelightz is stupid.
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WTF!??!?! Zentor... only about 50% of you are reading the thread...
I still want you dead btw.
I now no longer want BL dead. (well... if he dies no biggie  )
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On April 05 2012 07:13 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2012 06:00 Snarfs wrote:Awful lot of resistance to pulling Bluelightz off the edge and still no good reasons not to. He's lied about his role (twice) saying that the positions would be publically announced: Show nested quote +Just clarifying my role but I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SPOT IS BOOBY TRAPPED OUT OF THE 3 BUT I KNOW 1 OF THE SPOTS THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED IS SAFE. Show nested quote +3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED. He used his role which at least two people warned that doing so would get him lynched. He claimed multiple times that he's specifically blue (not PR, not town aligned, not a good toy, but blue) when there are probably no literally blue roles in the game. Show nested quote +Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz. He's used his PoPs on people who had no chance of being lynched (or just didn't use them at all). Show nested quote +So, my vote(push) will go to dirkzor because he only has picked on the easy target(sup me).
##push: Dirkzor
Die scum. (No pull the first day). And that's all he's done. Now can we at least kill one scum, please? Snarfs how is bluelightz lying? Everything he said lines up with the daypost. Trying to lynch a player for claiming blue in a game in which there are no vanillas, because his blue role will flip green is silly.
He said that the positions of the traps would be revealed in the day post. Granted that's probably something that Bluelightz would misread.
Who do you think is scum besides syllo?
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On April 05 2012 07:19 MrZentor wrote:
I like Ceph's plan to get the item and kill syllogism.
##push Cephiro
Also, we should kill BL for obvious reasons.
##pull Bluelightz
Now that you're back:
Right now I'm a little suspicious of Tobon; I'll probably post a case on him when I've had more time to digest the information.
Still feel the same?
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