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On April 03 2012 00:40 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, I seem to have misunderstood my role PM, so, 1 of 3 positions that will. Be announced with the day post will be booby trapped, the positions are randomized.
The lie is here.
I see no reason for anyone as town to ever use this role. If I got this role myself I would not use it unless I was scum.
As scum sometimes it's easier to claim your actual role instead of faking it under pressure, which could potentially explain why he would claim it as scum. Who knows at any rate; Bluelightz has long enough played against a town wincon this game that he should die.
At this point I have no clue why layabout or wiggles are defending bluelightz, but the change of heart in layabout particularly intrigues me.
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On April 04 2012 09:49 MrZentor wrote:First I'll discuss why we didn't get anything done the first day, then how we should fix it, and finally, who to kill. The first half of the day went pretty well. We discussed how we should vote, if Palmar should get the item, and a few suspicions. It started to fall apart when some people started pulling Palmar to the item before we had decided if that was a good idea. The second day was chaos. There were tons of roleclaims. People wasted their PoPs. Risk.nuke said at least one of sbrubbles, syllogism, and Cephiro was scum. Palmar got stuck at the top. The town got together and saved Palmar at the cost some PoPs. They tried to lynch the three people risk.nuke had said, but because they couldn't decide on who to kill, it was a no lynch. Finally, mafia got VE into the redzone. Now the mafia have another kill, and we don't have much information. We need to decide on what people we're going to kill before we start pushing them, so no PoPs get wasted. In fact, I don't want to see any PoPs on the first half of the day unless you're sure you won't be able to be there during the second half of the day, or we agreed to use some PoPs to get the item or to confirm a role claim. A PoP is best used near the end of the day, because it's when you have to most information. I probably sound like a huge hypocrite saying this when I didn't use my PoPs yesterday, but I had planned on being able to get on the computer yesterday, and the events that arose were unforeseeable.
Of cephiro, syllogism, and sbrubbles, cephiro seems the most innocent. He has been extremely active and has been very cooperative. His overreaction to the idea of Palmar getting the item is a little suspicious. Sbrubbles started by lurking, but recently he has been active and made some good posts. Syllogism is the scummiest. He threw away his vote and spent several pages bickering with WBG.
Right now I'm a little suspicious of Tobon; I'll probably post a case on him when I've had more time to digest the information.
Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 08:09 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: MrZentor is back. Hope more activity means we can expect a clarification on why you didn't PoP. In case you missed my other post or the beginning of this post, I had a bunch of crazy stuff come up, so I didn't have access to a computer to PoP.
This is a great post by Zentor that does a whole lot of absolutely nothing.
I agree that Zentor looks pretty bad and we should consider killing him as well.
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On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Do we get to see the queue at the end of the day?
Yes
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On April 05 2012 07:22 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:13 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2012 06:00 Snarfs wrote:Awful lot of resistance to pulling Bluelightz off the edge and still no good reasons not to. He's lied about his role (twice) saying that the positions would be publically announced: Show nested quote +Just clarifying my role but I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SPOT IS BOOBY TRAPPED OUT OF THE 3 BUT I KNOW 1 OF THE SPOTS THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED IS SAFE. Show nested quote +3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED. He used his role which at least two people warned that doing so would get him lynched. He claimed multiple times that he's specifically blue (not PR, not town aligned, not a good toy, but blue) when there are probably no literally blue roles in the game. Show nested quote +Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz. He's used his PoPs on people who had no chance of being lynched (or just didn't use them at all). Show nested quote +So, my vote(push) will go to dirkzor because he only has picked on the easy target(sup me).
##push: Dirkzor
Die scum. (No pull the first day). And that's all he's done. Now can we at least kill one scum, please? Snarfs how is bluelightz lying? Everything he said lines up with the daypost. Trying to lynch a player for claiming blue in a game in which there are no vanillas, because his blue role will flip green is silly. He said that the positions of the traps would be revealed in the day post. Granted that's probably something that Bluelightz would misread. Who do you think is scum besides syllo?
Bluelightz, prplhz, maybe mattchew.
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@WBG: all of this from a guy who (rightfully) insists on consolidating pops. Current suspects are, unless I am missing something: Syllo (and pushes on Cephiro to get Syllo), Bluelightz, Tobon, BillMurray (although I disagree, I just think he's dumb), Mattchew and MrZentor. I personally wouldn't mind seeing MrWiggles in that list too.
Seeing as there's only 5 scum and we cannot possibly hope to lynch all those people today, MIND CONSOLIDATING?
Votes have already been cast on Syllo (by way of Cephiro, assuming that pans out) and Bluelightz. I personally think those are pretty good votes (although I still think we should just have straight up lynched Syllo).
Given that any lynch today requires us to push someone completely off the queue to ensure a kill, we should really focus on one target at a time (or one for pushing and one for pulling).
Discussing other targets seems fine, but at this point please don't consider poping them.
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On April 05 2012 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 00:40 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, I seem to have misunderstood my role PM, so, 1 of 3 positions that will. Be announced with the day post will be booby trapped, the positions are randomized. The lie is here. I see no reason for anyone as town to ever use this role. If I got this role myself I would not use it unless I was scum. As scum sometimes it's easier to claim your actual role instead of faking it under pressure, which could potentially explain why he would claim it as scum. Who knows at any rate; Bluelightz has long enough played against a town wincon this game that he should die. At this point I have no clue why layabout or wiggles are defending bluelightz, but the change of heart in layabout particularly intrigues me.
Because i honestly believe that Bluelightz might do this as town. I am concerned that some people are PoPing him because his actions are terrible not because they think he is scum. After yesterday it should be clear how important discussion and planning are. I am concerned that Bluelightz received so many PoP's in a short amount of time before there had been time for a proper discussion. It seems like you had all decided what to do before i even opened the thread and before Bluelightz could defend himself.
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On April 05 2012 01:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
are positions carried over more or less day to day or are they randomized every day?
Randomized every day.
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@Cephiro: This is necessarily vague and roundabout since I don't know exactly what you intend. If there is any point at which your plan is dependent on getting out of the fire once you are in there and relocation would be helpful, remember that I offered safety from VE potentially being fried on day 1.
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On April 05 2012 07:44 Tobon wrote:
@Cephiro: This is necessarily vague and roundabout since I don't know exactly what you intend. If there is any point at which your plan is dependent on getting out of the fire once you are in there and relocation would be helpful, remember that I offered safety from VE potentially being fried on day 1.
I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm syllo as scum in a worst case scenario. I am fairly sure I know your ability, and I'm sad to see there are people pushing for your lynch.
I trust you to save town with it at the right time. 
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On April 05 2012 07:43 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 03 2012 00:40 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, I seem to have misunderstood my role PM, so, 1 of 3 positions that will. Be announced with the day post will be booby trapped, the positions are randomized. The lie is here. I see no reason for anyone as town to ever use this role. If I got this role myself I would not use it unless I was scum. As scum sometimes it's easier to claim your actual role instead of faking it under pressure, which could potentially explain why he would claim it as scum. Who knows at any rate; Bluelightz has long enough played against a town wincon this game that he should die. At this point I have no clue why layabout or wiggles are defending bluelightz, but the change of heart in layabout particularly intrigues me. Because i honestly believe that Bluelightz might do this as town. I am concerned that some people are PoPing him because his actions are terrible not because they think he is scum. After yesterday it should be clear how important discussion and planning are. I am concerned that Bluelightz received so many PoP's in a short amount of time before there had been time for a proper discussion. It seems like you had all decided what to do before i even opened the thread and before Bluelightz could defend himself.
I kinda agree with Layabout here. BL is able to do crazy things. Also as town. I've played with him a few times and I've not seen great town play from him yet (No offence). The same goes for BM. What he pulled off was weird but it doesn't necesarily make him scummy in my eyes.
We still have over 24h and I'm slightly pissed that people PoP'ed anyone only a few hours into the day.
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On April 05 2012 07:37 Acrofales wrote:
@WBG: all of this from a guy who (rightfully) insists on consolidating pops. Current suspects are, unless I am missing something: Syllo (and pushes on Cephiro to get Syllo), Bluelightz, Tobon, BillMurray (although I disagree, I just think he's dumb), Mattchew and MrZentor. I personally wouldn't mind seeing MrWiggles in that list too.
Seeing as there's only 5 scum and we cannot possibly hope to lynch all those people today, MIND CONSOLIDATING?
Votes have already been cast on Syllo (by way of Cephiro, assuming that pans out) and Bluelightz. I personally think those are pretty good votes (although I still think we should just have straight up lynched Syllo).
Given that any lynch today requires us to push someone completely off the queue to ensure a kill, we should really focus on one target at a time (or one for pushing and one for pulling).
Discussing other targets seems fine, but at this point please don't consider poping them.
Yes, consolidating on Bluelightz (what do you think I've been trying to do?)
I'm discussing other players because once we kill Bluelightz we can potentially kill another player.
I agree with you that there are too many suspects. There are clearly some dumb people in this town. I can't figure out whether wiggles is being malicious or whether he's just not putting enough effort in. For most of the game I have considered him town, though. Players like Zentor and Bluelightz are legitimately capable of being bad. There's not much difference between the two, to be honest.
Mattchew looks like scum, particularly because he played completely differently in GoT. I don't think he is just having a bad game.
In the remaining players we have prplhz who is looking more town simply because the rest of the players are looking worse. Wouldn't count him out yet though, and if syllo flips scum he'll be the first I'll go after.
If syllo/prpl are scum that leaves 3 out of these players, IMO:
mattchew, bluelightz, zentor, tobon, BM.
We just need flips. Consolidating does not mean we only need to flip one person today. We can flip two and it'll be great.
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On April 05 2012 07:34 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:22 Snarfs wrote:On April 05 2012 07:13 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2012 06:00 Snarfs wrote:Awful lot of resistance to pulling Bluelightz off the edge and still no good reasons not to. He's lied about his role (twice) saying that the positions would be publically announced: Show nested quote +Just clarifying my role but I DO NOT KNOW WHICH SPOT IS BOOBY TRAPPED OUT OF THE 3 BUT I KNOW 1 OF THE SPOTS THAT WILL BE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED IS SAFE. Show nested quote +3 RANDOMIZED POSITIONS IN THE QUEUE WILL BE ANNOUNCED PUBLICLY THE NEXT DAY, BUT ONLY 1 IS BOOBY TRAPPED. He used his role which at least two people warned that doing so would get him lynched. He claimed multiple times that he's specifically blue (not PR, not town aligned, not a good toy, but blue) when there are probably no literally blue roles in the game. Show nested quote +Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz. He's used his PoPs on people who had no chance of being lynched (or just didn't use them at all). Show nested quote +So, my vote(push) will go to dirkzor because he only has picked on the easy target(sup me).
##push: Dirkzor
Die scum. (No pull the first day). And that's all he's done. Now can we at least kill one scum, please? Snarfs how is bluelightz lying? Everything he said lines up with the daypost. Trying to lynch a player for claiming blue in a game in which there are no vanillas, because his blue role will flip green is silly. He said that the positions of the traps would be revealed in the day post. Granted that's probably something that Bluelightz would misread. Who do you think is scum besides syllo? Bluelightz, prplhz, maybe mattchew.
Mattchew I could see as scum. Hasn't scumhunted at all. Not even his PoPs give any indication of who he thinks is scum.
prplhz seems pretty town to me. I haven't had any problems following his train of thought and his intentions seem good.
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On April 05 2012 07:47 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:44 Tobon wrote:
@Cephiro: This is necessarily vague and roundabout since I don't know exactly what you intend. If there is any point at which your plan is dependent on getting out of the fire once you are in there and relocation would be helpful, remember that I offered safety from VE potentially being fried on day 1. I appriciate that, but even in the case my quest fails you shouldn't save me, as me dying will confirm syllo as scum in a worst case scenario. I am fairly sure I know your ability, and I'm sad to see there are people pushing for your lynch. I trust you to save town with it at the right time.
Welp, that sealed it for me.
##Push Cephiro
If you're willing to die to confirm syllo should your plan fail, then at least you're thinking straight.
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On April 05 2012 07:52 Snarfs wrote:
##Push Cephiro
If you're willing to die to confirm syllo should your plan fail, then at least you're thinking straight.
You should have waited until Ace updated the PoP count....  But hopefully that won't be enough to push me over the edge yet. Glad to see you doing the right thing though.
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No more pushes yet! We don't know exactly how many are needed, and we certainly don't want Cephiro falling off the front before he does whatever he plans to do.
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Oh come on... stop with the pushing... He'll end over the edge...
START READING THE THREAD DAMMIT!
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Nemesis has his push still left, right?
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Pfft, calm down. I trust the hosts not to let their game get screwed over just because people can't wait in the thread for 4 hours for them to update the PoP count.
If he has received an item by this point, will you inform Cephiro after which PoP he would have received the item? It only seems fair given we can't always wait around for you or Kurumi to update the thread.
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Its the morning and im leaving for school soon but just telling if you guys need my pull I can pull when I come back later tonight.
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I'm in a rush. More thoughts later.
##Push Cephiro
##Pull Bluelightz
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