EPTOn April 05 2012 08:10 cascades wrote:
I'm in a rush. More thoughts later.
##Push Cephiro
##Pull Bluelightz
I'm in a rush. More thoughts later.
##Push Cephiro
##Pull Bluelightz
Scumbag..
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Tobon
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wherebugsgo
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People who need to stop fucking around if they are town: mattchew, cascades, bluelightz, BM, MrZentor The chance that all of you are scum is incredibly marginal, so please, whichever ones of you are town, step it up and try to help find the scum. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
syllogism, prplhz, Acrofales, cascades, Mattchew. I am not saying these are absolutely right, but these are people that you should definitely look into more closely. On April 03 2012 05:49 Acrofales wrote: Hey VE, I'll help get Palmar out of there, but it has to happen in the next hour or so, because then I'm going to bed. I wish my ability could be used during the day: I have an easier way to get him out, but it can only be used at night :S Just noticed that in his filter. Anyone else curious? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 05 2012 08:21 Cephiro wrote: While waiting for the PoP count, I'd like to remind town of my top-5 scumreads: syllogism, prplhz, Acrofales, cascades, Mattchew. I am not saying these are absolutely right, but these are people that you should definitely look into more closely. Just noticed that in his filter. Anyone else curious? sounds like he was trying to bait a night hit or roleblock /wifom | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 05 2012 08:29 Cephiro wrote: Oh also, I just realized I have not used my own PoPs yet, would you like me to pull Bluelightz? As he is the one that has currently been mostly pulled, and I am fine with "lynching" him, as if I was to change one person in my top-5 scumlist, I'd switch Acro for blue. We aren't even halfway through the day yet. You might as well wait and see what he has to say for himself. I think you need to take another look at Acrofales. What do you think his intentions are when he is posting? Is his "flip-flopping" scummy? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 05 2012 08:41 layabout wrote: We aren't even halfway through the day yet. You might as well wait and see what he has to say for himself. I think you need to take another look at Acrofales. What do you think his intentions are when he is posting? Is his "flip-flopping" scummy? I am currently taking another look at Acrofales, as he is the person of those 5 that I suspect the least. I am trying to look at his filter objectively without using any game knowledge that I had which we he may not have had when I consider his answers. But for now, I'm waiting to see the refreshed PoP count. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On April 01 2012 13:42 Tobon wrote: Hiya, I too, am a good toy. How do we want to do this? There was an attempt at using a voting system in Death Factory 1 in order to help coordinate the pushes/pulls, but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly as toys started exploring using their powers. Can we start with a couple easy ground rules, like PoPing someone off the ends of the queue or into the fire zone is extremely anti-town without a majority in favor? He said this after WBG had claimed that he was a good toy with his first post. While this seems like something WBG would do, Tobon following his trend shows that he is afraid of doing something that differs from the norm. Also, it shows that he may already feel some guilt as scum. On April 02 2012 13:52 Tobon wrote: Already explained that I wasn't suggesting it, I was bringing it up to start discussion. In the same sentence that I "proposed" it, I also said that it failed to go anywhere. Just overly wordy on my part. The important point is that Palmar very likely has the entire queue flip once-per-game power. Yeah, so? I'd shrug and chalk this up to pressure except for the push. The push was completely wasteful. There's no feeling I've noticed on anyone else's part that I might be scum, so why would you throw away your push with more than 24 hours to go? Shouldn't you be trying to build a case or convince other people, while seeing what other people do as well, and then use your PoPs more productively nearer the deadline? As it is, this really comes across as an excuse to use up your push so you won't be responsible for going against majority town's choice when it comes. FoS: Nemesis. Tobon says he was just bringing up the idea of a secondary voting system to generate discussion but thought it was a bad idea. Why would you bring up an idea that you thought was bad? There are a ton of bad ideas out there and discussing something that you know is a bad idea is just a huge waste of time. On April 02 2012 14:23 Tobon wrote: BTW, at present I agree with VE's read and I'm fine with pushing Blue into the fire. I'd also be fine at this point with burning our lurkers. I'd just rather save my PoPs for closer to the end of day to see what more happens. I'm also provisionally believing BM, which means he, VE and Snarfs are provisionally town. I like Acrofales's filter so far, Cephiro's too, although I wish there was more of it. Null reads on others. More talk from more people needed. Come on good toys, more activity! He brings up another horrible idea, except this time he thinks it's a good idea. They already had several good suspects at that time, such as BL, so why would you spend your PoPs on killing lurkers? Killing lurkers should only be an option when you run out of suspects or when the lurker's few posts seem scummy. On April 04 2012 02:45 Tobon wrote: Um... what? If one of them dies and flips scum, we're that much closer to winning this thing. The point of the game, remember? (Total WIFOM time, but this post makes me doubt risk's claim for the first time. It's really dumb. It makes me wonder why the red light that we saw is a different one than the one in DFM1. Much less cop-esque. Much more evil-looking.) However: I think both Sburbbles and Syllo are scummy enough that I'd be perfectly happy with pulling off whichever one of the two ends up closest to the bottom of the queue when our placement is randomized at the beginning of day 2. He also doubts risk's claim. There is really no reason to doubt risk, because there hasn't been any information that goes against him or anything he claimed. It seems like Tobon is trying to instill doubt over risk's claim in order to save his scum buddy(s). On April 04 2012 13:38 Tobon wrote: Now, that having been said: Assuming that your power is some sort of swapping ability, so you end up safe and someone else ends up in the fire zone, doesn't it require the same number (well, similar number, since we don't know actual positions) of PoPs to get you there as it would require to get the presumed scum there? So is the advantage only that you get the item as well? Or is there something more clever going on here? And I suppose feel free not to answer if it reveals too much, I just want to know if we could fry scum with the same PoPs and save your power for a day when you could see what you were doing... He pushes Cephiro to reveal more about his role, which I don't think is necessary, because currently Cephiro seems like the most townie person, so we should trust him. All of these things make me suspect that Tobon is scum. On April 05 2012 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: This is a great post by Zentor that does a whole lot of absolutely nothing. I agree that Zentor looks pretty bad and we should consider killing him as well. I disagree. It shows that I feel town should be more organized, how we should organize our PoPs, my stance on the risk detective thing, an explanation for my absence, one of my suspects, and a promise for a case on him. | ||
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
Mr.Zentor is one of the lurkers we should burn, yes. Risk.nuke (what little filter we have from him) is acting dumb. That makes me question my assumptions, yes. I explicitly tell Cephiro not to claim, I just wonder (as several of us have) whether it'd just be easier / more efficient to push scum directly. I'm not the only one who has been uncomfortable supporting a plan that I know no details of. It's too late for that now that he has gotten all the pushes, though - I'm ready to push him further (if necessary) as soon as we get updated. I stand behind all those quoted bits, and I think they are all obviously towny. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:05 Tobon wrote: "I am a good toy" is a scum tell? Mr.Zentor is one of the lurkers we should burn, yes. Risk.nuke (what little filter we have from him) is acting dumb. That makes me question my assumptions, yes. I explicitly tell Cephiro not to claim, I just wonder (as several of us have) whether it'd just be easier / more efficient to push scum directly. I'm not the only one who has been uncomfortable supporting a plan that I know no details of. It's too late for that now that he has gotten all the pushes, though - I'm ready to push him further (if necessary) as soon as we get updated. I stand behind all those quoted bits, and I think they are all obviously towny. Defending yourself before you're attacked and blindly following other people is a scum tell. Him not posting much isn't much of a reason to doubt him. You wanted more information on Cephiro; I know you didn't want him to all or claim(at least you said you didn't) You don't need to know the details of the plain if you trust Cephiro is town. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Day 2 PoPs - Day 2 + Show Spoiler + Mr.Wiggles Bluelightz Pull prplhz risk.nuke Push Cephiro Dirkzor Mattchew Snarfs Pull Bluelightz Cephiro Tobon wherebugsgo Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro layabout syllogism Mr.Zentor Pull Bluelightz prplhz Pull Bluelightz Push Cephiro Acrofales Push Cephiro Bill MurrayPush wherebugsgo Pull Snarfs cascades Pull Bluelightz Nemesis 17 Toys alive, 5 Bad Toys remain. Day 2 ends on Friday April 6th @ 12:00 AM ET 04:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Cephiro
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Snarfs
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Snarfs
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On April 05 2012 09:23 Cephiro wrote: I have been nullified. I cannot be targeted by PoP-actions, and I am roleblocked for the next day/night cycle. (I will be able to use my ability on D3, if I live that far.) Well, at least we only wasted 4 Pushes and still have plenty left to push syllo. | ||
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Cephiro
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Snarfs
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Cephiro
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There is a small chance that scum knows my exact position in the queue. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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he's clearly scum at this point, not even bothering to defend himself. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote: everyone who still has a push ability should now push syllo. he's clearly scum at this point, not even bothering to defend himself. I suggest not to push him unless you plan on doing it in a blink of an eye and all the way up. I agree that he should be killed, but if there is any other way than pushes, go for it. | ||
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