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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 24 2012 13:17 BlazingJitsu wrote: I consider Paq to be an acceptable lynch, and if it really comes down to it, I might be able make do with you as well. But Marv has pretty much claimed scum, and needs to die. I'll do some rereading before I come to a verdict on you. That being said, I understand the necessity of discussing other candidates today given the general badditude of everyone who's like "oh Marv isn't scum". I will make all appropriate efforts to find the 3 Non-Marv Scums (NMSes)-- but lynching Marv is the most important thing for today and is my top priority. -Blazinghand BH, help johnny get some rope | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
On April 24 2012 14:25 johnnywup wrote: Besides thinking marv is scum, do you disagree with the others, Blazing? People are idiots. so: two people that voted for VE confirmed town. plus, VE voted for himself. That leaves six-- guaranteed at least one mafia was on that wagon. We just need to find them. Time to review some D1. -Blazinghand | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
If he wants to lynch Marv then I'll go spool it and twist it from strings into rope myself. -Blazinghand | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 24 2012 13:03 Janaan wrote: Only real case that Slo0sh had was on MG (and VE, but that doesn't matter at this point) and even that wasn't much more than pressure, not a full-on case. It's WIFOM, but I'd be willing to bet that it was blue-hunting. Gonzaw seemed like the only 100% town player in my mind, especially during N1. I'll definitely take his reads into account, and I hope everyone else does too. He gave reads on almost all the players in the game, so that should help. I'm not terribly surprised he died. At the moment, I'm most in favor of a Zepherrd lynch Day 2. Specifically, the post I quoted before seems fishy to me. I agree with the case against him as well. This is good posting. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
On April 24 2012 14:34 Bill Murray wrote: Bh, Why do you want to lynch him? I don't see it. First he was scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=14#270 Then he PRETENDED to be townie but didn't help, making him even more scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=19#377 and things only deteriorated from there: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=30#592 And at the end of the day, his vote was on VE, and not for great reasons, as I mentioned in the linked case. That's currently my reasoning. -Blazinghand | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I liked your Paqman defense. I was surmising creating a defense post myself. It is pretty fun. | ||
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Bill Murray
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
Examining the VE wagon, the vote for him that stands out the most is Ottoxlol's vote. Let's take a look: On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a bullshit reason for voting VisceraEyes. If we take a look at it at it's core, he's basically saying "VE played in a sub-optimal way" as the basis for his case, but take a look at how he finishes his little case summary: On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. He closes off his case by trying to abdicate responsibility for it. He knows VE is going to flip town, and he wants to blame other people when it happens without sounding inconsistent. Now, on its own, maybe this wouldn't be so bad. I mean, it's scummy as fuck, but maybe we have bigger targets, like Marv? Well, let's take a look on what Ottoxlol has been doing to "scumhunt" since D1: On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote: I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later This says absolutely nothing. This is Ottoxlol trying to push people who were on the VE wagon with some unhelpful WIFOM. Paying close attention to this post, you'll realize he doesn't actually push anyone as scum. This is unhelpful shitty dick play. This is scum play that he set up D1. This is Ottoxlol trying to pool the proverbial wool over the town's eyes by trying to appear helpful. Ottoxlol, you didn't want to take responsibility for your vote on VE, and you don't want to take responsibility for pushing others on his wagon. Your posts are waffling, unhelpful, and scummy. ##vote: Ottoxlol Come at me bro -Blazinghand | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 24 2012 13:12 MidnightGladius wrote: Zephirdd's behavior throughout the night, along with his continued attempts to justify his earlier play, reinforce my earlier scumread on him. I haven't looked at Sentinel in as much detail. That said, I still think that you're scum, johnny. You have zeph as your strongest scumread, but refuse to vote for him, and ask for town consensus first, when we've just started the day, and you have the most time to convince others? You have yet to actually push your own scumreads, outside of your earlier sheeping. Your unwillingness to actually put your vote where your voice is very suspicious, and I think that you're trying to gently push for a bandwagon without actually committing. This behavior is just like zeph's list earlier, which is why I'm of the opinion that you're bussing him. ##Vote: johnnywup Oh, and BJ, do you still insist on tunneling marv? MG - I'd really like an answer to the points I raised in my answer to sloosh about you (others have raised it too) I'm sure I'm not the only one with a comment written down on you like mine - "MidnightGladius seemed townie but very odd VE voter shenanigans" + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote: I'll make a separate post on Zephirdd, as it is I've just gone over MG's filter so a few of my thoughts. Might as well start with the bit about me. His vote for me after BH's case and subsequent withdrawal of his vote after I continued posting seemed genuine. It is basically what I expect from a rational player. His case against johnny seems solid. I liked that he wasn't wishy washy about it, and the fact he subsequently tried to push it a little when there was little support also seemed genuine. There is something strange about his posts on the VE issue. Is VE and his claim scummy? Yes, apparently it is. Although he can't believe how town let the ridiculously scummy guy die. MG asks how town let this happen, with a sense of righteous indignation. But, given he's supposedly 'town' himself, what did he do about it?: So the question then - why was he willing to blame the rest of the non-VE voters for allowing the VE lynch when he wasn't willing to take action himself? Is it because he in fact tacitly supported it? Quick summary: reasonable vote and rescind on me. Reasonable case on jdub without being wishy washy. Some pretty dodgy stuff with the VE vote. I really don't like how he's shown he wants to gun for VE voters when he himself called VE ridiculously scummy and also did nothing to prevent the VE lynch. | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On April 24 2012 18:40 BlazingJitsu wrote: Examining the VE wagon, the vote for him that stands out the most is Ottoxlol's vote. Let's take a look: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a bullshit reason for voting VisceraEyes. If we take a look at it at it's core, he's basically saying "VE played in a sub-optimal way" as the basis for his case, but take a look at how he finishes his little case summary: Yes. VE is good -> if VE is town he shouldn't have claimed. Why is this bullshit reasoning? He closes off his case by trying to abdicate responsibility for it. He knows VE is going to flip town, and he wants to blame other people when it happens without sounding inconsistent. I see, scum Ottox would post this I aggree. Now, on its own, maybe this wouldn't be so bad. I mean, it's scummy as fuck, but maybe we have bigger targets, like Marv? Well, let's take a look on what Ottoxlol has been doing to "scumhunt" since D1: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote: I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out. Sentinel attacked BM Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp marv attacked Zeph BM defending Zeph and marv laya attacking marv, defending zeph Zeph attacking BM, and marv I think this will not make a strong read, but I try If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa . So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later This says absolutely nothing. This is Ottoxlol trying to push people who were on the VE wagon with some unhelpful WIFOM. Paying close attention to this post, you'll realize he doesn't actually push anyone as scum. This is unhelpful shitty dick play. This is scum play that he set up D1. This is Ottoxlol trying to pool the proverbial wool over the town's eyes by trying to appear helpful. I wrote that I don't have a good read that's why i did not push. I started to look into the names that came up and I felt none of them was convincing so I made a post that maybe can help others. How is that anti-town? Ottoxlol, you didn't want to take responsibility for your vote on VE, and you don't want to take responsibility for pushing others on his wagon. Your posts are waffling, unhelpful, and scummy. You can read my posts, I still stand beside my reasoning. Especially after he started yelling and spewing up random names. I pushed him because I sincerely thought he was scum. No one came up with anything that swayed me. ##vote: Ottoxlol Come at me bro -Blazinghand | ||
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Ottoxlol
735 Posts
On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote: Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case. All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. You did not make a good enough case against Marv and you did not defend VE. So you were not that confident. | ||
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
On April 24 2012 19:45 Ottoxlol wrote: You did not make a good enough case against Marv and you did not defend VE. So you were not that confident. lol this kid -Blazinghand | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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BlazingJitsu
United States112 Posts
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