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Right now I'm happy with lynching into any of these players:
Marvellosity
BillMurray
layabout
Sentinel
Ottoxlol
Zephridd
It gives us better chances at catching a scum because I think there was most definitely at least 1 scum on this vote. Maybe even two. I will be looking into all these people a lot more closely. Not only is it a better chance for catching scum statistically, but none of these players even seem remotely towny to me. I guess I will have to find the scummiest one.
At the moment I find the case about Ottoxol to be good. After reading the case I re-read Ottoxols filter, which is decieving if you look at it. It makes it look like he wasn't lurking. But yet, all the posts were of him talking about gonzaws plan, or of how GF have no KP read da rules, or of how VE was bad, or anti-town. He never once explained why VE was scummy, other than, this is bad town play it must be scum. He's not answering all my questions he must be scum. I will add a couple of weird quotes to supplement what BJ already said.
On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote:
It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread.
My case against VE was simple.
He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE.
The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted.
I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl.
He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him.
On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote:
If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there.
Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes.
Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it.
##Vote: Ottoxlol
Going to look at the other suspects now.
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On April 24 2012 21:17 Mattchew wrote:
Ottox lynch is fine for tommorrow today we should lynch confirmed scum in bm
Mattchew: I would like you to elaborate a little. Why is BM confirmed scum? He's been posting more actively since Day 1.
I also think both Zephirdd and Sentinel make better lynches than Ottox. What do you think of these?
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On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him
I really appreciate the support BM, but you should just contribute more plz :S
The only people pressuring me after Mattchew was done was BJ.
Be back in roughly 8 to 9 hours!
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He ninja voted the most well known scum hunter in the game... To me that's like saying hi I'm
Scum lynch me... And he hasn't said anything of value if you think he has you are reading something I'm not
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On April 24 2012 21:35 Mattchew wrote:
He ninja voted the most well known scum hunter in the game... To me that's like saying hi I'm
Scum lynch me... And he hasn't said anything of value if you think he has you are reading something I'm not
I asked more than one question.
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[QUOTE]On April 24 2012 21:29 Mementoss wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote:
It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread.
My case against VE was simple.
He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE.
The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted.
I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl.
He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him.
My other posts explained why the timing was strange. If scum VE wants to claim he claims when he's pressured and an easy wagon appears. I said the bad play can mean 2 things, either he's town or a scum (wow that was surprising). If he would have answered why he thought it was good as townie or at least not give up I would have considered that he's not trying to escape the lynch with a fakeclaim, but he tried something that was not optimal. If you look at my filter you can see, I asked about him because before his claim I had only a little suspicion on him
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote:
If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there.
Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes.
What? I did not say why is it scummy? Reread. I was arguing if he's playing a bad townie play or a scummy scum play, this choice of words further proves my previous reply that I wanted him to respond, to explain his play.VE had 5 votes against marv's 6. This is also in one of my posts, this was why I argued he shouldnt have claimed because scum was very unlikely to night kill the second highest vote. He claimed right after BM voted for him -> ninja vote ez wagon.
Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it.
I don't, I had a case d1 about VE, I pushed it. It was a big fail. If I have a strong read I will post it.
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[QUOTE]On April 24 2012 21:48 Ottoxlol wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 24 2012 21:29 Mementoss wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 10:38 Ottoxlol wrote:
It seems like the ppl doesnt read the whole thread.
My case against VE was simple.
He told us never give up any information to the scum, then proceed to a bad claim that ensures his early death as a blue. This is bad play, hes the best player ever so he would not do that if he is indeed town JK. I tried to ask him about this decision tell me what did I miss or what was his idea what would happen, no answer. He ignored my 6 posts directed towards him, then after the votes started to pile up on him he tried defending himself, I told him what am i interested in, he talked about the massvigclaim after we already closed it and had nothing to do with his lynch. He did not read my posts, failed to comprehend them and when I asked him to explain his play he start writing in all caps, and ragequitting. Like a scum VE.
The timing was strange too, the claim was around the time BM ninja voted.
I did not vote on him because of his bad play, I voted him because he did not answer to my accusations or questions just gave up like a little girl.
He says statements that have the potential to explain why it could have been scummy actions but he never explains why its scummy. Such as: "The timing was strange", wait what, how? Also, you did not vote on him based on bad play? Then why the fuck did you talk about it so much in all your posts directed to him? It musta had somewhat of a good influence on your voting towards him.
My other posts explained why the timing was strange. If scum VE wants to claim he claims when he's pressured and an easy wagon appears. I said the bad play can mean 2 things, either he's town or a scum (wow that was surprising). If he would have answered why he thought it was good as townie or at least not give up I would have considered that he's not trying to escape the lynch with a fakeclaim, but he tried something that was not optimal. If you look at my filter you can see, I asked about him because before his claim I had only a little suspicion on him
+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 23:27 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 23:05 Mattchew wrote:
If you want to vote for VE because he is not playing Jailkeeper the way you would, you are a jubjub. If you can think of a good reason that a scum VE would logically claim there, or at all on day 1, please present that. Scum VE failed at logic at the plan discussion phase, then proceeded to avoid answering to my questions 5 times in a row. Since he still did not explained why it is good for us that he claimed, I don't see how can this be anything but anti-town. Scum would claim this if they want to avoid a d1 lynch and a nice wagon appears that not too suspicious to jump on. Like the BM train. I wonder how many scums are on that. If i were a vig i would definitely shoot there.
Well you dodged matthews question. So that makes you scum by your own logic? You say its anti-town, or bad town, you don't say its scummy, or why its scummy. Just its bad for town. You note that scum would do this to avoid a day 1 lynch, but wait, VE didn't do that, he had barely any pressure on him when he claimed, he had 3 votes to Marvs 6. So this is just wrong. Also you say that scum would want to jump on the BM wagon, well at the time BM wagon as you call it was barely even moving. I think it had 2-3 votes.
What? I did not say why is it scummy? Reread. I was arguing if he's playing a bad townie play or a scummy scum play, this choice of words further proves my previous reply that I wanted him to respond, to explain his play.VE had 5 votes against marv's 6. This is also in one of my posts, this was why I argued he shouldnt have claimed because scum was very unlikely to night kill the second highest vote. He claimed right after BM voted for him -> ninja vote ez wagon.
Basically your avoiding giving a detailed opinion on who is scum and why they are scum at all costs. You give handy suggestions like vigs shoot into BM voters. Or your little WIFOM earlier, but that is it.
I don't, I had a case d1 about VE, I pushed it. It was a big fail. If I have a strong read I will post it.
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Actions speak louder than words my friend. I would challenge you to try and post a case today based on scum reads. Preferably from the list I gave, if you believe that there is scum in there.
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I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong.
Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts.
Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there
layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town
Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution
Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too.
We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched.
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On April 24 2012 21:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 21:35 Mattchew wrote:
He ninja voted the most well known scum hunter in the game... To me that's like saying hi I'm
Scum lynch me... And he hasn't said anything of value if you think he has you are reading something I'm not I asked more than one question.
I posted my reads on Everyone... Zeph has gotten worse since the flip big time. But ottox is trying to play the "I'm a newb and can't make a case" card... This screams scum to me louder than zeph trying to tell us what to think about his ve vote and trying to deflect the backlash of ve flipping blue. Sent is non existent but not as scummy as bm or Ottox or zeph
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Is Ottoxlol actually a newb? My current read is that he's playing newb town. Of course if he's actually experienced at all it's a different kettle of fish.
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So your case is that I can't make a case? Please make a case before calling me out.
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Also, I don't want this to get lost on St. Daniel.
On April 22 2012 16:44 St.Daniel wrote:
I do have a case for Marv and I'm not sure how I feel about Ghost, but it's 3:40 and I'm dead tired. I'll post tomorrow on those two so please understand.
Bold is my emphasis.
On April 23 2012 08:58 St.Daniel wrote:
On April 23 2012 11:11 St.Daniel wrote:
On April 23 2012 11:41 St.Daniel wrote:
The three timestamps above are his posting in SNMN X. But absolutely nothing here since the first post I quoted. Promise to post, then doesn't post, despite clearly being online at various other times the next day.
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*sigh*
BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum.
Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum
Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him.
Also
On April 24 2012 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
Is Ottoxlol actually a newb? My current read is that he's playing newb town. Of course if he's actually experienced at all it's a different kettle of fish.
It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter
By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now.
Last post of his:
On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it.
It's been about 12 hours.
He also has very little substance.
Leaving my vote on him for now.
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Oh right... Forgot about st Daniel... Yeah we need to lynch him too if a vig doesn't get to shooting
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On April 24 2012 23:19 Mattchew wrote:
Oh right... Forgot about st Daniel... Yeah we need to lynch him too if a vig doesn't get to shooting
Don't forget about Janaan and BKexe too, lurking hard.
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On April 24 2012 23:19 Mattchew wrote:
Oh right... Forgot about st Daniel... Yeah we need to lynch him too if a vig doesn't get to shooting
Yup, we can't forget the lurkers. Especially ones with broken promises like St. Daniel.
Speaking of lurkers, BroodkingEXE - what do you think of current lynch favourites, Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol?
Or do you still think I'm scum, and if so why?
We need to hear from you.
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StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch.
@marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on.
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