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On April 25 2012 01:43 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 01:40 Ottoxlol wrote:On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair. This. Anyone have a better plan? Well this is a scum tell if I ever heard one. We lynch who we think is scum. If they are scum, that automatically gives us information. We don't lynch for information. You could easily be scum saying, if we lynch this guy it gives us information on this guy. Wasting 2 days of lynch into townies.
Ok, you clearly did not got my reasoning. Of course we lynch for scum, this is the plan to what to do with that information.
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On April 25 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 01:44 Ottoxlol wrote:On April 24 2012 22:21 Ottoxlol wrote:
I believe that there is at least one scum on that list, I read them all. I couldn't come up with a case that's strong.
Bm contributed zero, it is really hard to analyse someone with zero posts.
Marvellosity been attacked d1 with a very weak case, I did not find anything suspicious there
layabout he was on my d1 list because I felt his opinion switches were a bit suspicious but d2 he's been posting some very good things, i think he's town
Sentinel wasn't too involved in the debates, the case against him is semi decent, but if we punish someone because he did not got involved it should be the one with the least contribution
Zephridd's defense is that he was afk too.
We have 3 players who did some afking Sent BM Zeph from the VE crowd, Sentinel and Zeph tried contributing so I would vote rather BM then those other 2. He's getting votes and called out why don't he post and he's still just lurking around. BM please get into the game and show us you are town, or else I feel you'll get lynched. Still BM. Ok, so your stance is we should lynch BM because ... he's been lurking? Do you have anything to say about the Zephirdd/Sentinel cases?
They lurk too, but less then BM. I'm fine with any of them lynched.
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Ottoxlol: A Posting History
Gonzaw plan - posts a lot about it, explains game rules on multiple occasion. Easy conversation for scum to jump on without really having any risk to put opinions on anyone. Votes VE AFTER JK claim, easy wagon for scum to jump on cause all you have to say is herp bad claim. Which is basically what ottoxlol did. Then guess what, he conveniently dissapears until VE's death and for the whole night.
Im under attack!! - posts alot, in his defense, OMGUS vots BJ, attempts to make some sort of case against people but can't. Takes the easy way out for lynching lurkers. Also wants to lynch into WIFOM "pairs" for information. Names so many people that is really impossible to see his best stance atm.
Basically its two hurricanes of posting at which seems to be convenient timing.... coincidence? Maybe. You decide.
Note - I would like to hear from more than the same old players today eventually lol. Especially the lurking players.
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On April 25 2012 01:51 Mementoss wrote:
Ottoxlol: A Posting History
Gonzaw plan - posts a lot about it, explains game rules on multiple occasion. Easy conversation for scum to jump on without really having any risk to put opinions on anyone. Votes VE AFTER JK claim, easy wagon for scum to jump on cause all you have to say is herp bad claim. Which is basically what ottoxlol did. Then guess what, he conveniently dissapears until VE's death and for the whole night.
Im under attack!! - posts alot, in his defense, OMGUS vots BJ, attempts to make some sort of case against people but can't. Takes the easy way out for lynching lurkers. Also wants to lynch into WIFOM "pairs" for information. Names so many people that is really impossible to see his best stance atm.
Basically its two hurricanes of posting at which seems to be convenient timing.... coincidence? Maybe. You decide.
Note - I would like to hear from more than the same old players today eventually lol. Especially the lurking players.
Only me again, sowie. The problem I have with Ottoxlol at the moment is I'm finding it extremely hard to distinguish whether Ottoxlol is scum or just newbie town.
There have been really long and detailed cases on Sentinel and Zephirdd, his only real comments being "they're quite lurky", basically disregarding much of the cases on them.
And he wants to lynch BM because he is the most lurky. Added to this, his only other thoughts are on connections and information which I dislike.
The problem I'm having is that I'm struggling to reconcile myself to the idea that he would be so obtuse to basically give us nothing again and again and again despite being pushed on it.
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Good case, I can understand your reasoning.
I just don't get it why am I under attack for not making any case or for lynching lurkers. MG had a case against johnnywup, BJ/Mememntoss against me and thats all. Lot of people suggested Sent/Zeph, marv posted about Brood and St. Daniel.
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EBWOP this was for Mementoss
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Zephs defense was that he was afk thats why he did not contribute to d1 that much and voted that late. Why is that not lurking?
Sentinel doesnt post.
marv, you had a couple of posts today pressuring lurkers, why do you call me out for that?
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@ottoxlol: You're under attack for not making any cases or trying to lynch lurkers because that's what scum do. Townies need to lynch scum, scum need to waste time. Not making cases and pushing to lynch lurkers is the best way for scum to do that. Newbies often do the same thing, which is the only reason I haven't tried to put you on the gallows quite yet. But, Mementoss is right: it's getting harder to give you a pass for being a noob.
I think I've got enough time to respond to your previous post now. I'll post that in a minute.
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but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG
So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me.
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On April 25 2012 02:20 Ottoxlol wrote:
but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG
So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me.
This is either a) you being really confused
b) you trying to spam and bury quality posts and confuse everyone else
c) newbing it up
I am honestly not sure. I'm confident in the evidence put against you, but I'm done with it for now. Looking at other cases is important to decide the scummiest option.
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Mementoss now I feel confused. What part did you not understand?
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I think BJ nailed it when he posted this:
On April 24 2012 18:40 BlazingJitsu wrote:[...] Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 15:52 Ottoxlol wrote:
I havent finished reading everything, but so far I had an idea
I thought I will write down the VE voters relationships maybe we can figure something out.
Sentinel attacked BM
Ottox did not attack anyone from this grp
marv attacked Zeph
BM defending Zeph and marv
laya attacking marv, defending zeph
Zeph attacking BM, and marv
I think this will not make a strong read, but I try
If Sentinel is scummy, we should investigate Zeph and vice versa
If laya is scummy we should investigate Zeph and vice versa
If marv is scummy we should investigate BM and vice versa
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So my read is there are 0 or 2 scums in the VE voter group, maybe we can use this later
This says absolutely nothing. This is Ottoxlol trying to push people who were on the VE wagon with some unhelpful WIFOM. Paying close attention to this post, you'll realize he doesn't actually push anyone as scum. This is unhelpful shitty dick play. This is scum play that he set up D1. This is Ottoxlol trying to pool the proverbial wool over the town's eyes by trying to appear helpful. [...]
You're recapping what happened the previous day in an effort to post something of content. It's not. We're playing the game, we know what happened, we don't need you to tell us this. Instead, we need you to post stuff that we don't already know, like who you think is scum and why.
Your response to this:
I wrote that I don't have a good read that's why i did not push. I started to look into the names that came up and I felt none of them was convincing so I made a post that maybe can help others. How is that anti-town?
It's useless. Lists of what happened are useless. Being useless is anti-town. That's why it's anti-town. We need you scumhunting, and that's not what you're doing.
It's very easy to understand how a new player would make this mistake, and again, that's why I haven't pushed you onto the gallows yet. But, as we're continuing to play, it's obvious that you're still not contributing, and it's getting harder for me to distinguish between newbie town and newbie scum. I'm pretty sure someone wrote a guide on this exact thing somewhere, and I fully intend to bring it up when I get a chance.
On April 25 2012 02:20 Ottoxlol wrote:
but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG
So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me.
Not everyone has pushed no reads. We're not talking about just today, we're talking about the course of the entire game. You really haven't pushed anything the whole game (Asserted WithOut Proof - AWOP). So, no. I don't think they are all scum. Just the ones who post nothing while trying to look useful.
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On April 25 2012 02:20 Ottoxlol wrote:
but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG
So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me.
Go back to day 1, see all the cases that were made. Go to the end of night 1 see all the cases that were made. What do you mean no cases were made? In addition there were many pressure plays/posts that were important for the subject at hand. You mean there were no cases made in day 2? Cases made before and by dead players are still more than relevant....
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Ive already explained my first post, for the last time just for you. I wrote it's a long shot, but i felt like it can help others if they suspect someone from the VE wagon they could just look it up and investigate.
Again with this not posting anything bs. I pushed gonzaw's massvigclaim plan. I pushed VE lynch. I proposed a plan for the next two lynches.
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If we talk about d1 too I made 2 cases against VE, one before his claim, one after.
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@Ottoxlol: Stop insisting that you did stuff and start doing stuff. I'm going to push for a Sentinel lynch today. I think he's rolled scum goon, and I want him out of the game. If how you're acting doesn't change after tomorrow night, I'm going to try and lynch you.
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On April 25 2012 02:33 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:20 Ottoxlol wrote:
but ghost, no one made any case but Mementoss and MG
So everyone else is scum? Or we don't have any reads because no one is suspicious enough? Thats why everyone thinking on lynching lurkers or me. Not everyone has pushed no reads. We're not talking about just today, we're talking about the course of the entire game. You really haven't pushed anything the whole game (Asserted WithOut Proof - AWOP). So, no. I don't think they are all scum. Just the ones who post nothing while trying to look useful.
You attack me because you say i didn't do stuff. In reply I say what I did. Your response: you don't care if I did. Ok.
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ghost you feel like your coaching ottox more then pressuring him. am i wrong in feeling this way?
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At work so I don't have much time.
Ottoxlol, my question to you is this: You say you want to lynch to gain information. Ok, fine. That's not a good mindset, but I'll accept that you think it's a good idea for a minute. What I don't understand is why that makes BM the best lynch. He himself hasn't given any firm stances, and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been anyone who hasn't at least questioned him for lurking, and NO ONE has defended him. So exactly what information will we gain from lynching him that makes it the best choice? Working from the mindset that lynching for information is a good idea, it would make more sense to me to lynch a more controversial target.
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On April 25 2012 02:15 Ottoxlol wrote:
Zephs defense was that he was afk thats why he did not contribute to d1 that much and voted that late. Why is that not lurking?
Sentinel doesnt post.
marv, you had a couple of posts today pressuring lurkers, why do you call me out for that?
? I really don't understand. Yes I've asked Brood to post and pointed out St. Daniel's iffyness, and I've asked MG for a response which I haven't yet had answered.
But I also made a case on Zephirdd, which you seem to think is just calling him out on lurking. Which you're soft-defending him on (like layabout, oddly) due to afk/indecisiveness Day 1, when the thrust of my case was his posting since, and the gist of the case was not lurking.
I don't get how you can't see the difference.
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