Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.

Blazinghand

United States25553 Posts

November 14 2012 21:19 GMT

#1006

On November 15 2012 06:19 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hopeless why are you not out there giving us your strongest reads and making cases?
Even if you can't prevent the lynch, if you flip town we can read your filter and know it is all genuine.

this man speaks with clarity

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

November 14 2012 21:20 GMT

#1007

alright, just tell me when you are home so I can talk to you. I don't want to talk to phone you, I need your attention and ability to post fully.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 14 2012 21:25 GMT

#1008

Is TL having issues atm? Refreshing is taking forever.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

November 14 2012 21:26 GMT

#1009

I just got back. I'm doing that now.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

November 14 2012 21:27 GMT

#1010

In response to Z-Bo's case on me:

- No comment on BH should still hold merit as an attack against debears, especially if used as a contributing factor to my own scumminess.

Meta read - Earlier you said my meta this game was comparable to LVII. You've 180'd that read. I have no conclusion here, I'm just pointing it out.

Other points from meta: Me referring back to previous cases. I had an actual case to refer back to, and I was also much more convinced by that case. This game, we have me being inactive, Cross being modkillable the first 24 hours or so, thrawn afk, DP afk, BH trolling. Lots of things that just sucked bag. In LVII, we have Matt claim scum super early and the ensuing discussions were getting excessively redundant until Palmar came in and confirmed Matt was fakeclaiming. Before that, I was trying to focus the thread a little. This game is no where near as out of control as that situation was and also (IRL bullshit that no one cares about)

Since BH has claimed, I find debears to be incredibly scummy, and Marv made a point of articulating already. I felt he was scummy before from the way he attacked me for lecturing and it being anti-town. I also felt his meta/smurf's are unreadable comments were contradictory and he was twisting words to make a case on me based on very little information. However, I was explicitly told to drop my suspicions because they were a) poorly thought out and b) distracting debears from helping town.

He hasn't helped town. Hapa's case on debears is spot on (in my heavily biased opinion) and I don't want to lynch anyone else right now.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

November 14 2012 21:29 GMT

#1011

I'm here and been following the thread. All the cases against hopeless have been pretty solid and convincing so far and he has yet to give a good response, added to the fact that I already had an anti-town read on him before I think he is a good D1 lynch candidate. Hapa I feel has given several good and well reasoned posts recently spelling out his views on everyone, and just generally being pro-town. That being said,

##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

November 14 2012 21:30 GMT

#1012

Kickstart, what are your feelings on debears?

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 14 2012 21:31 GMT

#1013

Hopeless, other than debears, what are your thoughts on others? Even if you have null reads, please share them, explain them.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

November 14 2012 21:31 GMT

#1014

List post, coming up.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

November 14 2012 21:41 GMT

#1015

On November 15 2012 06:29 Kickstart wrote:
I'm here and been following the thread. All the cases against hopeless have been pretty solid and convincing so far and he has yet to give a good response, added to the fact that I already had an anti-town read on him before I think he is a good D1 lynch candidate. Hapa I feel has given several good and well reasoned posts recently spelling out his views on everyone, and just generally being pro-town. That being said,

##unvote
##vote: Hopeless1der

Please explain in your own words and without referring to other people's posts why you had an anti-town read on him, and explain why you didn't share this read.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

November 14 2012 21:45 GMT

#1016

On November 15 2012 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Kickstart, what are your feelings on debears?

I don't have a scum read on debears like some others seem to have, so I don't feel comfortable casting a vote his way. Hapas case against him is unconvincing to me and debears' defence of his posts is how I felt about them to begin with. I also don't think him not mentioning BHs claim is a read one way or the other. Looking through the thread I think debears has made good reads and been on the right side of several issues thus far especially the snb wagon early on.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

November 14 2012 21:50 GMT

#1017

On November 15 2012 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote:

Show nested quote +

Please explain in your own words and without referring to other people's posts why you had an anti-town read on him, and explain why you didn't share this read.

I did share this read:

On November 14 2012 00:41 Kickstart wrote:
@debears

I have a slight scum read on Hapa at the moment, because of what I outlined in that post and the fact that in general I found his posting to be (trying to find the most polite way to phrase it :D) non-productive.

Hopeless hasn't really stood out to me too much. His posting has been under the radar and not sticking his neck out much, almost his entire filter is the discussion about if crossfire is a smurf or not. So overall I view him as slightly "anti-town" thus far. I would just like to hear more of his thoughts on something/someone not related to cross being a smurf or not.

ZB started the SnB bandwagon which I have already stated I am completely against, so I want to see if he sticks with it. In general his posts have been substantive - out of six posts one is a roleclaim, two he casts a vote on someone and gives some explanation, and then the others he is reacting to/reading people. I see no reason yet to question his miller claim, but again a lot of that could change depending on how he continues with the SnB vote.

With that I am going to go to sleep and won't be back on for awhile. I will try and catch up and post before heading to class but if not I have all night once I get back!

And I feel everything I said is still valid, thus I'm waiting to hear more from hopless.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

November 14 2012 21:51 GMT

#1018

I'm baaaaaaack

Why are there only 3 votes on debears?