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On September 23 2012 09:05 Atreides- wrote: So it looks like 3 town and 6 mafia still alive? Not including the possibility of SK I know that was most likely a typo, but it really does look like that. | ||
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On September 23 2012 09:06 Dandel Ion wrote: I know that was most likely a typo, but it really does look like that. LOL | ||
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have fun in the meantime. | ||
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thrawn is scum kush is scum mason claim is false no scum voted for drazak | ||
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me or thrawn? do you buy this theory that at least 1 scum voted for drazak? how sure are you the mason claim is true? | ||
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I'll literally eat my keyboard if he avoids the lynch this time around | ||
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Still, Dandel seems very suspicious. And remedy's demise doesn't help his case either. | ||
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What caused you to drop your suspicion of dandel/rethos? Because it came totally out of the blue. Your plan originally was to vote for dandel then change your vote to stutters if it became clear dandel wasn't getting lynched. Why did you abandon your plan for remedy? What do you think of my jacob case? You haven't said a single word about it. Here is a link. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=40#797 Note that at the end I meant to say this is NOT the jacob from last game. | ||
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The first accusation you make is that he's an active lurker (a weird phrase but I know what you mean) and that he doesn't take stances. So I'm gonna talk about some of his reads. Here's the first read he makes: (here) It comes in at a time when sonic and I were going at it pretty strongly and his opinion on the issue is, well I don't really know. He doesn't give it. He does sorta talk about the issue but does not come out and say if he thinks either sonic or I look more scummy, and in his next post he has this to say about the issue: "I am going to stay mostly away from the thrawn kush sonic debacle for the moment it’s not as clear as it should be." Jacob what was so unclear about it that caused you to not want to discuss it? Later in that same post he talks about the debears/thrawn issue and ends up saying this: "Both are plausible I will need more time to work out which is which" but he doesn't end up posting that read. Those are the two most dramatic issues of the start of the game but he doesn't want to talk about them or he needs more time to work them out but ends up not doing so. What I remember most from jacob's posting was the rethos stuff. So, rethos comes into the thread saying that he had a lurking plan. Jacob asks him this:"Wait you were lurking on purpose? That is your entire reason for lurking? "Hey guys don't lynch me I was lurking on purpose" Why would you do that? What do you gain from it? (apart from a social life) Please elaborate". He does question rethos but if there is any suspicion contained in those questions it is very faint. Then after rethos responds jacob makes this post and he never commits too strongly to believing or disbelieving rethos. It's a bunch of sentences and each contain very slight reads that are in contradiction with the read of the other sentences. He finally commits to a scum read on rethos in this post: On September 21 2012 18:47 JacobStrangelove wrote: I don't see comfirmation bias in that, in the space of about 4 posts he has lied several times. One he lies about being bored. Two he lies about his defense not being based on intentinal lurking and he admits to lying about having the plan in this first place. Scum have plenty of reason to lie, town don't. Just say he was town.. he wouldn't see himself as more a target than anyone else who is lurking. I think guilt gave him away. Also if he is town and lies.... then he is playing the game very wrong... He points out that rethos lied several times. This was something that I pointed out first, and something that jacob did not even seem to think was happening before I posted about it. And at the end of the post there's the "if's he's town" part where he could be leaving himself an out. Here are some posts that are representative of what I'm talking about when I say his posts don't contain reads: On September 19 2012 13:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh cool stutters is here *waits* Funny how you show up right after I make a statement about you but it could be coincidence. So.... did what stutters did make him suspicious or not? Another similar post: On September 19 2012 14:03 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah it looks really bad, that said assuming you are mafia you would probably do everything you could to get a post out to avoid this... (as in last night although you would probably also do a post like this anyway) Once again I by the time I finish reading the post I have no idea what his final read was. Go read his filter and a lot of it's similar to the two above quotes. After reading a jacob post you are left with a often weak and sometimes dizzying notion of what jacob's actual read is. When he gives reads a lot of times he'll throw in one of these: (but here's something that could make my read the opposite of what it is) Another one of your points about him is that it's not the same jacob from last game. I went through his filter from that game and he does ramble on a lot but he does no where near the amount of providing himself outs for his reads. So yeah I'd say jacob looks scummy. Now onto your other questions specifically addressed to me: On September 23 2012 11:55 kushm4sta wrote: What caused you to drop your suspicion of dandel/rethos? Because it came totally out of the blue. I did not drop my suspicion. My decision to not lynch dandel was given here: + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:09 thrawn2112 wrote: For the people who think dandel's posting is scummy, consider this: A lot of the stuff he has said looks scummy, but it only looks scummy if you already think rethos is scum. He's being accused of trying to deflect attention onto remedy, but lets look at the motivations behind that. Yes, he could do it if he is scum, but would he be so obvious about it? Also if he was trying to deflect onto remedy then wouldn't the other mafia try to pitch in and help deflect? Now if he is town, then of course he will be super aggressive about trying to get other people to comment on his reads. That's pretty much a townie's primary objective if they think that they are gonna be mislynched. If they know they will die then the most helpful thing they could possibly to is to try and get people discussion their reads so that when they flip green then town will have a lot to look at. Like I said I've thought dandel's posting was scummy but that scum read is only based off of me thinking that rethos was scum. And one thing I haven't considered about rethos is that if he was lying about being bored he could still be town. Also it is somewhat accepted that you are supposed to give replacements a decent amount of time to play before you lynch them. So for all of those reasons I don't like the idea of lynching dandel today. I think more time is needed to get a read on him. Therefore, ##Unvote So now I want to lynch either remedy or stutters. I think both are very good options. I've talked a lot about remedy but basically nobody outside of the people who share reads on everything have shared their reads on him. Rethos was still my primary scum read. (rethos...not dandel, very important) I had thought that dandel had said some suspicious stuff and I was still prepared to lynch him, but then I realized that how dandel was acting could also likely be how a town player would act and that I might have been influenced by confirmation bias by already thinking rethos is scum. When players get replaced you almost always want to allow some time to make a read on them because the person they replaced might have been just an awful player. So for those two reasons (the confirmation bias possibility, and giving replacements time to make reads and vote) I decided to hold off on lynching him. I did not change my read on rethos... I was deciding to hold off on dandel because of policy. On September 23 2012 11:55 kushm4sta wrote:Your plan originally was to vote for dandel then change your vote to stutters if it became clear dandel wasn't getting lynched. Why did you abandon your plan for remedy? I'm assuming you mean abandon my plan for stutters? My position was always that remedy was my #2 read behind rethos, at lowest it was tied with stutters for #2. When you began pressuring me to vote stutters, your argument was that the remedy lynch had happened too easily. Then you were pretty aggressive about trying to get stutters lynched. So for the same reason you said you didn't like the remedy lynch, I was distrustful about your aggressiveness concerning stutters. Now that they've both flipped green it actually makes you look town because there'd be no reason to try so hard to get town to switch their votes from one mislynch onto another. | ||
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JacobStrangelove
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I am going to start with my largest scum read kush, I am going to go though his entire filter start to end listing everything I find scummy all... 9... pages... First he seems to have an attitude problem from the start. Because this will be a long post (will probably split up the post for different people) I will spoiler most of the posts. [spoiler On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: ][/spoiler]I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. He comes into the game annoyed, now normally kush gets annoyed he OMGUS’s people and he rages. But not right off the bat. He seems to be nicer... This part is only a feel read but remember kush and I got to know each other very well last game and we created almost a love story atmosphere. That has not happened this game. We don’t have two towns trying to win the game here we have something entirely different. Also another thing he proposes an introduction that isn’t entirely needed. And does the sorry cubu and I hate cubu in the next post thing. This is back to my meta feel read but I think he is trying too hard to act like himself. + Show Spoiler + And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about. Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Gives a reason for him omgusing people, this allows him to flame people without logic (something a scum would need later into the game) if he was really trying to improve his game why would he go with omgus flame and not logic? (notice his case on me only came up after I pointed out him as being a high scum read) + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 12:08 kushm4sta wrote: remedy getting a good scum read d1 is impossible. It's the easiest thing ever for scum to look like town day 1. Unless we have no lurkers, we should lynch the biggest lurker or the scumiest semilurker but please not someone active. Minor thing but he keeps on about the lurkers while stating he is going to be insanely active (although he has been soo...) Also he goes on about the night kill thing. Is he really that bothered? Does he really think he is a good enough player for that? Considering thrawn is in the thread and he has no reason at this point to suspect him could he be trying to convince people that he is scum by pretending to be worried? (notice when I ask questions like this my own answer is often yes{and he is my biggest scum read as I will continue to go on about}) Could he know that thrawn is mafia so that is why he is “worried”. (at this point haven’t looked into thrawn so this is speculation) This is what I found in page one. Page two. (and one post from day one) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_M<+ Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: posting on the phone. marv made it seem like in pregame chatter that roles aren't random. so that gives me an innate doubt that sonic would roll mafia again. however I put it in spoilers because I don't believe a case should ever be based on that <_< he could be confused at this point but with all the other circumstantial evidence and solid evidences I am bringing up this doesn’t help matters. Also he was right... this far into day one See his day one post + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: @Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town. Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb: + Show Spoiler + He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. He has seen one game of sonic, and he says even with sonic being mafia and going on about lists last game that his list making this game is town meta... Looks like he had insider information to me. Back to page two. He FOS’s killing and defense debears then in the next post he FOS’s debears. Then he makes a stupid argument with a scum team day one. (although this is kush’s meta{the stupid part}) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 05:51 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn you say I made a straight up lie and that's not an accusation I take lightly. if anything it was an exaggeration and not a lie. I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing my scumteam theories, because while I think they help in looking for cases, they do not constitute a case. but I don't like being called a liar so here goes. drazak is connected by saying killing is more suspicious than debears. he says they can't both be mafia so therefore debears isn't mafia. That is the classic mafia defense..defending a teammate by attacking the attacker. and you have defended debears. So that was the basis for that comment. Is it a real case against you? no. Is it a lie though? also no. Now while he is right it may not be a lie but why exaggerate like this? To make someone look worse than they actually are. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 07:32 kushm4sta wrote: Actual lol at supersofts interruption. Wtf is sharrant talking about with this roleclaim? He thinks debears is mafia and wants him to roleclaim that he is mafia? Huh? @sharrant Can you explain this statement? If you mean you want him to roleclaim as blue that is pretty scummy. BTW I'm not as convinced that you are scum as thrawn and sonic so don't get all pissy with me. Role claim comes out and he isn’t suspicious. (Notice this is the second time we have a confirmed town that he isn’t suspicious of right off the bat) Considering his play style is send around accusations like it is nothing he is suddenly a lot more passive. (ok this is a very slight read on this part but I am going though everything) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:02 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I think you are referring to when sharrant voted for debears right after saying he's not the most suspicious person. People are misunderstanding how some people use ##vote. They use it like ##fos basically and just change their vote a bunch of times throughout the day. I do not think there is anything inherently scummy in that. + Show Spoiler + Whaa? Biggest back flip in the world. He says sharront isn’t scummy because he votes for someone who isn’t his highest scum read. Now we know almost 100% know sharrent is town. But kush seems to know this way back. He probably though “sharrent is probably going to get lynched for being stupid so let’s defend him without reason or cause because I am stupid and mafia and don’t know how to hide the fact I know stuff” (ok maybe minus the second part but kush has succeeded in annoying me to say the least) He continues to go on debears for sheeping (which could be the case I will do a debears case later after my thrawn dandle cases) but when I do go though it I will look at the possibility of a bus or scum etc... Now on to page three... + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 11:46 kushm4sta wrote: Killingtime is missing. Seems pretty convenient that he goes missing as soon as the heat is off him. But for now there are more important matters to discuss since I doubt a banwagon on killing is happening. Says a bandwagon on killing won’t go down? It’s like halfway though day two of day one (confusing I know) but there is plenty of time to go at killing why ignore him? (possible scum partner in killing{I will list this in a separate note pad so I don;t forget the connections that could be possible(remember my Wifom case are insane when there is less people{still a lot of people though})) + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 12:13 kushm4sta wrote: I think he is very scummy and honestly the only reason I let up on him was because he accused debears who I thought was more scummy. This could be the moment he realised they both ganged up on the same person. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:11 kushm4sta wrote: @sharrant Here's what this line of reasoning looks like me. It looks like you are scum and your motivation here is to get someone to roleclaim. Then you back that up with a lurker vote. Except killing really isn't a lurker. And for some reason you ignore the huge lurker cubu. After saying sharrent was bad town as soon as the killing thing comes up he defends him. At this point I would say if kush flips town killing is a strong second lynch (although it is still a little early for the accosiation cases) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:47 kushm4sta wrote: @remedy Why would you vote for me at this point? I'm not a serious lynch candidate today. At this point your vote just unfocuses the town. You don't even say why you are voting for me. Your case against me was made a really long time ago. Also it is real weak. And you blast me for the weakness of my cases? You are actually one of the biggest lurkers at this point btw. Yeah he wasn’t a serious lynch canadate but seems like trying to get the focus off him (remedy flips town remember) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 00:59 kushm4sta wrote: @thrawn yes I do think buddying is scummier. why would scum play as strangely as sharrant? question I really want answered from sharrant: is this your first game of forum mafia? I asked him before but he didn't answer. Goes back to defending sharrent only attacking him when he goes after killing (Ok I NEED to look at killings filter again after this the only think I know is everyone kinda thinks he is scum but not enough for lynch{sound like a scum thing?}) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 01:12 kushm4sta wrote: Remedy postpone your suspicion of me until d2 please. Who of the possible lynches, including lurkers, do you want to lynch? Also guys if we are going to have an choice to lynch a lurker, which one shall it be? Cubu's filter is just enough to prevent modkill. Commanding someone to post pone suspicion... at this point (assuming the forum is right with my time{sometimes seems an hour off might need to check my settings}) there is about 9 whole hours of game time left... On two page four (and this is before there is even a flip) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 02:07 kushm4sta wrote: Right now we are trying to figure out who to lynch. That is what town needs to be talking about now, not random suspicions. Why do I want to lynch a lurker? Because sharrant doesn't seem scummy enough to be a better vote than a lurker. I would rather lynch a lurker d1 than have to waste a later vote on a lurker. I do not want there to be the presence of a town lurker for mafia to safely vote for again and again. Are we just going to let cubu lurk all game, posting 1 shitty thing a day, and pray that he's not scum? You may notice I am posting almost every second post in here he is literally that scummy. The only reason I didn’t see it before was one time and two I wanted a love story + Show Spoiler + (This is fluff from me) YOU NEVER LISTEN YOU ARE ALWAYS YOU DRINKING WITHT HE GUYS... Well guess what Kush! Guess WHAT! I am cheating on you with thrawn! (haven’t looked into thrawn yet but he at the moment doesn’t feel like scum) *cough* well anyway. Hit vote on cubu is fine though, (that said cubu confirmed town as well) but if he was defending sharrent this long it makes sense. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 05:34 kushm4sta wrote: OK so as I see it here are our options atm: Sharrant, cubu, killing. Killing is not that much of a lurker. He's not lurker enough to even be considered a lurker IMO. Killing is scummy looking to me, but he looked that way last game too. Again defends killing, now it is possible that he is defending a town he knows is town (like sharrent and others) but honestly this many times? + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:31 kushm4sta wrote: ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then ##vote drazzak I know this was brought up but if thrawns theory is correct and stutters dies and flips town than it must be kush or thrawn right? At the end of my evaluation I guess I will have to see if thrawn looks more mafia than kush (seems unlikely based on a feel read right now) + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. KILILNG DEFENSE OMG WHAT IS THIS EVEN? The likely hood of two sets of masons is VERY low... like.... I can’t believe everyone missed this! + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 09:43 kushm4sta wrote: im done for tonight goodbye. and a special fuck you to thrawn for accusing me for voting for drazak. @ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight. Again this is only a feed section of my reads but he looks like he is trying too hard to pick fights and be the “aggressive town” more so than usual. Onto page 5... (did I mention this was part of the reason I hoped kush was town? Reading this while is fascinating takes ages) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:29 kushm4sta wrote: Then I start reading killing's filter. I was very prepared to switch my vote. Killing did not seem that suspicious to me, but he sure seemed more suspicious than drazak. I was going to finish reading killing's filter, and then write why I think he is a better lynch. Except as I go to write about killing, I realize the deadline has already passed. Fuck me, I think to myself, and I post my incomplete post. Here it is: Now let me clarify something: killingtime is not my strongest scumread. I just thought he was probably a better option than drazak. TL;DR version, drazak flips town ohh no better semi bus killing and then say he isn’t the strongest scum read. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 02:39 kushm4sta wrote: In a few hours I will be back to read the thread closely and post my thoughts. But right now here's where i am. For now, debears is my top scumread. He was since yesterday and yeah nothing has changed. Need to read his newer posts though. Thrawn seems significantly off his meta. Anyone who has played with him before recognize this? He's angrier, more accusatory. And I think a lot of his reads are uncharacteristically bad. According to this thrawn is off his meta I am off my meta (he mentions his later) and I think kush is off his meta. Anyway he does this to thrawn and myself (note thrawns case will have updates about the others kush and dandle in it as I go though it but I am doing main cases first. With parts of others in there) It’s kinda easy to suggest someone is off there meta (I am doing it as well) but I am backing it up with a huge amount of evidence unlike kush who sends it out there with little to no back up (meta reads are kinda feel reads at times {for example until now I have been far more busy so that off sets it etc...) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: I just want to give everyone some advice because a lot of the reads I'm seeing are straight up ass. atreides saying mafia had a hand in drazzak lynch. there is no mafia motivation for saying that. just because someone says something stupid does not make them mafia. you have to look at peoples motivations. everything else is a feel read and those are pretty worthless. anyway that's what I learned from last game when all of my feel reads were wrong. kush out Yeah all your feel reads were wrong so why are you suddenly master at spotting town before they flip? (and I mean just before they flip see later when I talk about regent) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 05:04 kushm4sta wrote: I'm really tired of hearing about how I can't be read because I have a scummy meta. Nothing I have said is scummy! I've just been trying to be honest with my intentions and what I'm thinking. I will stand by any statement I make as genuine, even if it's not completely thought out. Yes I say what's on my mind stop saying that is scummy. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 3,725words so far (although a lot of that is quotes but it is taking me ages and I am only half way though your filter) “I have a scummy meta guys don’t lynch me” Not. That. Scummy. You seem scummy for about day one with your meta you don’t get worse and worse as you go along (product of lies) Ok at this point he posts a huge case on thrawn so I will get to that in my thrawn case (if I find him suspicious it elevates kush slightly (although after this I doubt anything will convince me) + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote: I think he's implying that he got roleblocked. And that is still funny, this is how kush should be as town when commenting on things he is free to comment on. Page six? + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:43 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't read drazak's filter until I saw the post from thrawn telling me to give my thoughts on killing and drazak. Yes I bandwagoned on him. Partly because I remembered him being a bigger lurker than he actually was. I had looked at killing's filter previously, and I thought it was not that scummy. You remembered him being a bigger lurker when before you were going on about thinking he was doing scum hunting? (also this is the point he flames me for simply making a case on me {good tactic I guess}) Also from about here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=200457¤tpage=6 ( I won’t bother linking everything as there are multiple posts but he is defending rethos/dandel) could be that dandel was another one of the scum{he hardly mentioned him at all}) + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: it doesn't even matter to me that sharky is lurking. him and sharrant are so town I think its ridiculous to even bring them up as a scum possibility. No of course not you don’t want a confirmed town running around making reads do you? Page 6 was smaller because I didn’t link every post about his defense of dandal will go into that in dandals post I guess. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 06:15 kushm4sta wrote: I want to wait until I'm at my pc so I can actually do a good job of reading filters and cross referencing with the thread for context. your case against remedy is just lack of scumhunting right? I think its true that he's all accusation and no argumentation. I want to look onto that more, then ask him to expand on his reasoning for some of.his accusations and see what he comes up with. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 07:52 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on thrawn's earlier case against remedy: 1 Remedy's useless vote parked on me d1. Bad town yes, scum no. I don't see the scum motivation behind it, especially since both our bandwagons were town. He still seems to know that regent is town and is bad town for voting for him. Well this is tiring... Ok he goes on stutters now (he is going to go on and off on stutters as I posted before (I will just find that post as it is simpler and takes up less room) like page 7 + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:38 JacobStrangelove wrote: Kushs filter ... Either trying to seem not attached either way or trying to spread confusion. Just say both sides of what you think. Then take the time to find out the best read... He mentions thrawn again will look into this in the thrawn case but I need a break after this one for a short while at least. Then he does the case on me which I think I covered a bit however I will go into more detail after I finish kush’s case dadels case and thrawns case. (probably sometime day 3 to be honest because this case alone has taken ages and I want to watch a movie or something tonight{it is my birthday remember...}) Most of this page and stuff is covered in the other post I included so I will go to page 8 (which is partly covered in that page as well) + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: I don't know where the fuck this remedy shit is coming from.. can someone summarize the arguments against him. like 1 sentence each. from what I remember the case boils down to he doesn't support his suspicions with arguments he voted for a non bandwagon d1 anything else? cause that's looking mighty weak His case wasn’t weak, I could see the ups and downs of each and everycase but he can’t? I would say again he seems to know who is town and isn’t and is trying to get town points for it. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 07:39 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch stutters because I think he's mafia. I want to lynch stutters because I think you are mafia thrawn. and fuck hapahuli if he thinks that's a scumtell. I.don't even care Mentions hapahuli, the town coach. On 9 I am kinda rushing these last few pages as I want to get this done sometime within the next year. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 08:05 kushm4sta wrote: 1 Jacob 2 thrawn them my reads. I have been hesitant because no one wants to.vote for.my reads Waiting for someone else to bandwagon. You claimed I was indecisive remember? But more on that when I get round to my defense. + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2012 10:09 kushm4sta wrote: My big questions to all town (so jacob you don't have to answer): me or thrawn? do you buy this theory that at least 1 scum voted for drazak? how sure are you the mason claim is true? ... You right now. Maybe you and thrawn only time will tell. (if I doubt run out of it) Oh finally. The filter is over. And if you seriously got here witout reading any of it Tl:dr kush is scum in my mind. Dandal case coming next followed by killing (due to things I found in this thread) and then thrawn case after that I will do my defense. This will probably be spread out over the night and day as I am going to go through everything and thrawns filter is as long as kushs. | ||
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