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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Erandorr, I appreciate you building a case(Jackal too), and I think both you and Jackal have some decent criticism of my Day 1 play. I've been doing a lot of asking questions, and not a lot of follow up.
That being said, I stand by every post I have made this game. My goal has been to get things moving and I think i've actually done a decent job at that, in addition to moving the thread down productive avenues.
Some points:
* I'm not a strong Day 1 scumhunter. In fact pretty much the only time I build big day 1 cases are when I'm mafia. Other than that I built a Day 1 case on Barundar in PYPI, and was wrong.
* As town I almost always have a lot of town reads, and only a few scum reads(generally do the opposite when scum)
* When I quote things, I routinely remove parts of the quote that are not directly related to the point I'm making.Read any past case I have built
* I have only ever been right on Day 1 once  (Jackal in Merc Mini 2)
The real question is: Do you agree with what I am doing right now? Consolidating a lynch on Hier, and trying to avoid a Palmar lynch?
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On December 06 2011 10:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 10:14 Mattchew wrote:
so taking out a veteran (palmar) is better than a no-lynch? Even if Palmar is town? I dont think so Palmar isn't town and even if he is it gives us a lot more information than a no lynch ever will and we won't have to deal with him trolling for another day and repeating this whole mess once more I'm town, you're terrible at mafia. By the way, I need to sleep it's 1am at my time. If I get lynched. Everyone on this wagon should take a good long hard look at their play, because there is a reason all the players who are commonly considered good have stayed the hell away from my lynch. I know my play hasn't been very productive in this game, I wanted to have a laid back/fun game after the massive pain in the ass that was XLVII. I wanted to play casually and troll around a bit, so I was happy when I got town with a fairly non-important role. That doesn't change the fact that that nothing about my play has been scummy. Anyone saying that is simply incorrect, a fact that will be proven by my lynch. I want that to sink in. If I do get lynched, you guys are taking active stance against some of the best players TL has to offer, and have the audacity to dare think you're right. You obviously aren't, but feel free to fail before you believe me. There is no excuse for voting me at this time. You will not be able to say "But Palmar was playing badly", because that doesn't make me scum. Bad != scum. And you will not be able to say that we had no better lynch, because a no-lynch is preferable to killing townies. Remember that, when/if I flip. This may be the most polarizing lynch I've ever seen in mafia, seperating good players from bad players. I am fully aware I made myself a target. Does that make me mafia? Hell no. There are only two reasons to be on my wagon when I flip. a) You're incredibly bad b) You're scum Good night.
Palmar this is not a good defense. OMGUS is horrible. Why not just stop after you said you wanted to have a casual trolly game. Why go on and on about everyone voting for you sucking...
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If anything, Hier's lynch is at least a lurker/inactive player lynch. He hasn't posted shit since the beginning of the day cycle. Should anything at all have happened to him, we are even doing him a favor lol
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Vote Count Updated
Some of you guys need to work on your spelling and formatting, because from Day 2 and on I'm not accepting incorrectly formatted votes.
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Why is everyone suddenly swapping over to a lynch on hier JUST to get a lynch in. What suddenly convinced you that oh hey, maybe Palmar isn't the guy to bandwagon, maybe we need to pile onto Hier, at least he's just a lurker and not defending himself. That's so stupid. When did we implement lynch all lurkers?
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All we have to go on for Hier is his case against syllo. That's it. All I got from his case was that he didn't agree with zodiac lists. Then he had some stupid shit about a tattoo
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ok anyway I'm off to bed now, it's already 2:30 am in germany... won't be able to change my votes now
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 06 2011 10:29 Risen wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly swapping over to a lynch on hier JUST to get a lynch in. What suddenly convinced you that oh hey, maybe Palmar isn't the guy to bandwagon, maybe we need to pile onto Hier, at least he's just a lurker and not defending himself. That's so stupid. When did we implement lynch all lurkers?
Lynching scummy lurkers is kinda always the back-up plan for Majority day 1 lynches. Hier's case was extremely forced, and he has contributed nothing since then. Ideally he would not be the lynch, but it's an OK lynch nonetheless. It's better than Lanaia at this point, and miles better than Palmar.
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Didn't we accept that
Lynch Scummy player > Lynch Lurking player > Lynching Active player
?
Somehow Palmar has a chance to flip town. And I don't find it to be actually a low chance, despite my earlier rage.
and I don't like Lanaia's case against her(mostly over the fact that her posts actually fits her town meta).
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 10:21 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:20 Jackal58 wrote:On December 06 2011 10:02 syllogism wrote:On December 06 2011 10:00 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote:On December 06 2011 09:50 Drazerk wrote:On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote:
I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town explain to me how he is scum. Yeah vaderseven went apeshit and shot off a townsperson but that wasn't exactly Palmars fault, just a consequence of his actions. He has been a troll and posted a lot of bullshit but is slowly coming around and not just defending himself as others have claimed. My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I will re-read the cases on heir and laniana and if I find something substantial I will vote those ways. Im sick of the palmar v7 argument, its just like the ace palmar of last game that leads to town looking like retards. people forget that scum can post here too and let some direct arguments and conversation the ways they want it to go. How wasn't that Palmar's fault? He claimed day vigi and put a timer to V7's head. He had no choice but to role claim then later prove his role claim or the entire town would of lynched him ( Myself included ) He is not slowly coming around he is doing his typical defence of shrugging off any attackers and calling everyone bad. This is not pro town this is destroying the atmosphere we had. Scum are currently directing us towards the no lynch ( Voting for anyone but Palmar ) which is a 100% benefit for them opposed to lynching palmar who is on their team. No, v7 had the opportunity to be open and comply with our request, which he eventually did. Role claiming was completely unnecessary, dumb and shooting like that without discussing it was awful. Scum slip? Me and palmar were asking him to post his notes. You know, in the thread. Do you even follow the game?
Yes I do. Your posts during that exchange:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12601974
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603098
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603194
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12603204
You didn't make much of a request to comply with. You asked if he was going to post his notes. That's why the "our" stood out to me.
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I am now going to lurk for the rest of this game.
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On December 06 2011 10:33 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 10:29 Risen wrote:
Why is everyone suddenly swapping over to a lynch on hier JUST to get a lynch in. What suddenly convinced you that oh hey, maybe Palmar isn't the guy to bandwagon, maybe we need to pile onto Hier, at least he's just a lurker and not defending himself. That's so stupid. When did we implement lynch all lurkers? Lynching scummy lurkers is kinda always the back-up plan for Majority day 1 lynches. Hier's case was extremely forced, and he has contributed nothing since then. Ideally he would not be the lynch, but it's an OK lynch nonetheless. It's better than Lanaia at this point, and miles better than Palmar.
So I'm supposed to vote hier because we need a lynch even though I don't think he's scum? Makes sense to me. What do we gain when he flips town? How positive are you that he's scum? There's no case and all I have on him is a null read. I guess if he didn't want to be lynched he'd have defended himself, but the swap JUST came. If he doesn't post the remainder of the time I'll consider swapping, since he's the only true "null" read I have.
What kind of scum sees all this going on and just keeps lurking?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
We need three more votes.
Assuming the votes on Palmar are locked in, we need 3 of the following players to switch to Hier:
Risen
prplhz
Mattchew
Jackal58
hyshes
supersoft
and someone who hasn't voted, not sure who, but I only count 23 votes on the list(24 with anon)
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On December 06 2011 10:35 Zephirdd wrote:
Didn't we accept that
Lynch Scummy player > Lynch Lurking player > Lynching Active player
?
Somehow Palmar has a chance to flip town. And I don't find it to be actually a low chance, despite my earlier rage.
and I don't like Lanaia's case against her(mostly over the fact that her posts actually fits her town meta).
I was lurking almost all today because I was busy as shit. We're not lynching based on logic, we're lynching just to lynch. That's what has me feeling like this is stupid.
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On December 06 2011 07:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 07:08 Lanaia wrote:On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote:
What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there. I was writing before you posted, hun. I didn't realize I'd have time to post quickly before class. Yeah, but your last post is from 2 hours ago. Which means you were reading the thread, but not posting until radfield posted a case on you.
I was away for two hours because I was driving to school, which is in a separate town. It normally only takes an hour and a half but there was construction on the road today. Sorry, but I don't stay at school on the weekends considering I have a job in this town and school is in another.
On December 06 2011 09:12 syllogism wrote:
I am willing to switch to lanaia and definitely will if it looks like she has a better chance of being lynched
I don't like this post because it feels almost like it could become an opportunistic vote. I mean, it's not the end of the world if I'm lynched. It's d1, we have 24 people left, 6 scum. That leaves 18 town, and I'm sure the game won't be unwinnable for us.
On December 06 2011 09:51 Mattchew wrote:
Can someone please link me to the case against hier... I have been keeping up and its nowhere to be found.... the case against lanaina is the strongest BS we have?
"the strongest BS we have" Could you explain that phrase please?
Also...
I'm moving my vote off Palmar and onto Hier because how Palmar is acting RIGHT NOW reminds me of when we lynched him last game and he was town last game so I'm not going to vote him. Yeah, sure, I look fucking scummy, but I promise I will do better tonight/tomorrow. I know, this is yet another change, but... it's better this way.
But whoever said girls contradict themselves all the time is pretty correct. I've seen it with other women I play with.
Almost had a heart attack because I almost lost this post. Can anyone recommend a way to eliminate the possibility of losing your post?
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On December 06 2011 10:38 Radfield wrote:
We need three more votes.
Assuming the votes on Palmar are locked in, we need 3 of the following players to switch to Hier:
Risen
prplhz
Mattchew
Jackal58
hyshes
supersoft
and someone who hasn't voted, not sure who, but I only count 23 votes on the list(24 with anon)
We should have 25 votes total tonight, because there were 25 to start and Soap got killed. Palmar has two votes, so that just leaves us at 25 still.
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i agree that how he is acting right now is similar to how he was acting last game before being lynched but that is almost certainly intention and i treat it as more scummy than anything else.
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On December 06 2011 10:40 redFF wrote:
i agree that how he is acting right now is similar to how he was acting last game before being lynched but that is almost certainly intention and i treat it as more scummy than anything else.
Then what's the point of meta at all? Oh he's acting how he did that one time, he must be town. He's acting like he did that one time, makes him more scummy imo. Seems like using meta at all is just WIFOM b/c the person in question has to know he's being looked at. So that means we should just build a case against him based on what he's done in this thread.
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I'm voting Hier if Lanaia isn't getting lynched and Palmar is in danger, but she's a better lynch. I feel the same way about Hier as sandroba does, it's bothersome trying to defend a guy who doesn't give a shit himself. I get a slight townie feel about him even though I agree that his case is terrible and looks a bit forced, but townies who want to contribute but have a hard time will force themselves to do silly analysis too. His analysis in XLVII was also on prominent townies (Palmar/wherebugsgo/BloodyC0bbler) and that fits this pattern. But he is more likely to be scum than Palmar right now, and he is certainly not going to be as useful for town when he doesn't post anything.
@Radfield Why did you change your mind on the Lanaia lynch? She didn't post a single thing and neither did Hier, but for some reason you suddenly decided that Hier was better lynch than Lanaia.
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Enough with the SPAM. Stop posting one liners or there will be
Posts like these:
On December 06 2011 09:44 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:23 supersoft wrote:
if she's a real girl, thats not a scumtell. Sorry folks. Girls contradict themselves all the time.
bahahahahah
On December 06 2011 10:12 Toadesstern wrote:
ninja'ed
as well as the other one liners are unacceptable. Please consolidate your posting and keep this thread readable. Thanks!
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