EPTRight now, I'd probably be willing to get behind lynches on either VE, Dropula, or (if he doesn't explain his somewhat insane last post in the thread) Eran.
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Right now, I'd probably be willing to get behind lynches on either VE, Dropula, or (if he doesn't explain his somewhat insane last post in the thread) Eran. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On August 07 2012 18:43 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, my n1 scum read turned up to be probebly town so I had to reread a bit first. My top scum read is VE. Unless I'm misstaken he is considered vet or at least semi-vet, no? Yet I feel like all his attempts to hunt scum is aiming to hit weak plays rather than scum plays. He is chasing Erandorr for picking on WBG with poor logic. He went after Talis for the way he he is '''role fishing''(even tho OP says every character can be any algnment) yet ignoring all the other things he had posted at that point. He also went after Zeph when the shit storm around him was at it's peak. Note that he is always picking the ones who is under most pressure, while this is not necessarily is a scum trait, it's something to consider. I don't know anything about his meta TBH, but unless he is always aiming to kill weak players under heavy pressure(Lol...), I'd say this is a very scummy behavior. ##Vote: VE Yes, any character can be any alignment, but I think it is safe to assume that most characters are matched with the role that is similar to their personalities. (Think of it as a kind of DT check: just like a DT check isn't certain because of millers and godfathers, you can't be certain of what somebody's alignment is from their character, because of what is stated in the OP, but it makes to more likely for the person to be that character's alignment.) Jingle, don't even think of trying to lynch CountDropula. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
In conjunction with my previous post about Talis, I am also not entirely convinced by his medic-roleblock-Sloosh story. Out of all the players Sloosh thought to be mafia, Talis took up by far the biggest space in his accusatory posts. The only reason Sloosh switched his vote is because prplhz was someone he originally suspected anyway; Talis was simply nowhere close to leading the vote tally. With all that considered, Talis calls out for protection on Sloosh, citing him a very perceptive and involved player, all while referencing the fact that Sloosh was out to get Talis. So why call protection on a player that has devoted a lot of his efforts to running after a townie? Even more so, why would the mafia double stack (according to Talis, who is convinced of this) on Sloosh, who has spent so much effort running after a townie? Even with all that considered, why would mafia roleblock Talis thinking he is a medic (according to Talis, again)? If he was a medic it would make far more sense to protect Sloosh and keep quiet about it; there was no reason mafia would roleblock him thinking he is a medic. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
@hier: just read my posts for why I called for protecting sloosh. He is a town leader. He gets votes together and keeps discussion on track. Regardless of who he is pushing this is a good reason to get rid of him. But if mafia was convinced that I was an easy lynch (which I kind of think they were given that I think one of them is VE) then removing sloosh helps their cause, precisely because someone like you could say what you just said (or synystyr, for that matter). | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Talis we're done in PMs - I've wasted enough time in PMs and now people think I'm scum for it. No longer. what do you think about Talis and what he posted in PMs? Who would you want to lynch if we were not to lynch into vets? | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:28 talismania wrote: But if mafia was convinced that I was an easy lynch (which I kind of think they were given that I think one of them is VE) then removing sloosh helps their cause, precisely because someone like you could say what you just said (or synystyr, for that matter). You may have missed my point, I do not think you are mafia because Sloosh thought you were mafia. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Get ur votes off me and onto Erand. Failure to do so I will treat as a scumclaim. lolololol what a great defence bro | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
*shrug* With no town leader I'll either be mislynched or we'll no-lynch at this point. I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall while I read filters. I suggest if you're going to lynch me you start talking about someone else because I'm going to flip town. I'll give you some leads to follow up on when I flip. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Most damning of all, the whole rolefishing thing on Talis. It was really bizarre timing to ask, but if the host actually made roles and names line up (which doesn't seem to be the case), that would just be kind of dumb, making it the core of a case doesn't fly. And then certain things don't line up. On August 06 2012 03:16 VisceraEyes wrote: No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me. Townies don't need to "establish" their innocence, that just happens through proper behavior. Along with everything else, you've pretty much topped my reads for the day. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On August 08 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote: I've got to say, right now VE is pretty much the number one scumread. Most damning of all, the whole rolefishing thing on Talis. It was really bizarre timing to ask, but if the host actually made roles and names line up (which doesn't seem to be the case), that would just be kind of dumb, making it the core of a case doesn't fly. And then certain things don't line up. Townies don't need to "establish" their innocence, that just happens through proper behavior. Along with everything else, you've pretty much topped my reads for the day. You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Vote for Errand Jingle, he's scum and I intend to prove it. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 08 2012 02:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes. You know what? I'm about fucking sick of this stupid shit. If I had the gall to mention in the thread that I've just finished my newbie games, I bet you people would rip me to shreds over trying to use it as a crutch, but any time someone doesn't like something I say or do, they bring it up. Fuck off. If you want to defend the guy who's been kinda crazy for a while now, that's your call, but don't tell me where to vote. If someone claims scum every single game, even when they're not, does that mean they're never scum? No. It just means they have useful meta for when they play as scum. Anyways, I have my reasons for my vote. I could reiterate what a dozen other people have said, or I could just reference some of the bigger stuff. Seems easier. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
WBG says: He thinks VE is green He thinks Eran is green He thinks Toad is a null. Given how he never mentioned me once in the game and how he suddenly said he thinks Prplhz is mafia I'd actually lean on him judging me as Toad but that's just a guess. He thought Prplhz was 95% red, in a very opportunistic way, without even mentioning him once in the thread. VE says: He thinks WBG is green He thinks Eran is red. He thinks Toad is a null. He thought Prplhz was red. Eran says: He thinks WBG is red He thinks VE is weird, but maybe slightly leaning town? (not sure on that one) He thinks Toad is green. He thought Prplhz is red. Both Eran and VE look way better given their reads. They are actively searching for people and suspecting people. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say or do, as mentioned VE has his weirds moment I considered to be suspicious, but they're trying to find "stuff". WBG on the other hand does nothing except for popping out 2 townreads on VE and Eran, something WBG usually doesn't like doing (talking about townreads) as far as I recall. Here's my little Mafia-101: Tell people about some townreads you've got. They're easy to do, you'll be right and people will consider you to be awesome, because you're right. Also you can later on say "lookylooky, I was defending him and he flipped town. Why should I do that as mafia?". As long as you're fine talking about townreads, talk about townreads only mention mafiareads when you have to. I see that happening with WBG. WBG focuses on single posts done by new guys, pointing out why they're wrong or why they've got issues, which is all nice and dandy but as mentioned, newbs do mistakes, no matter of alignment so you really want to include a lot of data in your analysis when talking about newbs, so that you can make out what's the most likely scenario, rather than just talking about one post. Telling people Newb-X is mafia because of one post is pretty much impossible to do unless they screw up big time. If that would have happened, everyone else would have realized it as well. WBG never mentioned Prplhz once in the thread. I know eran did because we were masoned and eran considered prplhz to be scummy way before we were actually switching. WBG however gets in here, tells people prplhz is 95% sure mafia, without giving an explanation, without ever mentioning him and disappears afterwards. Got to admit, haven't read the log between VE and WBG yet, so maybe there's something in there. If that's the case the other points still hold true. Summary: I really don't like how wbg keeps being non commited. He never had a "real" scumread. Yes he said grush is mafia, but as mentioned that was a horrible 1-quote-case when talking about a new guy. Yes apparently thought Prplhz was mafia but he never said so or explained why. Everything he did so far is slinging mud at Eran (and the other way around, but Eran DID something else in this game) and giving away some random townreads which have nothing to do with what want to do early on in a game, because they're so incredible easy to do for mafia and if everyone started talking about townreads it would be incredible easy for mafia to blend in by just posting some random townreads while mixing in some of their buddies every now and than. Both VE and Eran have their issues, but all together they're both looking WAY more townish than WBG. They're not scared to be wrong and called people mafia d1 (VE vs eran+prplhz / Eran vs wbg+prplhz) while WBG is completly doding that part of the game for some reason. He's either scared to be wrong or he can't even find a single thing that might be considered scummy. Both things are incredible mafia traits. First thing because they KNOW they are wrong in the first play, while townies think they're right. Second thing because mafias KNOW their target is not mafia, so they naturally look at thigns with confirmation bias while townies look at things neutraly. If we have to lynch into vets I'm willing to lynch WBG as I don't think mafia has 2 vets in a 5 vet-game with mafia having 2 KP 4 games in a row now that we've got a ML on d1. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 00:48 MrZentor wrote: While this may be true, it may just as well be false. We cannot possibly know, and for all that's worth I will not lynch into someone based upon WIFOM. Because that's what it is to lynch someone based on their name.Yes, any character can be any alignment, but I think it is safe to assume that most characters are matched with the role that is similar to their personalities. (Think of it as a kind of DT check: just like a DT check isn't certain because of millers and godfathers, you can't be certain of what somebody's alignment is from their character, because of what is stated in the OP, but it makes to more likely for the person to be that character's alignment.) | ||
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