Mad Men Mafia - Page 49

On August 08 2012 02:26 Toadesstern wrote:
The big issue I've got right now is this, from my point of view:

WBG says:
He thinks VE is green
He thinks Eran is green
He thinks Toad is a null. Given how he never mentioned me once in the game and how he suddenly said he thinks Prplhz is mafia I'd actually lean on him judging me as Toad but that's just a guess.
He thought Prplhz was 95% red, in a very opportunistic way, without even mentioning him once in the thread.

VE says:
He thinks WBG is green
He thinks Eran is red.
He thinks Toad is a null.
He thought Prplhz was red.

Eran says:
He thinks WBG is red
He thinks VE is weird, but maybe slightly leaning town? (not sure on that one)
He thinks Toad is green.
He thought Prplhz is red.

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Both Eran and VE look way better given their reads. They are actively searching for people and suspecting people. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say or do, as mentioned VE has his weird moments I considered to be suspicious, but they're trying to find "stuff".

WBG on the other hand does nothing except for popping out 2 townreads on VE and Eran, something WBG usually doesn't like doing i I recall correctly.
Here's my little Mafia-101: Tell people about some townreads you've got. They're easy to do, you'll be right and people will consider you to be awesome, because you're right. Also you can later on say "lookylooky, I was defending him and he flipped town. Why should I do that as mafia?". As long as you're fine talking about townreads, talk about townreads only mention mafiareads when you have to.
I see that happening with WBG.

WBG focuses on single posts done by new guys, pointing out why they're wrong or why they've got issues, which is all nice and dandy but as mentioned, newbs do mistakes, no matter of alignment. You really want to include a lot of data in your analysis when talking about newbs, so that you can make out what's the most likely scenario, rather than just talking about one post. Telling people Newb-X is mafia because of one post is pretty much impossible to do unless they screw up big time. If that would had happened, everyone else would have realized it as well. [Annotation: I suck at making if-sentences in english, so no idea if that is proper english... why can't it just be like in german "if X would be X, then Y would be Y" all the way...]

WBG never mentioned Prplhz once in the thread until he had to, to avoid the lynch. I know eran did because we were masoned and eran considered prplhz to be scummy way before we were actually switching and he openly attacked prplhz in the thread as well. WBG however gets in here once he realizes that he's going to be lynched, checks out who else is a target, realizes VE, eran and mysel were all talking about prplhz, tells people prplhz is 95% sure mafia, without giving an explanation, without ever mentioning him and disappears afterwards.
Got to admit, haven't read the log between VE and WBG yet, so maybe there's something in there. If that's the case the other points still hold true.

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Summary:
I really don't like how wbg keeps being non commited. He never had a "real" scumread. Yes he said grush is mafia, but as mentioned that was a horrible 1-quote-case when talking about a new guy. Yes apparently thought Prplhz was mafia but he never said so or explained why.
Everything he did so far is slinging mud at Eran (and the other way around, but Eran DID something else in this game) and giving away some random townreads which have nothing to do with what want to do early on in a game. Townreads are so incredible easy to do for mafia and if everyone started talking about townreads it would be incredible easy for mafia to blend in by just posting some random townreads while mixing in some of their buddies every now and than.

Both VE and Eran have their issues, but all together they're both looking WAY more townish than WBG. They're not scared to be wrong and called people mafia d1 (VE vs eran+prplhz / Eran vs wbg+prplhz) while WBG is completly doding that part of the game for some reason.
He's either scared to be wrong or he can't even find a single thing that might be considered scummy. Both things are incredible mafia traits. First thing because they KNOW they are wrong in the first play, while townies think they're right. Second thing because mafias KNOW their target is not mafia, so they naturally look at thigns with confirmation bias while townies look at things neutraly.

If we have to lynch into vets I'm willing to lynch WBG as I don't think mafia has 2 vets in a 5 vet-game with mafia having 2 KP 4 nights in a row now that we've got a ML on d1.

On August 08 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad can you be convinced to vote for Erandorr? I think that's the only way I live this day.

I intend to make a case on the guy, but your post reads like at least you don't need much convincing.

On August 08 2012 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Talis we're done in PMs - I've wasted enough time in PMs and now people think I'm scum for it. No longer.

On August 08 2012 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
TBH I'm not sure - at first I thought he was town, but as the PMs dragged on it felt more like an inquisition - like his mind was made up already and that he was just like...gathering ammo or something. He never shared HIS thoughts on the people he asked about, simply asked me about them and then freaked out in-thread when I was a little late with response.

I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town.

On August 08 2012 03:02 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I didn't really like it.

People have been telling him that VE needs to change his attitude as town in his most recent games a lot. I obviously haven't been in every game with him but those I saw people considered him to be a good policy lynch in he sticks with that attitude. So really, his meta being off is something I'd consider to be a towntrait.
If he were mafia he had all the reasoning there is to just to the same kind of stupid moves he did the last couple of games.

Saying you don't have an opinion is obviously an exaggeration but I would have said the exact same thing lol. You ARE asking questions nonstop and only rarely posting reads inbetween. No I don't count townreads as reads.

If he were mafia he could as well want the GF role instead of the mason. He's usually someone who surives very long as mafia.

The only thing that I consider to be true is that his bugs-mason was weird.

On August 08 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote:
Didn't I get chastised just recently for pointing out possible links before flips happened?

Ignoring that, you're talking about lynching someone just to see how they flip to try and establish a correlation that only has meaning under intense WIFOM.

On August 08 2012 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lolwat. Who are you talking to bro?

On August 08 2012 03:30 JingleHell wrote:


Read half a page and figure it out, "bro". Don't go trying to start shit with me because you're still pissed you couldn't get me modkilled for lynching scum when you wanted to ignore the confirmed DT's investigation as townie.

On August 08 2012 03:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
Are you always like this? o.O