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On August 08 2012 03:24 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Talis we're done in PMs - I've wasted enough time in PMs and now people think I'm scum for it. No longer. How is this a town attitude, toad? Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
TBH I'm not sure - at first I thought he was town, but as the PMs dragged on it felt more like an inquisition - like his mind was made up already and that he was just like...gathering ammo or something. He never shared HIS thoughts on the people he asked about, simply asked me about them and then freaked out in-thread when I was a little late with response.
I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town. He writes this, but do you see it in the logs? He asked me about erandorr, I responded. I asked him about zephirdd after he brought zephirdd's name up... and nothing. If he had asked what I thought about zeph I would have gladly answered. He only showed interest in picking my brain about erandorr. The "people" I asked about? I only asked about one, and he never answered. I asked a grand total of two questions of him in PMs as they "dragged on".
do you think he'd do a shitton of exaggerations like the one you just pointed out and when he said that you never pot reads or do you think it's more likely that he's pissed for some reason?
Maybe he thinks you're mafia and talking with you is pointless. Maybe he is pissed for some reason but I don't really see him doing that as mafia.
I'd say he's more careful than that as mafia.
Last time I lynched into VE was because I considered he was awfully NOT-weird and I didn't think he's able to controle himself like that when being town and therefore concluded he had to be mafia simply because I thought he was forced to controlling himself like that due to his alignment.
The lynch itself failed horribly but I'm still sticking with the reasoning the other way around so far. Of course I don't want to give him a free pass to do whatever he wants but he's VE and VE is ALWAYS weird.
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Btw, what happend with MrZentor?
The only post in his very short filter that isn't discussing blues or talking useless shit is a small attack on Glasse. I think this post in it self was good, but there was no follow up at all. I know he was replaced but it's been almost 3 days since that and still nothing usefull out of him. And he isn't really some sort of first time playing noob either.
##FoS: MrZentor
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He doesn't think I'm mafia as far as I know. If he does, he needs to talk to me. I think he's mafia that's why I wanted to be mason'd with him. I wanted to ask him as many questions as I could to maximize information if he does flip red, or convince me that I was wrong if he's town.
I don't really think he's mad, no. Do you?
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Could one of the mafias please do one of these "I want to help, so I'm making a votecountpost"-posts ?
Too lazy to check what the votecount is right now 8(
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On August 08 2012 02:26 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 00:48 MrZentor wrote:On August 07 2012 18:43 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 07 2012 18:02 s0Lstice wrote:
agree Lazer
who do you want to lynch today? Well, my n1 scum read turned up to be probebly town so I had to reread a bit first. My top scum read is VE. Unless I'm misstaken he is considered vet or at least semi-vet, no? Yet I feel like all his attempts to hunt scum is aiming to hit weak plays rather than scum plays. He is chasing Erandorr for picking on WBG with poor logic. He went after Talis for the way he he is '''role fishing''(even tho OP says every character can be any algnment) yet ignoring all the other things he had posted at that point. He also went after Zeph when the shit storm around him was at it's peak. Note that he is always picking the ones who is under most pressure, while this is not necessarily is a scum trait, it's something to consider. I don't know anything about his meta TBH, but unless he is always aiming to kill weak players under heavy pressure(Lol...), I'd say this is a very scummy behavior. ##Vote: VE Yes, any character can be any alignment, but I think it is safe to assume that most characters are matched with the role that is similar to their personalities. (Think of it as a kind of DT check: just like a DT check isn't certain because of millers and godfathers, you can't be certain of what somebody's alignment is from their character, because of what is stated in the OP, but it makes to more likely for the person to be that character's alignment.) While this may be true, it may just as well be false. We cannot possibly know, and for all that's worth I will not lynch into someone based upon WIFOM. Because that's what it is to lynch someone based on their name.
Obviously you wouldn't lynch somebody just because of their name(just like you wouldn't lynch somebody simply off a dt check), but it can be used as evidence in a case to show that it's likely that somebody is mafia.
Jingle, why do you carry so many grudges against so many people? It's really not fun to play with people like that.
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On August 08 2012 03:39 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 03:32 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 08 2012 03:30 JingleHell wrote:On August 08 2012 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 08 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote:
Didn't I get chastised just recently for pointing out possible links before flips happened?
Ignoring that, you're talking about lynching someone just to see how they flip to try and establish a correlation that only has meaning under intense WIFOM. Lolwat. Who are you talking to bro? Read half a page and figure it out, "bro". Don't go trying to start shit with me because you're still pissed you couldn't get me modkilled for lynching scum when you wanted to ignore the confirmed DT's investigation as townie. Are you always like this? o.O I think I've demonstrated quite effectively that I'm only like "this" when people are being stupid. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=51#1005There's you asking for me to be modkilled when I wouldn't change my vote off the guy the confirmed DT had as red. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=54#1062There's him flipping. So, who's unreasonable? You're just trying to start shit for no good reason. If you want to talk about that game, do it in Pm's. Right now all you do is shit up the thread. I have never, I repeat, never insulted you as a person. Only your play. You are the one who keeps calling me names and what not for no reason but that I disagree with you. But once again take this in Pm's or w/e as town doesn't benefit at all from us fighting for no reason.
I simply asked you who you were refering to as there wasn't a quote or anything. Yes, I could've probebly come up with the answer quite easily myself(Toad) but I was lazy. However, you just could've answered me just as well. But yet you respond with this. How is it helping us in any way?
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I am completely unsure what to think of VE. At times I have had town reads on him (given the fact that he was asking for reads and he was making sense, to his response to Erandorr) but then other times I've had scumreads, albeit for some reasons you could pin on me as well (for example, apathy to the activity level). Usually when activity is low you see VE scrambling for people to post but I don't see it much here. I also can't tell whether his logic is making sense because he's town or because he's trying to blend in.
I agree with his reasons for pressuring Erandorr. However Erandorr is special because as scum he's super lazy. At this point he's giving up unless I die so it may truly be that he is scum, but I find the much more likely explanation to be that Erandorr is town and just wrong. I don't think as scum he'd push the lynch so ridiculously hard especially if his reasons are all terrible. (and at this point he just seems too stubborn to admit it)
So, no idea really how to read VE: I've never been good at reading him. Erandorr I definitely think is town.
Toad is in the same boat as VE for me. I'm not good at reading him.
I still think Xsebt is scum based on the tone of his posts (and he disappeared after I voted him) but with no pressure my read on him hasn't developed.
Also based on my read throughs it's really strange how much snb buddies Erandorr. Also note how quickly the VE wagon built up: if he flips town then we should strongly consider examining the players who were on both wagons, and if he flips scum we should consider a bus possibility. (that is, if he ends up dying). I'd rather switch the vote to someone else, though, i'm not about to vote VE.
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Yeah dunno why I'm bothering to play right now if the response I get to that post is a fucking vote on me.
You can have fun with the 10 lurkers in this game who are likely to be shielding at least half the scum. Town is fucked.
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wbg why do you think xsebt says I lied about being roleblocked? As I pointed out earlier, I don't think he's the super clever type, and if he were scum he would have been able to give the correct scum argument for my being roleblocked.
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On August 08 2012 04:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yeah dunno why I'm bothering to play right now if the response I get to that post is a fucking vote on me.
You can have fun with the 10 lurkers in this game who are likely to be shielding at least half the scum. Town is fucked.
come on. Your post is basicly:
"I have no idea what's going on.
I had a read on VE early on but I'm back to a null.
Oh and Eran is town.
Oh and Toad is a null.
Xsebit might still be mafia due to the tone of his posts but he hasn't posted ever since, so I'm not sure on that one anymore.
I want to switch the vote but I have no idea who to vote"
Is it possible to be less committed to anything than having that post of yours?
It's like you're already preparing your big "TOLD YA" if Eran or VE are going to flip, no matter what they flip lol.
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On August 08 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yeah dunno why I'm bothering to play right now if the response I get to that post is a fucking vote on me.
You can have fun with the 10 lurkers in this game who are likely to be shielding at least half the scum. Town is fucked. come on. Your post is basicly: "I have no idea what's going on. I had a read on VE early on but I'm back to a null. Oh and Eran is town. Oh and Toad is a null. Xsebit might still be mafia due to the tone of his posts but he hasn't posted ever since, so I'm not sure on that one anymore. I want to switch the vote but I have no idea who to vote" Is it possible to be less committed to anything than having that post of yours? It's like you're already preparing your big "TOLD YA" if Eran or VE are going to flip, no matter what they flip lol.
Just to get this clear: If you somehow end up being town, do something.
Make a REAL case on someone or at least explain a scumread of yours. And no I'm not taking something as generic as the grush-case as an explanation if you're targeting newbs again.
You're WBG, you should have no problem at all making at least one case or give an explanation around this time.
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I don't care about what either of Eran or VE flip because this game is already fucked unless you acknowledge that more than half the playerbase is scummy lurkers.
If there are reasons Xsebt is town I haven't noticed (such as the RB thing) then ignore him.
What has BioSC done? Glasse? BKE? That hopeless guy? Hassy? hier? Synystyr?
If you're telling me you don't want to lynch any of these guys then you're not town. If you don't accept that mafia are among or being shielded by these players, then you have no interest in town winning.
At the current state of the game, it is unwinnable for town because so many people are unreadable and those who are at least decently unreadable are not willing to do anything about it. By the end of tonight talis is dead if he's town and then there goes 90% of our direction and willingness to do shit.
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Man there's no cases to make WHEN HALF THE PLAYERS HAVE NO POSTS.
Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else?
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On August 08 2012 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Man there's no cases to make WHEN HALF THE PLAYERS HAVE NO POSTS.
Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else?
I wouldn't consider you that active either. And I already said I'd rather not lynch into vets today and instead prefere a Hassy / broodking / Zentor / bioSC / synystyr / zephirdd lynch but noone else seems to agree with that 
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I'll lynch hassy if we can get people for it
Other than that I'm voting VE today
we can't just lynch into a group of six people. my worry is that having such a big group of lynch targets makes it too easy for scum to get the lynch off of the real scum and onto the shitty townies.
i will change my mind if someone can give me a case on why one of them is different from the others but tbh the only real way these games can not be lost by town inactivity is if there's a bigger post requirement that's enforced with modkills or if town has vigis.
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On August 08 2012 04:40 strongandbig wrote:
I'll lynch hassy if we can get people for it
Other than that I'm voting VE today
we can't just lynch into a group of six people. my worry is that having such a big group of lynch targets makes it too easy for scum to get the lynch off of the real scum and onto the shitty townies.
i will change my mind if someone can give me a case on why one of them is different from the others but tbh the only real way these games can not be lost by town inactivity is if there's a bigger post requirement that's enforced with modkills or if town has vigis.
Exactly. It would be incredible bad, so we need cases on them to figure out who's really the best target instead of just lynching into one of them.
Unless that happens people will want to lynch into either WBG / Eran / VE because they at least got some posts and people are committing when voting them.
Someone voting for someone like hier (for example) basicly says "fuck you guys. You're not going to read me!"
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On August 08 2012 04:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Man there's no cases to make WHEN HALF THE PLAYERS HAVE NO POSTS.
Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else? I wouldn't consider you that active either. And I already said I'd rather not lynch into vets today and instead prefere a Hassy / broodking / Zentor / bioSC / synystyr / zephirdd lynch but noone else seems to agree with that
I don't consider myself active at all. I've already explained why I'm not going to be as active as I am normally.
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On August 08 2012 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:39 Toadesstern wrote:On August 08 2012 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Man there's no cases to make WHEN HALF THE PLAYERS HAVE NO POSTS.
Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else? I wouldn't consider you that active either. And I already said I'd rather not lynch into vets today and instead prefere a Hassy / broodking / Zentor / bioSC / synystyr / zephirdd lynch but noone else seems to agree with that I don't consider myself active at all. I've already explained why I'm not going to be as active as I am normally.
Awesome. Let's lynch into lurkers starting with you instead of just hitting randomly one guy out the mass of lurkers.
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Go for it, I won't stop you.
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