EPTIf somebody called me suspicious and I were scum, I would be worried about it, so I would try to get them to explain their reasoning as soon as possible, so I would have more time to fabricate excuses.
Like what you just did.
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
If somebody called me suspicious and I were scum, I would be worried about it, so I would try to get them to explain their reasoning as soon as possible, so I would have more time to fabricate excuses. Like what you just did. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:08 MrZentor wrote: Wow, so I just activated your trap card? Also isn't it funny that your logic makes me look scummy and you townie? what a coincidence!If somebody called me suspicious and I were town, I would just ignore them until they gave some reasoning for their conclusion. If somebody called me suspicious and I were scum, I would be worried about it, so I would try to get them to explain their reasoning as soon as possible, so I would have more time to fabricate excuses. Like what you just did. Also, isn't it funny that MrZentor posts almost nothing up to this point and then just when he gets pressured he gets super serious and everything. Let's look at this: MrZentor gets under pressure: Doesn't care about the game which is why he lurked. MrZentor gets under pressure: His lurk-plan is spoiled. Which of the above situations would MrZentor react in the way he did? If he didn't give a shit up to this point, why would he do so now? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I work best under pressure, because that's what I'm used to. People always try to get me lynched. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
toad, I wish I could convince you. I think we might both be right, actually. I still can't shake the feeling that wbg is just fucking around, pretending like he didn't notice sloosh was killed etc. But I'm not ready to pull the trigger on that yet. VE you never answered why you picked the lurkers you said you would be comfortable lynching out of the total pool of lurkers... so why those three? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote: VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbg I am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore? Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
I'd like to point something out: On August 04 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I'd rather hunt for scum than defend myself, so I masoned a veteran in as a shortcut to establishing my innocence with him if he's town so he can smack down anyone (Toad) who thinks I'm scum for stupid-ass reasons. Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/ Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play. On August 08 2012 04:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I am completely unsure what to think of VE. At times I have had town reads on him (given the fact that he was asking for reads and he was making sense, to his response to Erandorr) but then other times I've had scumreads, albeit for some reasons you could pin on me as well (for example, apathy to the activity level). Usually when activity is low you see VE scrambling for people to post but I don't see it much here. I also can't tell whether his logic is making sense because he's town or because he's trying to blend in. I agree with his reasons for pressuring Erandorr. However Erandorr is special because as scum he's super lazy. At this point he's giving up unless I die so it may truly be that he is scum, but I find the much more likely explanation to be that Erandorr is town and just wrong. I don't think as scum he'd push the lynch so ridiculously hard especially if his reasons are all terrible. (and at this point he just seems too stubborn to admit it) So, no idea really how to read VE: I've never been good at reading him. Erandorr I definitely think is town. Toad is in the same boat as VE for me. I'm not good at reading him. I still think Xsebt is scum based on the tone of his posts (and he disappeared after I voted him) but with no pressure my read on him hasn't developed. Also based on my read throughs it's really strange how much snb buddies Erandorr. Also note how quickly the VE wagon built up: if he flips town then we should strongly consider examining the players who were on both wagons, and if he flips scum we should consider a bus possibility. (that is, if he ends up dying). I'd rather switch the vote to someone else, though, i'm not about to vote VE. VE's reasoning for masoning Bugs really seems like a lie to me. I just don't buy that he thinks he can establish his innocence with Bugs when he knows better than anyone how they tend to argue and get on eachother's nerves. I'd still really like us to lynch VE today, but I'd be fine with killing off a useless townie/lurky scum too. My preference would be Hassy or Glasse. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:15 talismania wrote: I can change my vote if MrZentor isn't a contender, but right now I think he is the most scummiest. Take a look at his filter please. Do you not agree with me?lazer stay on target. we only get one lynch. If you still think VE is scum, stay on VE. toad, I wish I could convince you. I think we might both be right, actually. I still can't shake the feeling that wbg is just fucking around, pretending like he didn't notice sloosh was killed etc. But I'm not ready to pull the trigger on that yet. VE you never answered why you picked the lurkers you said you would be comfortable lynching out of the total pool of lurkers... so why those three? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On August 08 2012 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Hassy and BKE have at least shown tertiary interest in the game talis. The other three have not. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:13 MrZentor wrote: Do you really play like this as town? Trying to look scum untill someone puts a vote on you? Lazermonkey, you should read some of my past games. I work best under pressure, because that's what I'm used to. People always try to get me lynched. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Whatever happened to your thoughts on xsebt and zephirdd? You said in PMs you were going to look into them yesterday. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
But I don't try to not look like scum. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
He is no help to any town of which he is part and it's inexplicable why he continues to play the way he does, but at least he occasionally tries a little bit which grush doesn't seem to anyway guys i'm so tired and this deadline is bullshit. We should be killing VE today. He's barely even putting in the effort to defend himself, just the minimum to maybe shift the lynch onto someone else. I still hold to the reasons I posted earlier why I think he's scum. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:16 Toadesstern wrote: Could we get a votecount? Here. + Show Spoiler [As of this post] + VE 5 Eran 4 Tali 2 WBG 2 CD 1 Xserbt 1 MrZ 1 | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:28 talismania wrote: Pms? I was never masoned/mason XD.ah sorry. I would argue that they are all around the same level of interest to be honest. Whatever happened to your thoughts on xsebt and zephirdd? You said in PMs you were going to look into them yesterday. Don't think I said that I was to look into zephird yesterday and it's kinda low priority atm due to the amount of people already having accusations against them. I'd like to save eventual Xsebt lynch for some other day. He is at least posting stands and reads, although little. We will hopefully be able to judge him for more than his >1 page filter later. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:31 strongandbig wrote: Fair enough. He is still a scum read for me tho, but since it seems very unlikely that he is going to get lyched...MrZentor is like grush, but only barely less so. He is no help to any town of which he is part and it's inexplicable why he continues to play the way he does, but at least he occasionally tries a little bit which grush doesn't seem to anyway guys i'm so tired and this deadline is bullshit. We should be killing VE today. He's barely even putting in the effort to defend himself, just the minimum to maybe shift the lynch onto someone else. I still hold to the reasons I posted earlier why I think he's scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: VE | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Welp, since the reads of the dead go entirely ignored in this game, I'm done here. Good luck - the scum team is going to have you going round and round and round. I bet you a million dollars that once I flip town you guys will lynch Bugs - and I bet a further million that he'll flip town. Good luuuuuuck. *smooches* | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On August 08 2012 06:20 s0Lstice wrote: I'd still really like us to lynch VE today, but I'd be fine with killing off a useless townie/lurky scum too. My preference would be Hassy or Glasse. That would really be a bad way to end my first game as a lurker | ||
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