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Thank you, that's really helpful. For some reason, I missed house stark, tyrell, and greyjoy. It's hard to keep track of all these things amongst all the flying accusations and discussions.
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Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop
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On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop
We cannot PM people outside our houses, right?
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On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop
If you mean me & Acro, it already happened in PM´s..
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On August 09 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop If you mean me & Acro, it already happened in PM´s..
Why is it happening again in the thread? Are you accusing him of something? Or are you trying to convince him his plan (whatever it is) is bad?
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On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms?
#Trafficcop We cannot PM people outside our houses, right?
lords can pm all other lords
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On August 09 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote:
I am not going to paraphrase my own missive, because that's just plain stupid, but what I don't get how you go from discussing the best use of our magics to "HOUSE TYRELL IS THREATENING TO USE THEM".
Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. I do not want to discuss our "magic" usage because that does not help us find mafia. If you tell me how does that help us find mafia right now to check any of the houses HP´s, i´m all ears.
I have never advocated the use of our magic right now. I have searched for a way to coordinate our swords, and thought the life check magic could help. My vassal Sharrant pointed out that this information might be revealed anyway with some patience. The risks of giving this information to the Blackfyre armies is obvious.
Regardless, there are loyalist uses of the magics and I am not willing to discuss them with you, and definitely not in this public hall, because its use relies on the collaboration of trustworthy lords and keeping the Blackfyre usurpers in the dark regarding its use. Blathering it out here in public would defeat its purpose entirely.
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I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit!
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@ Clarity:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction.
I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct?
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On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit!
No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you.
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Hey Vivax!
What do you think of Onegu, FT, Acrofales and johnnywup?
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No it's not. I did do something he asked me not to do, though.
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On August 09 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote:@ Clarity:+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction. I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct?
yes but there are two different things that could be called lies. one is that he told oats my real name because he was curious, when actually he told him that to kill my "plan" on purpose to get a reaction from me. the other is that he told oats I was going to reveal my rolename to the whole house anyway, when that was not in fact correct.
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On August 09 2013 07:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit! No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you.
You clearly said:
1) you want to use the HP check NOW (i read that as D1)
2) when i opposed that, you did not give me reasons why it´s beneficial to use that now.
How am i twisting your words?
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On August 09 2013 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit! No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you. You clearly said: 1) you want to use the HP check NOW (i read that as D1) 2) when i opposed that, you did not give me reasons why it´s beneficial to use that now. How am i twisting your words?
I never said point 1. I have no clue where you got that.
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On August 09 2013 07:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 07:22 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit! No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you. You clearly said: 1) you want to use the HP check NOW (i read that as D1) 2) when i opposed that, you did not give me reasons why it´s beneficial to use that now. How am i twisting your words? I never said point 1. I have no clue where you got that.
Read your last PM to me, the first line and especially 11th word of the PM. How am i supposed to undertand that?
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Rayn, I am calling you out, you duplicitous pretender. You think you can blackmail me into revealing a loyalist plan that relies, somewhat, on secrecy?
"you will back down if I reveal the plan"... REALLY
If you're loyal to the realm, you have a funny way of showing it, but I suspect you're nothing but a Blackfyre pretending to be a Kraken.
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
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On August 09 2013 07:24 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 07:21 Vivax wrote:@ Clarity:+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction. I think S & B said that you claimed to have lied to him to get a reaction. Is the representation correct? yes but there are two different things that could be called lies. one is that he told oats my real name because he was curious, when actually he told him that to kill my "plan" on purpose to get a reaction from me. the other is that he told oats I was going to reveal my rolename to the whole house anyway, when that was not in fact correct.
Yeah you're right actually, he went from casual explanations to more sofisticated ones once under pressure, that's quite scummy, but what feel do you gain from his in-thread activity, for example?Do you think that it's scummy too?
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol
First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.
I don't think you have only to consider the content of their PMs to get a read on Koshi and Dandel. Do you have at least a tentative read on the two?
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On August 09 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Vivax!
What do you think of Onegu, FT, Acrofales and johnnywup?
Why not ask me about s0lstice?I assume he is one of your scumspects?
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Acro, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Keep in mind the rest of the thread can't read the PMs between you two.
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