EPTwhen are the bastard roles going to come out??
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
when are the bastard roles going to come out?? | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali. I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all. DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. What are you accusing me of? You said on other occasions that you think I'm a Serial Killer (which is incorrect, too) but here you are saying DropBear pulling his vote off me makes me scummy. But for that, he would have to know I am scum to begin with. Are you saying there's another two-person team consisting of DropBear and me? Because that would be rather unlikely, even from your perspective. In fact, this quote is much more incriminating for DropBear than it is for me. cont. See here: KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] + On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote: I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier. Here, you go with DropBear's earlier assumption that I was Maju's scumbuddy. I find some things wrong with that.
cont. For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was. However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all. As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy. Other comments I am not yet decided on Nisani. I don't like some things in his play, specifically the way he just posts suspicions on people without committing, but I have not yet found anything conclusively scummy in his play. What I mainly don't like is his claimed "extra wincon". That sounds like 3P to me. I have an extra condition for losing, but can ONLY win with town. Any way to win, other than with town, sounds fishy. At best, it's like lynching Glados in Aperture and at worst, it's an anti-town wincon. While I feel DB is a better lynch for the moment, he is not a bad candidate. BioSC and Hyaach are lurking like bawzes and should be shot. Gonna read up on xsksc next. In my mind, this post doesn't really explain why you are "back on the KB train" again. You just accuse me because it makes your case on other people easier who voted/unvoted me, for their own reasons. On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote: about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time. As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down. I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling. My opinions on Nisani201, DropBear, and xsksc, and whom of them to lynch:
##Unvote: MajuGarzett (invalidated vote) ##Vote: DropBear | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:49 EchelonTee wrote: Vote Count: (in order of voting) Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET DropBear (2): Drazerk, Acro KharadBanar (1): BioSC MajuGarzett (1): KB EchelonTee (1): FourFace Not Voted: Strongandbig Nisani to be lynched. Kharad still hasn't changed his vote from the dead Maju =/ maybe I was wrong about him. Given the chance for a breather, he uses it to lurk instead of contribute or be townie or anything. I consider BioSC's vote a throwaway; I highly doubt he is Town. Completely unconcerned with what has been going on lately. Voting someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched at this point suggests that you are unconcerned with who will be lynched, and of the people voting low count players, BioSC is by far the most scummy. FourFace has also been absent for a while, since his case on me got shut down. And where the heck is SnB? I was writing my post while you posted that vote count  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
The entire post is a case against DropBear. You get mentioned in passing (and I admit I get a bit derailed there). I also don't think you're Maju's scumbuddy and agree that doesn't make sense for a number of reasons. For more of a case against YOU, you should look at the later post I made. That is more where I explain how the Maju flip doesn't help you at all: I thought you were 3rd party before the flip and think you're still 3rd party. Interestingly you gloat that I am wrong about saying you're a serial killer. So what are you? I *might* believe survivor. I won't believe you claiming town at this point. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:16 DropBear wrote: Some of this is so illogical it hurts my brain and much of it is factually incorrect. I don't actually know how to respond to this other than that I am ignoring you from now on. Wow. This is enlightening. Oh master of logic, please start by stating which parts are factually incorrect. When done with that, please explain what logic is wrong... and please please please do something that resembles serious scumhunting. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
Acrofales case still makes my head hurt. You voted for Majugarzett, maju flipped red, I unvoted you because of this. Apparently that makes me mafia these days sheesh. So what I haven't mentioned Maju? I haven't mentioned like half the players in the game it's still day 1. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:17 Acrofales wrote: Wow. This is enlightening. Oh master of logic, please start by stating which parts are factually incorrect. When done with that, please explain what logic is wrong... and please please please do something that resembles serious scumhunting. Wtf is serious scumhunting? I gave you a case on Nisani. I think he is red. I think he needs to hang. What more do you want from me? You yourself have only given one case, on me. Does that make you scum as well? OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. KB voted maju. Maju flipped red. I lose suspicion of KB because of this. According to you, that makes me mafia. Logically this just doesn't make sense. I lose some suspicion of him due to cold hard facts. Maju was mafia. KB voted for him. I never said I was "convinced" that KB is no longer mafia either. This is factually incorrect. If I did, please link me. I hadn't mentioned Maju, true. I also hadn't mentioned half the players in the game. By your logic, about half the game is on a scum team with me. You sir are tunnelling, KB is only voting for me cos I was drilling him earlier. I don't think you are mafia but I do think you need to reconsider the facts. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:18 DropBear wrote: How is my case on Nisani not substantial? He is running scared and defended a red. I always use big red letters in my accusations, as both mafia and town, read my past games. Acrofales case still makes my head hurt. You voted for Majugarzett, maju flipped red, I unvoted you because of this. Apparently that makes me mafia these days sheesh. So what I haven't mentioned Maju? I haven't mentioned like half the players in the game it's still day 1. It's that your reasoning seems to deliberately exclude any possible 3rd party, 2nd scumteam, etc, while what we know of the setup so far seems completely tailored to having 3rd parties or 2nd scumteam mechanics (and with the flip we have this pretty much confirmed: 2 scum seems highly unlikely). I can see no reason why a town player would be convinced that KB is no longer scummy based on the flip, given the setup of this game. Yet you claim to have been convinced that KB is not scum based on the flip. Why did the flip convince you that KB is town? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
The extra win loss thing seems pretty persuasive that nisani isn't maju's partner. It seems like we have a decent chance to take out an entire scum team day 1 so I'm gonna be voting based on who might be maju's partner. Right now that looks to be most likely xk or dropbear. Between the two of them I'm voting for dropbear, both look scummy but I don't think scum would be openly defending each other yet. ##vote: dropbear | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:30 Acrofales wrote: It's that your reasoning seems to deliberately exclude any possible 3rd party, 2nd scumteam, etc, while what we know of the setup so far seems completely tailored to having 3rd parties or 2nd scumteam mechanics (and with the flip we have this pretty much confirmed: 2 scum seems highly unlikely). I can see no reason why a town player would be convinced that KB is no longer scummy based on the flip, given the setup of this game. Yet you claim to have been convinced that KB is not scum based on the flip. Why did the flip convince you that KB is town? IT DOESN'T CONVINCE ME. It makes it MORE LIKELY. You are dealing in absolutes. KB is still dodgy but it makes him LESS LIKELY to be mafia. Who gives a fuck if there is a second scum team? Scum is scum. I am hunting who I think is MORE LIKELY to be scum with Maju having flipped. How do we even know there is a second scum team? Do you know something that I don't? You seem pretty convinced that there are two | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:35 strongandbig wrote: Good morning my Euro amigos! The extra win loss thing seems pretty persuasive that nisani isn't maju's partner. It seems like we have a decent chance to take out an entire scum team day 1 so I'm gonna be voting based on who might be maju's partner. Right now that looks to be most likely xk or dropbear. Between the two of them I'm voting for dropbear, both look scummy but I don't think scum would be openly defending each other yet. ##vote: dropbear WTF is going on? I actually don't understand any of you people | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
You're from the UK so I'll put it this way: my chthonic deities, my vast nibbling niebelung will nibble on you yet! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:26 DropBear wrote: Wtf is serious scumhunting? I gave you a case on Nisani. I think he is red. I think he needs to hang. What more do you want from me? You yourself have only given one case, on me. Does that make you scum as well? OF COURSE IT DOESN'T. KB voted maju. Maju flipped red. I lose suspicion of KB because of this. According to you, that makes me mafia. Logically this just doesn't make sense. I lose some suspicion of him due to cold hard facts. Maju was mafia. KB voted for him. I never said I was "convinced" that KB is no longer mafia either. This is factually incorrect. If I did, please link me. I hadn't mentioned Maju, true. I also hadn't mentioned half the players in the game. By your logic, about half the game is on a scum team with me. You sir are tunnelling, KB is only voting for me cos I was drilling him earlier. I don't think you are mafia but I do think you need to reconsider the facts. Tunneling scum is not a bad thing (ask Mattchew). BLINDLY tunneling is bad, but I have my eyes wide open and am reading other people... I just think you're the scummiest of all. I will happily tunnel you until you die or I change my mind about you. Scumhunting does not only consist of making PBPA cases. You can pressure people for information in many different ways. HiroPro's chezinu thing was actually a good example of an unorthodox method of scumhunting (and it caught at least one scum in Maju). Talismania put some decent pressure on. I would like to think that my active stance and tracking down people saying things I don't like the sound of is also helping town. Oh, and additionally, I am not convinced by your Nisani case. I have looked at his filter and given my opinion on it. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
strongandbig this is the singel worst post I have ever seen in Mafia ever and is also the biggest bandwagoning I have ever seen. How is an extra win/loss thing persuasive. Nisani claimed that he has an extra wincon. That's it. Not what it is. Not if it's benign or malicious. Just that he has an extra wincon. HOW THE FLYING FUCK DOES THAT CLEAR HIM? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:37 DropBear wrote: IT DOESN'T CONVINCE ME. It makes it MORE LIKELY. You are dealing in absolutes. KB is still dodgy but it makes him LESS LIKELY to be mafia. Who gives a fuck if there is a second scum team? Scum is scum. I am hunting who I think is MORE LIKELY to be scum with Maju having flipped. How do we even know there is a second scum team? Do you know something that I don't? You seem pretty convinced that there are two I'm pretty convinced that in a 15-player game there are more than 2 scum? Yes. Whether they're a team? I don't know. There may just be a large number of 3rd party out there. You think it's likely that Nisani is on a scumteam with Maju? How does Nisani's claimed "extra wincon" fit with being scum with Maju? Or do you think he's lying? And got a lucky guess? Or scum was given alternative wincon roleclaims or something? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
But sure if you want to take any claim as gospel you go right ahead. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:42 DropBear wrote: I am a Vengeful Townie. If I am lynched the last person to vote for me dies as well. Do your fucking worst. strongandbig this is the singel worst post I have ever seen in Mafia ever and is also the biggest bandwagoning I have ever seen. How is an extra win/loss thing persuasive. Nisani claimed that he has an extra wincon. That's it. Not what it is. Not if it's benign or malicious. Just that he has an extra wincon. HOW THE FLYING FUCK DOES THAT CLEAR HIM? He has claimed it is not in contradiction with town wincon too. The point is that it leaves the following possibilities: 1. Nisani is telling the truth about having extra win/loss conditions. That seems not to jibe with Maju's role pm, so they are not scum together. 2. Nisani is lying about having extra win/loss conditions. Nisani was the FIRST to claim he had extra conditions and he has done so in decent enough detail for now. That means: a. He is scum with an incredibly lucky guess to say something that jibes with, at the very least, my own role pm (at least as far as extra loss conditions go). b. He is scum and scum was provided with full false roleclaims to use... he then volunteered this info at a time when it wasn't strictly necessary. c. He is not Maju's scumbuddy, but something else. Out of these, (2c) seems by far the most likely to me. Hmmm... interesting role claim. What is your name? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:48 DropBear wrote: I THINK NISANI IS ON A SCUMTEAM WITH MAJU BECAUSE HE FUCKING DEFENDED MAJU HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR CAN I MAKE THIS Is this your first game of mafia? Townies defend scum all the time. The whole point of mafia is that townies don't know who is scum and thus can be wrong about their reads. | ||
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