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Acrofales
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Acrofales
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On June 19 2012 21:53 Acrofales wrote: Is this your first game of mafia? Townies defend scum all the time. The whole point of mafia is that townies don't know who is scum and thus can be wrong about their reads. EBWOP: not claiming Nisani is town, just making a general statement. I do think Nisani is not Maju's scumbuddy (unless scum is provided with false roleclaims, then it enters the realm of possibilities again). | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:52 Acrofales wrote: He has claimed it is not in contradiction with town wincon too. The point is that it leaves the following possibilities: 1. Nisani is telling the truth about having extra win/loss conditions. That seems not to jibe with Maju's role pm, so they are not scum together. 2. Nisani is lying about having extra win/loss conditions. Nisani was the FIRST to claim he had extra conditions and he has done so in decent enough detail for now. That means: a. He is scum with an incredibly lucky guess to say something that jibes with, at the very least, my own role pm (at least as far as extra loss conditions go). b. He is scum and scum was provided with full false roleclaims to use... he then volunteered this info at a time when it wasn't strictly necessary. c. He is not Maju's scumbuddy, but something else. Out of these, (2c) seems by far the most likely to me. Hmmm... interesting role claim. What is your name? Please link me to where it is that Nisani claimed his extra win-loss conditions first. Show me where it actually happened. | ||
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Acrofales
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On June 19 2012 21:59 DropBear wrote: Please link me to where it is that Nisani claimed his extra win-loss conditions first. Show me where it actually happened. You could just go over his filter, it's not that hard, but okay: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote: Alright so I've just read through the thread and I have no idea why people are saying that my play is strange or weird or whatever. I don't know why people are getting away with soft-calling me scum (I'm looking at you, talis) and no one is really posting reasoning There is Hyaach's analysis on me, which is pretty bad. Alright, I agree that I didn't explain myself very well in that post and it looks pretty bad, but I'll try to explain it now. My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is. This is a crazy game and it has crazy roles... I know that I have a crazy role, not sure about others but my experience with crazy games suggests that most people are going to have crazy roles as well. Why the hell did you include this in your analysis? Did you run out of posts that you thought were actually scummy? This entire case is forced, and this part of it proves it to me. Once again more blatant and pointless speculation. A lot of people are talking about the king. Because 2 people (and probably more) already have information on it it seems like it's a very important mechanic in this game. Information is especially important in a game like this where we have so little information about the setup and anything can happen. What the hell is this? I ask a question to the host and now you're spinning it and making up bullshit. There are a million reasons why I could have asked this question, and you pull one out of the hat to match the opinion of Hiro and a few others that I am 3P. On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote: Why do you want me to claim? I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives. This is after knowledge of the MA and king was given out, but nobody had mentioned alternative wincons, except deconduo's speculation on kingmaker + assassin. As an extra crumb we have this: On June 19 2012 05:46 Nisani201 wrote: No I don't know about any other factions, and my role PM didn't have any information about monarchs or monarchist activist. So he claims his extra wincon/losscon are independent of the M.A. and king mechanic in the game. I am very hesitant to believe this bit, though. | ||
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Acrofales
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
I am going to bed. I will not be here for the lynch deadline because it will be 2am. I reiterate my claim of vengeful townie. If I am lynched the last person to vote me dies. Please don't be stupid. The bandwagon votes on me right now are incredibly thinly justified. | ||
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DropBear
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strongandbig
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 22:54 strongandbig wrote: He means your role name herp derp Fairly certain this is him claiming he doesn't have a role name... which cause me to not believe his claim. But we're losing track of the bigger picture. SnB: what do you think of Nisani? You say you don't think he's Maju's partner... so is he some 3rd party? Or town? Same question regarding KB. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18287 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:49 EchelonTee wrote: Vote Count: (in order of voting) Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET DropBear (4): Drazerk, Acro, KB, SnB KharadBanar (1): BioSC EchelonTee (1): FourFace Updated. HiroPro, xsksc: why are you voting for Nisani? FourFace: do you think your vote on ET is doing any good? Out of the realistic lynch candidates (hint: they are Nisani, xsksc, DropBear and I'd see KB as an outsider candidate) who do you want dead? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Does anyone want to do some looking into deopbear's past games? For some people this kind of outburst is townie, for other people it's null, but I'm at work and don't really have time to heck that out. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:38 strongandbig wrote: Oh and Drazerk you may have everyone else fooled, but not me! You're from the UK so I'll put it this way: my chthonic deities, my vast nibbling niebelung will nibble on you yet! lol  *reading what I missed* | ||
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Drazerk
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Its 92% chance of being a fake claim 8% chance oh well lets have 201 be the last person to vote | ||
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Drazerk
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote: My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is. Is the DropBear case really only based on the fact that he unvoted KB with weak reasoning and has never mentioned maju??? That's not convincing at all and I think his reaction to your case is genuine and townie. And don't use that connection business when we haven't even seen KB flip...... Between xsksc and KB, I'd definitely prefer lynching KB. KB is really really defensive - just look at the way he reacted to Acrofales's post on DropBear just because he thought it implicated him. He has been talking nonsense the entire game (look back at my post on him at the end of n0 - he said joining House Chezinu was good because it would narrow down the amount of people (both scum and town) he would have to look at. He talked about allying with the HOUSE being good because then they wouldn't interfere in his affairs.... He's not town. ##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote KharadBanar | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Possibility of two birds with one stone? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 20 2012 01:03 Drazerk wrote: The role in itself is a scum get away tool and anyway we can have YOUR lynch target be the last person to vote for him if he is telling the truth Possibility of two birds with one stone? It's better than just lynching DropBear I guess. But I would still prefer that we just lynch KB. How do we even get KB to unvote, though? | ||
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