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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
You allying with House Chezinu does not prove your alignment at best. at worst, it makes you look like 3rd party. Information that would benefit town and 3rd party alike is not very telling of you. Most of your question was on N0. Then when Talis asked you questions about the set up, you pop up a defensive question On June 18 2012 09:20 Nisani201 wrote: First of all I'd like to call out BioSC for hardcore lurking throughout all of N0. However I'd prefer not to lynch a lurker today because I think there are better targets. xsksc is who I'd like to lynch today. Read his filter, and you'll see that he is sort of unwilling to contribute but is trying to make posts in the thread. In other words, all of his posts are easy to make. His most recent post, commenting on me and KB wanting to ally with the House Chezinu, is once again very diplomatic and is siding towards the general popular opinion on the thread. Putting my vote on him for now. ##Vote: xsksc How is that a case? If anything he has the same play as you making post in thread which are easy to make. And you are not even committing on this case. You kept asking around for opinions on him. Seems to me you are waiting for response before you fully commit. Why so wishy washy? And no you attacking my cases on you will not make me back down. If i can't convince, just read his filter yourself. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
My bottomline is 201 is a 3rd party in this set up and is a decent candidate lynch for information. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:27 Hyaach wrote: And no you attacking my cases on you will not make me back down. If i can't convince, just read his filter yourself. I would actually encourage this. Read my filter and all you'll discover is that I've been playing perfectly town all game. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17825 Posts
Maju made a case on Fourface (a pretty terrible one, but he was trying to deflect pressure from himself onto FF, which he'd probably not do if they were scum together). This case is basically a chainsaw defense of ET, but because ET didn't actually need defending (only FF was pressuring him), I am not going to read any conspiracies into that. Based on this, FF is likely not on Maju's team and the chainsaw defense says nothing about ET's alignment. However, after this case, he is pressured into saying something about KB. He thinks KB is scummy based on this: On June 19 2012 08:28 MajuGarzett wrote: KB is scummy. I know I said earlier that I didn't suspect him but that was in reference solely to the act of making an alliance with the house. The stuff he's done after that is bad. Nisani is okay but I disliked how little info there was in his vote for xsksc. He didn't really point out anything, just make generalizations and tell people to go look at the filter themselves. This is about as useless an accusation as they get. What stuff was bad? Of course Maju wouldn't go into specifics: he's scum and giving out information is something he doesn't want to do. I am hesitant to draw any conclusion about KB's alignment based on this. However, we then have KB talking about Majudude: + Show Spoiler [KB about Majujular] + On June 18 2012 04:55 KharadBanar wrote: His first couple posts are all questions on the inner workings of House Chezinu which seems like the usual earlygame discussion attempts. One could possibly interpret that as scum gauging whether or not it's worthwhile to enter, but it's entirely possible that this is just genuine interest, in which case it's a null read so I'm not ready to judge Maju on that alone. This is essentially what I was thinking at that moment, and I'm town, so I don't get a real read in any direction here either (I know some of you were getting slight scum vibes from him at that point, what with softdefending the scummy looking Nisani and me, but he really understood my though process) There is however a noticeable absence of any accusations in his filter, which suggests he's either an uninterested townie, 3rd Party or scum. In conclusion, Maju looks less townish than the Night 0 discussion leaders (Acrofales and HiroPro, later EchelonTee), but not scummy enough for me to be willing to lynch him. On June 19 2012 04:06 KharadBanar wrote: Why not? If Bio doesn't get pressured we may never hear a something useful from him. On the other hand, Maju pretty much has the same problems as Bio right now. I'm not opposed to pressuring him right now either. In fact, I want to get more people in this thread to not lurk. ##Vote: MajuGarzett On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote: I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. So... we go gradually from "he's not my first scum candidate", to "lurking scum" and finally to "scummier people are around, but keeping my vote on the lurker". Scummy voting behaviour if ever I've seen it. KB is looking pretty solid as a 3rd party lynch. And I already pointed out that DropBear has a strange twisted view of KB's playstyle. + Show Spoiler [Koala thinks KB is scum... or does he?] + On June 18 2012 22:59 DropBear wrote: Yes he did answer my suspicions. With a post that made me more suspicious of him. I accused him of talking a lot and saying nothing, he replied, his reply was more of the same. I think he is scum because he made a slip that is not including himself among town. I think he is scum because of his constant apologising which shows inherent guilt. I think he is scum because of his flailing around based on popular opinion regarding house chezinu on night0 trying desperately not to offend anybody. I think he is scum because of his large wordy but contentless post saying things like "giving mafia information is bad" in 3 paragraphs that make it look like he is helping but he isn't. I think he is scum rather than a third party because Nisani is defending him and Nisani is dodgy as shit. Nisani defends him from both xcxkc or however you spell it and also myself. As for this first post I made which you keep bringing up, I said I wouldn't join. And I didn't join. My actions speak for themselves. This case has some merit (except for the connection crap with Nisani) On June 19 2012 12:51 DropBear wrote: Jesus christ you guys are spammy. Please stop with the one-liners! I'm reading up. Good shot on majugarzett, I'm unvoting KB for now cos he was voting for maju according to the voting thread. WTF. See my case a few posts above for the reasoning. Additionally we have KB voting for Koala getting shot by Tali. From this, either KB and DropBear are happily bussing the hell out of each other (a good tactic, but only really in the hands of Drazerk... or in the case of totally shitting up the thread a la Toad/VE), or they are not scum together, but both are scummy. I therefore conclude that DropBear is most likely scum with Majuju and KB is some strange 3rd party who is completely uninterested in helping town (and quite possibly out to murder us all). | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5240 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:38 talismania wrote: I will say this again: it's really unlikely nisani is maju's partner. Nisani claimed "a crazy role" with "extra win and extra lose" wincons. The existence of "extra lose" wincons was backed up by acrofales. Maju did not have any of these wincons. Therefore I find it an incredibly fortunate lie by nisani to have made that up if he is indeed maju's partner. More likely, nisani is third party or something. This is actually quite. Nisani is probably 3rd party unless he simply lied about having multiple win. Now that I think about it, when he said "I don't want to start a feud with a potentially strong faction", that sounds a lot like a 3rd party saying "I don't want any trouble boys, do your thing". Add in that he hasn't been hiding to the extent that Maju did, means that I'm fairly confident Nisani is 3rd.cons. Whether he is an SK-type or a survivor-type we don't know. You guys have to remember that 1. Maju appears to only have 1 partner, and 2. there are likely to be SK types or other mafia factions. With that in mind, just because someone does mention, or doesn't mention Maju doesn't damn them or exonerate them. The associative tell is stronger in a standard game; in this setup, we can't just say "DropBear didn't mention Maju, must be his partner". We're running very low on time. I am not saying this to fearmonger; I am saying this because we have to decide on a lynch ASAP and last minute sht never works. Nisani is probably 3rd party; a lynch on him would be OK; but I do consider it less likely that he will flip anti-town due to his behavior. I need to think about it more. Nisani is my backup lynch preference if the next 8 hours is a shit show, as I doubt he's Town, but I would prefer to find someone scummier. It's quite possible he's a harmless 3rd, and he hasn't been completely non-constructive or whatever the heck. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5240 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:27 Hyaach wrote: Just because I'm not around at spam time does not mean I'm lurking. You allying with House Chezinu does not prove your alignment at best. at worst, it makes you look like 3rd party. Information that would benefit town and 3rd party alike is not very telling of you. Most of your question was on N0. Then when Talis asked you questions about the set up, you pop up a defensive question How is that a case? If anything he has the same play as you making post in thread which are easy to make. And you are not even committing on this case. You kept asking around for opinions on him. Seems to me you are waiting for response before you fully commit. Why so wishy washy? And no you attacking my cases on you will not make me back down. If i can't convince, just read his filter yourself. this post is pretty derp. The comment where you say do the "at best" "at worst" thing regarding Chezinu doesn't mean anything. The correct statement is "you allying with Chezinu does not prove your alignment.", but you put in that second bit to find a reason to call him bad. I also dislike when people ask about my role and wincon. Because, you know, usually you don't want to post your role and wincon in thread whether town scum or 3rd. His "defensive question" isn't scummy. His case on xsksc is adequate. You don't need a big fat PBPA analysis case of w.e. I am liking a Nisani lynch less and less, especially seeing the people who are for it. Hmmm.... I think I'm going to agree with what's been said by Tali/Nisani so far. ##Unvote: ##Vote: xslsc | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5240 Posts
As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down. I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:28 Hyaach wrote: EBWOP My bottomline is 201 is a 3rd party in this set up and is a decent candidate lynch for information. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote: about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time. As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down. I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling. Why am I a lynch candidate again? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:24 EchelonTee wrote: This is actually quite. Nisani is probably 3rd party unless he simply lied about having multiple win. Now that I think about it, when he said "I don't want to start a feud with a potentially strong faction", that sounds a lot like a 3rd party saying "I don't want any trouble boys, do your thing". Add in that he hasn't been hiding to the extent that Maju did, means that I'm fairly confident Nisani is 3rd.cons. Whether he is an SK-type or a survivor-type we don't know. You guys have to remember that 1. Maju appears to only have 1 partner, and 2. there are likely to be SK types or other mafia factions. With that in mind, just because someone does mention, or doesn't mention Maju doesn't damn them or exonerate them. The associative tell is stronger in a standard game; in this setup, we can't just say "DropBear didn't mention Maju, must be his partner". We're running very low on time. I am not saying this to fearmonger; I am saying this because we have to decide on a lynch ASAP and last minute sht never works. Nisani is probably 3rd party; a lynch on him would be OK; but I do consider it less likely that he will flip anti-town due to his behavior. I need to think about it more. Nisani is my backup lynch preference if the next 8 hours is a shit show, as I doubt he's Town, but I would prefer to find someone scummier. It's quite possible he's a harmless 3rd, and he hasn't been completely non-constructive or whatever the heck. "Mentioning" is different to defending mate. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17825 Posts
Because I think you're scum, as I stated here (with your inadequate reply) and here. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17825 Posts
I have also read Nisani's filter and other than the really dodgy roleclaim I have a null read. I think that a full roleclaim at this time is a really bad idea, and I am not willing to lynch Nisani just to get more info on the setup, because I think there are scummier people. What in Nisani's filter is setting people's alarm bells off (other than that dodgy roleclaim, which, btw, was also completely unnecessary if he's actually a dodgy 3rd party role)? For the moment, I think neither nisani, nor xksjaakdquqiweksks are particularly good lynches and we should be lynching Koala or KB. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote: Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali. I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all. DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here: KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] + On June 19 2012 05:51 KharadBanar wrote: I am for DropBear at the moment, the reason being that DropBear actually played somewhat scummy, Maju "just" lurked until now. I'm keeping my lynch vote on Maju though. let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier. For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was. However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all. As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy. Some of this is so illogical it hurts my brain and much of it is factually incorrect. I don't actually know how to respond to this other than that I am ignoring you from now on. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:16 DropBear wrote: Some of this is so illogical it hurts my brain and much of it is factually incorrect. I don't actually know how to respond to this other than that I am ignoring you from now on. When in doubt ignore everything and spam the thread?  | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4291 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:17 Drazerk wrote: At least go all blazing hand on us I don't get what this means? On June 19 2012 16:12 Nisani201 wrote: Dropbear cares more about taking credit for this lynch than hunting scum, he could be third party. This is a very strange statement. Are you trying to damage my credibility good sir? Given up already? I would also like to state that xsksc is making more sense than any of you and he is the last person I would vote to lynch at this point in time. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:28 DropBear wrote: I don't get what this means? This is a very strange statement. Are you trying to damage my credibility good sir? Given up already? I would also like to state that xsksc is making more sense than any of you and he is the last person I would vote to lynch at this point in time. Read im a cop you idiot mafia | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5240 Posts
Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET DropBear (2): Drazerk, Acro KharadBanar (1): BioSC MajuGarzett (1): KB EchelonTee (1): FourFace Not Voted: Strongandbig Nisani to be lynched. Kharad still hasn't changed his vote from the dead Maju =/ maybe I was wrong about him. Given the chance for a breather, he uses it to lurk instead of contribute or be townie or anything. I consider BioSC's vote a throwaway; I highly doubt he is Town. Completely unconcerned with what has been going on lately. Voting someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched at this point suggests that you are unconcerned with who will be lynched, and of the people voting low count players, BioSC is by far the most scummy. FourFace has also been absent for a while, since his case on me got shut down. And where the heck is SnB? | ||
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