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TL Mafia XXXI - Page 47
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On October 09 2010 13:18 Protactinium wrote: Hrm would anybody be averse to me just flipping Misder? It'll save some time for anybody waiting. Jesus, you're dead... don't backseat mod. This is BrownBear's game... | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Apologies for being late (even though I warned you I might be). Mad Max is a very mesmerizing movie when you are high. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Since I don't want to write up a post tonight (not in the right state of mind lol), I will just flip their roles and write a real post tomorrow morning. It is now night, get those actions in! Elsewhere, cSc was sleeping instead of watching Mad Max. He got eated by a bear. The second day had progressed much the same as the first. Lots of accusations floating around, no real headway made until late. As night drew ever closer, though, it was decreed that someone would die. Eventually, the fateful decision was made. Misder shrank back as the mob closed in on him, trying to beat back the hands that reached out and clamped onto his arms. He was dragged in silence to the gallows, where Infundibulum's body had been found swinging the night before... The trap door opened, Misder dropped, jerked once, and then moved no more. The crowd sat silently. One of them suddenly said "Wait... where's cSc? He was answered by the roar of a bear in the distance, followed by a bloodcurdling scream. The town went to bed no closer to their goal than before. It had been decided that tomorrow morning, a second gallows would be hastily constructed to speed up the proceedings. They just hoped they could be more efficient than these first 2 days. Misder the Townie has been lynched. cSc the Veteran has been modkilled. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
 what happened to double lynching? | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
And yea, verily the number of the counting shall be two. | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On October 09 2010 12:46 Misder wrote: After I die (if I die), you guys need to rethink how mafia actually think and post. If you reread my posts (you don't have to) there are things that I say that mafia wouldn't say (or at least I would think they wouldn't, but then what do I know...). Reminder: Town, youre suppose to be scum hunting. Destroy all the reds plz. Detectives, you guys are key. Use your power to search people that act a bit scummy to tell whether or not they actually are (someone experienced at this game might want to correct me on this, but don't trust anyone (lol, I remember quoting ~Opz~ saying this exact same thing, and I called him out on it; yay contridiction)). People, discuss more. Everyone agrees that discussion generates evidence against mafia. Also, use what you know to your advantage. Oh, about the not trust anyone thing, I really mean it. My first game of mafia, I trusted DTA, the mayor and probably the most active in the game who gave everything a noob needed to be sucked in, and completely failed to even hint that he was mafia. This is probably directed to people who trust someone like Pandain (not saying hes scummy; personally I think hes green). If Pandain was mafia, he knows who mafia is and who isnt. By how the town is playing right now, its not hard for mafia Pandain to find posts that seem scummy, write an analysis on why a post that is somewhat kinda scummy makes that person an absolute lynch target, and get away with it. So don't follow people around; dont get influenced (lol, now im sounding like a transcendalist...). unless said person is bill murray but i'm going to die tonight anyways | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
There seems to be a large number of people that think Bill is both unlikely to be mafia yet also think he would be a good lynch. This is plain idiocy, there are not many situations where lynching a town player is beneficial to the towns interest objectively and this is not one of them. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
His first posts are useless and I won't quote them for the sake of saving space. They concern the issue of protactiniums smurf. He continues throughout the beginning posting a lot but making empty arguments others have already made. "Who is protacts smurf?" This amused me: On October 06 2010 11:13 SiNiquity wrote: I'm pretty sure lynching the village idiot means we all lose. I see no reason for mafia to play along. Oh really? We lose if we lynch the VI? Thanks for the input SiN. On October 06 2010 11:29 SiNiquity wrote: This presumes the Mafia is in a position to win - if they feel like they're losing, then it's the town's game to lose by following through with the lynch. Says the same thing. On October 06 2010 11:46 SiNiquity wrote: Once the VI is truly out in the open, we could argue that Mafia forfeits now or we lynch the the VI. My point is, by lynching the VI we -also- lose, so yes if the mafia is down then they have no reason to follow through with the kill, just as we have no reason to follow through with it. Granted I see no reason why the mafia wouldn't kill the VI just to get rid of him, but I don't agree that we would be in a position to blackmail them. Same obvious argument. Of course we can not lynch the Village Idiot. On October 06 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote: I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision. Worthless post about protacts smurf On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled. Not voting: bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail Not posted nor voted: XeliN, JeeJee Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\ Backseat modding, no reason to post this whatsoever. On October 06 2010 12:05 SiNiquity wrote: EBWOP: Credit (or blame if it's wrong) to BrownBear for that list, I simply pulled it from the vote thread. Admits himself that it's not even his list, he just copy pasted it. Big waste of space. So far he has a lot of posts and ZERO content. On October 06 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote: [/url][url="http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157921¤tpage=2"]Go vote for someone. link to the voting thread, very helpful more backseat modding. so far has added zero content or thought to this game On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote: I getcha, heh. Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up. worthless post starting on page 22 he spams relentlessly, except this post stands out to me On October 06 2010 13:58 SiNiquity wrote: No I agree. Except then at least I'd have a chance at a mafia role I'm always town-aligned, gets old after awhile.What is the point of this? It's obvious at this point that BB wasn't going to end a game. This is a convenient time for mafia to come out and say "oh but I hate my role as (town role), let's restart". Not overtly suspicious but this is when he became a blip on my radar as "possible red" instead of just "awful and useless town player" now ALL THE WAY from page 22 to 39 he spams one-liners with NO information. Look at his post history in his profile. It's ridiculous. he goes out of his way to confirm himself as town during twilight and then just continues spamming the thread. word. Here is his first "big and useful" post. Which was utterly useless. Let's look at it (I'll be posting my thoughts inside the quote in red) On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote: Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. he claims he doesn't want to encourage durther discussion of the PM's but yet his entire post is centered around discussing EXACTLY that. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies. It had already been confirmed some pms were sent by artanis and that they were worded differently. Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: complains about spam despite being a terrible spammer himself. BM's plan was clever despite the fact that it was totally useless because not every role PM was worded the same way. SiNiquity either doesn't know this or is feigning ignorance. Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). bill maintained town was the correct answer because that's the PM he received. people received different PM's so none of what you just said matters in the slightest bit. there was no trap. Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. do you even realize this sentence makes your ENTIRE post fall apart? As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: I will Confirmed players from my perspective:
Suspect players from my perspective:
you agree with BM's methods and come out with compeltely different conclusions. there are two scenarios that makes this possible. one is that you are dumb and did not understand what BM was saying. you say earlier in the thread that bill murray maintained "town" as the correct answer when it was indeed townie. how did you know this was BM's intention? He never claimed it was. This means you were communicating with BM via PM (which is a rule violation), or because you are both mafia. Or you recieved a role PM that said townie which just goes to prove that the role pms are different. Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over. Even though he interpreted BM's argument THE OPPOSITE of how BM interpreted it. He still accused bloodycobbler. It seems strange to me that there is nothing in common between their conclusions other than the fact that they both painted BC red (bill murray and SiNiquity) what did we learn from this post? 1. there is a big possibility BM and SiN have communicated out of game 2. despite interpreting BM's argument very differently SiN still accused bloodycobbler and insisted BM is 100% town. After two more useless posts SiN posts this On October 09 2010 12:17 SiNiquity wrote: That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. On October 09 2010 12:47 SiNiquity wrote: I don't think either Misder or XeliN are mafia, and if my tired count is correct they're the current big leaders in the vote. Would you like to explain? Misder didn't end up being mafia, just a bad townie. But why even say this if you aren't going to provie a reason? Not only does he not back up his defense but he doesn't propose an alternative. He isn't scumhunting which is what town should be doing. Lynching mafia. If SiNiquity is mafia, Bill Murray definitely is. SiNiquity you have some explaining to do. How did you "know" BM was using the word "town" to trick people and was actually looking for the word "townie". How did you understand BM's argument yet come to different conclusions? Why the spam? The nonsense one-liners? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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Crisis_
United States165 Posts
But if you guys don't consider that as content, refer to my post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=45#887 | ||
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Crisis_
United States165 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
3. Bill Murray 5. SouthRawrea 6. Amber[LighT] 8. Divinek-albeit I do have suscpcions 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 13.~OpZ~ 14.DoctorHelvetica 15.infinitestory 17. 18.NukeTheBunnys 19.Crisis_ 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachae :p 22.meeple 23.kingjames01 24.ghrur | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 10 2010 08:40 Crisis_ wrote: I'd like to point out that ghrur and CynanMachae have both voted against me on Day 2. Just worth noting. But if you guys don't consider that as content, refer to my post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=45#887 Actually, I checked the timings, and ghrur voted for you 1 hour before you made that post, and CynanMachae 2 hours after. On top of that, ghrur posted a fairly logical analysis against you on page 44. I'd like to see Cynan's reasoning for voting for you though. | ||
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