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Crisis_
United States165 Posts
I think some of us are looking in the wrong direction right now in terms of leads, and we should really focus on those who we are NOT focusing on, if that makes any sense. And as such, my suspicions on CynanMachae, ghrur, and BM are lowered, at least until I get some more information. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [original post] + On October 10 2010 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is my analysis of SiNiquity, a player of whom I have been suspicious of since day 1 but is growing ever larger now on my radar. His first posts are useless and I won't quote them for the sake of saving space. They concern the issue of protactiniums smurf. He continues throughout the beginning posting a lot but making empty arguments others have already made. "Who is protacts smurf?" This amused me: Oh really? We lose if we lynch the VI? Thanks for the input SiN. Says the same thing. Same obvious argument. Of course we can not lynch the Village Idiot. Worthless post about protacts smurf Backseat modding, no reason to post this whatsoever. Admits himself that it's not even his list, he just copy pasted it. Big waste of space. So far he has a lot of posts and ZERO content. link to the voting thread, very helpful more backseat modding. so far has added zero content or thought to this game worthless post starting on page 22 he spams relentlessly, except this post stands out to me What is the point of this? It's obvious at this point that BB wasn't going to end a game. This is a convenient time for mafia to come out and say "oh but I hate my role as (town role), let's restart". Not overtly suspicious but this is when he became a blip on my radar as "possible red" instead of just "awful and useless town player" now ALL THE WAY from page 22 to 39 he spams one-liners with NO information. Look at his post history in his profile. It's ridiculous. he goes out of his way to confirm himself as town during twilight and then just continues spamming the thread. word. Here is his first "big and useful" post. Which was utterly useless. Let's look at it (I'll be posting my thoughts inside the quote in red) Even though he interpreted BM's argument THE OPPOSITE of how BM interpreted it. He still accused bloodycobbler. It seems strange to me that there is nothing in common between their conclusions other than the fact that they both painted BC red (bill murray and SiNiquity) what did we learn from this post? 1. there is a big possibility BM and SiN have communicated out of game 2. despite interpreting BM's argument very differently SiN still accused bloodycobbler and insisted BM is 100% town. After two more useless posts SiN posts this What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. Would you like to explain? Misder didn't end up being mafia, just a bad townie. But why even say this if you aren't going to provie a reason? Not only does he not back up his defense but he doesn't propose an alternative. He isn't scumhunting which is what town should be doing. Lynching mafia. If SiNiquity is mafia, Bill Murray definitely is. SiNiquity you have some explaining to do. How did you "know" BM was using the word "town" to trick people and was actually looking for the word "townie". How did you understand BM's argument yet come to different conclusions? Why the spam? The nonsense one-liners? | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:59 SiNiquity wrote: (a) (paraphrased) "haha lynching VI is bad for town, you're so dumb siniquity, we all know that" no, infinitestory or whoever was saying we should hold the mafia hostage with the VI, and I was pointing out that was a stupid idea over and over again. I'm absolutely thrilled that you've somehow taken that and twisted it into making me look like a moron. I hope the rest of your post isn't like this. (b) "worthless post about protacts smurf" smurfing hurts town. Lynching hurts smurf. I thought putting more pressure on protact would get him to fess up. If you were smart you'd have seen that I threatened him, he ignored me and just kept posting, and then I voted to put him in the lead and tried to keep the pressure on him, but he didn't budge. Yet you think posting "10 minutes left" with protact having a single vote lead, one of them being me, and protact actively posting, is worthless. Ironically, the fact that he did nothing was the biggest tell that he was VI: (c) SiNiquity: "[BB: let's continue.. why bother restarting?] No I agree. Except then at least I'd have a chance at a mafia role  I'm always town-aligned, gets old after awhile." Why say this? Because I'm always town aligned and it gets old after awhile, which is why I was perfectly content with protact being VI and rerolling  (d) "now ALL THE WAY from page 22 to 39 he spams one-liners with NO information" you sir are a dirty little liar. I didn't post after page 25 until page 39. Not that this mischaracterization is out of line with anything else you've said. You're just as bad as BC in the last game I played when he analyzed me. Yeah I spammed a bit on 22-25 when nothing important was going on, during twilight and immediately after protact was pronounced VI. Sue me. Points (e) through (l) are referencing my large post on page 39 (e) "he claims he doesn't want to encourage durther discussion of the PM's but yet his entire post is centered around discussing EXACTLY that." I didn't want people to discuss to reveal additional PM knowledge as that was clearly banned, but wanted to reference the claims people had already made, as I thought we had some actual concrete evidence to work from, and ignoring that would be stupid. Hence the disclaimer. (f) "It had already been confirmed some pms were sent by artanis and that they were worded differently." Up until that point, there was no confirmation of different wording in the PMs. There was however confirmation that multiple hosts PMed people. Silly me for thinking anyone in this thread would need such a distinction pointed out. Oh wait, I did. In the point you're rebutting. + Show Spoiler [Blue posts from pg 33 to my pg 39] + On October 07 2010 15:22 BrownBear wrote: I just logged in and saw this. What the fuck. BM... stop. On October 07 2010 15:28 BrownBear wrote: BM, the next time I see this level of spam, it's a modkill. You've taken up like 60% of the last 3 pages BY YOURSELF. ffs stop spamming, or at least consolidate it all into one post. On October 08 2010 00:53 BrownBear wrote: Let's pleast stop talking about the PMs. It's a slippery slope, and as you all know, quoting all or part of them is illegal. Get back to scumhunting based off of analysis, not stupid PM-based shit. On October 08 2010 05:41 BrownBear wrote: It really pisses me off that role PMs are STILL being discussed here. Since this seems to be a sticky point, and since some people know this and others don't, I'll clarify it for everyone here. Both Artanis and I sent out role PMs, to make our workload easier. We had no clue it would be so much of a federal fucking issue when we did so. Now STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AS THOUGH IT'S A PART OF THE GAME. On October 08 2010 06:10 BrownBear wrote: RoL has very kindly given kane]deth[ back his role. kane will continue the game on double super-secret probation: if he gets modkilled for missing another vote, I will be very sad  (g) "complains about spam despite being a terrible spammer himself." Yes, let's take an outright lie from point (d) and use it to draw a conclusion. (h) "BM's plan was clever despite the fact that it was totally useless because not every role PM was worded the same way. SiNiquity either doesn't know this or is feigning ignorance" See point (f). (i) bill maintained town was the correct answer because that's the PM he received. people received different PM's so none of what you just said matters in the slightest bit. there was no trap. See point (f). (j) (In reference to: caveat ~ PM wording may have been different) do you even realize this sentence makes your ENTIRE post fall apart? Yes which is why I put it both at the top and bottom of my post. Because it was that important. (k) (In reference to: "Take the following with a grain of salt") oh i will: Oh you're a clever one. (l) you agree with BM's methods and come out with compeltely different conclusions. there are two scenarios that makes this possible.
Or I received a role PM that said townie which meant BM was parading town as the correct answer to catch other people. But that would depend on the PM wording being the same huh. I wonder if I should, idk, make a disclaimer about that? The next post you quote even elaborates on this, but naturally you ignore that.(m) What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. ~ Taking this in turn
(n) He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. Seriously, this is getting old. Thank God I'm almost done with this. Read your paraphrase, read the quote in point (l) and honestly tell me if they're the same. If English is your 2nd language, I forgive you.(o) If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. The irony of your words is seeping from my monitor. If <false paraphrase> is true, then <draw conclusion> unless <conclusion #1 out of 2 from (l) is true> or <completely unrelated yet highly ironic possibility is true> (p) (Referring to me thinking Misder/XeliN are not mafia) Would you like to explain? Misder didn't end up being mafia, just a bad townie. Yeah it was totally Misder's fault for getting lynched. Stupid bad townie (q) (Continuing from prev. point) But why even say this if you aren't going to provie a reason? Not only does he not back up his defense but he doesn't propose an alternative. He isn't scumhunting which is what town should be doing. Lynching mafia. His late posts convinced me he wasn't scum which is why I didn't vote for him - I'm sorry that this wasn't obvious based on the fact that I posted that right after Misder posted. I don't think XeliN is mafia because he was the first to articulate BM's tactics, which I already stated in my "long analysis post." But you read that and picked it apart already, so you'd know this, right? As for why I didn't make a case for someone else, all of this was 15 minutes or something like that before the lynch, so no, I didn't make a case for someone else, because there wasn't enough time.[Summary]: (a) misrepresentation (b) stupid (c) (d) lies (e) misunderstanding (f) lies (g) conclusion from lies (h) unsubstantiated claim (i) unsubstantiated claim (j) (k) clever jab (l) incomplete analysis due to conclusion from unsubstantiated claim (m) misrepresentation (n) misrepresentation (o) misrepresentation / stupid (p) (q) misrepresentation / I don't even know. Stupidly high expectations? If your role PM said townie than what you said makes sense. If you're admitting to that then a lot of what you said makes sense under that light. Obviously you didn't say that so I hope you can see how the conclusion that you and bill murray had communicated out of game could be drawn? you could be very well lying but your defense is satisfying to me. I'm not saying you're definitely mafia but pressure needed to be applied to you to clear that up, is that ok with you? you seem personally very offended | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
misder accused with nothing behind it, that's bad play and it got him lynched. he didn't apply pressure to anyone. if we want to catch mafia we need to put people on the hot seat, that's really the only way. people crack under pressure. mafia are extra defensive and because they feel subconsciously guilty will defend themselves in a much different way than a townie will. keep in mind we're double lynching tonight, if we don't catch mafia the effects will be disastrous for us | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:01 Crisis_ wrote: Pandain's out, and he was the one who led the analysis against Misder, who was also a townie. I think Mafia's trying to kill off people who are not only inconsequential (can't be traced back to mafia), but also players who can analyze posts like Pandain. I think some of us are looking in the wrong direction right now in terms of leads, and we should really focus on those who we are NOT focusing on, if that makes any sense. And as such, my suspicions on CynanMachae, ghrur, and BM are lowered, at least until I get some more information. WIFOM maybe mafia are killing people who can't be traced back to us, or maybe they know we will think that so they are killing people who were on their trail, but maybe they're doing the opposite, or maybe they're doing the opposite of the opposite that doesn't really help us in determine who mafia is unless there is a clear pattern (hitting people who roleclaim, hitting people who are accused of having a blue role, hitting people who vote a certain way, etc.) | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
If your role PM said townie than what you said makes sense. If you're admitting to that then a lot of what you said makes sense under that light. Obviously you didn't say that so I hope you can see how the conclusion that you and bill murray had communicated out of game could be drawn? No I never said (and note that I -still- have not said) what my role is directly because BrownBear explicitly said to stop discussing PMs, and me saying "hey my PM said ________ and was from _______" would be violating this, as well as the disclaimer of my own post (the one from page 39, the long analysis one). I did however allude to it as heavily as I could: Smiley face by Opz when saying who I thought was likely town, saying this was all from "MY" perspective, then clarifying in a later post that "MY" perspective was the same as OpZ's perspective. I can see how the conclusion could be drawn, but you also mentioned another possibility (namely the real one) but completely dismissed it and used the other one to draw conclusions. That's just dishonest. you could be very well lying but your defense is satisfying to me. I'm not saying you're definitely mafia but pressure needed to be applied to you to clear that up, is that ok with you? you seem personally very offended lol offended? No. I'm only offended that we're making crucial decisions on analysis like that. If you are alluding to the fact that my retorts were pointed and often critical of your analysis, then sure. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:36 SiNiquity wrote: No I never said (and note that I -still- have not said) what my role is directly because BrownBear explicitly said to stop discussing PMs, and me saying "hey my PM said ________ and was from _______" would be violating this, as well as the disclaimer of my own post (the one from page 39, the long analysis one). I did however allude to it as heavily as I could: Smiley face by Opz when saying who I thought was likely town, saying this was all from "MY" perspective, then clarifying in a later post that "MY" perspective was the same as OpZ's perspective. I can see how the conclusion could be drawn, but you also mentioned another possibility (namely the real one) but completely dismissed it and used the other one to draw conclusions. That's just dishonest. lol offended? No. I'm only offended that we're making crucial decisions on analysis like that. If you are alluding to the fact that my retorts were pointed and often critical of your analysis, then sure. I didn't dismiss it. If that is indeed the case then I understand why you interpreted Bill Murray's arguments the way you did. Otherwise the only explanation is that you communicated with Bill Murray outside of the game. I'm not saying one is true and that you're mafia. I'm saying that one of those MUST be true. It deserves focus because of that possibility. I really don't see any other way you could have come to the conclusions you did about BM other than that. Crucial decisions? What decision did I make here exactly other than the decision to put pressure. Mind you that's exactly what we as a town need to be doing. Pressuring people. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry that it's a bit late guys. Night 2 Pandain missed the Mad Max night so he tried to steal the videotape from someone. That person was quite attached to his Mad Max video which was soon filled with the green blood of Pandain. Pandain the Townie is now dead Voting for day 3 has now begun. Don't forget that it's a double lynch people. I hate to state the obvious, but only one person died. Are people notified if they are hit but saved (i.e. bulletproof vest, medic save, etc)? I didn't see anything in the OP but I could be blind. Granted it's more likely that someone's been poisoned. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't dismiss it. If that is indeed the case then I understand why you interpreted Bill Murray's arguments the way you did. Otherwise the only explanation is that you communicated with Bill Murray outside of the game. I'm not saying one is true and that you're mafia. I'm saying that one of those MUST be true. It deserves focus because of that possibility. I really don't see any other way you could have come to the conclusions you did about BM other than that. Crucial decisions? What decision did I make here exactly other than the decision to put pressure. Mind you that's exactly what we as a town need to be doing. Pressuring people. I never said you made any decisions ~ I'm only saying that every night's lynch is based on stuff like that, and if it's inaccurate or incomplete then you're doing everyone a disservice, because they're probably not going to take the time to so thoroughly analyze your analysis. I understand the point you were driving at now, but much of your post contained inaccuracies (i.e. me spamming for 17 pages vs 3, and it's not nearly as bad as you allege), misquotes (taking "Look, now that I understand BM" as "I understand BM"), bad summaries ("siniquity saying stupid things about lynching VI, no shit"), etc. That's just off the top of my head, the rest is in my post. Ironically I'm setting the bar ridiculously high for myself now when it comes to analyzing anyone | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 13:19 SiNiquity wrote: I never said you made any decisions ~ I'm only saying that every night's lynch is based on stuff like that, and if it's inaccurate or incomplete then you're doing everyone a disservice, because they're probably not going to take the time to so thoroughly analyze your analysis. I understand the point you were driving at now, but much of your post contained inaccuracies (i.e. me spamming for 17 pages vs 3, and it's not nearly as bad as you allege), misquotes (taking "Look, now that I understand BM" as "I understand BM"), bad summaries ("siniquity saying stupid things about lynching VI, no shit"), etc. That's just off the top of my head, the rest is in my post. Ironically I'm setting the bar ridiculously high for myself now when it comes to analyzing anyone You didn't say "now that I understand BM", but rather "I understand BM". I looked at each of your posts rather than reading the entire thread so some context was lost but I put the pressure on you that I wanted and I'm satisfied with your response. I hardly suspect you OR bill murray either now. I fear the mafia is going to try to twist the double lynch as a free kill on bill murray and someone tenuously connected to him. However I could not ignore the prevalent possibility that you had communicated with BM outside of the game, I hope you can at least appreciate why that couldn't and shouldn't have been ignored. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
Now lets look at this motherfucker kane, I know there’s not much to look at lol On October 06 2010 06:25 kane]deth[ wrote: Due to school, I can really only post around this time. Just making a post to indicate my activeness, will edit or post again later with thoughts after reading the thread. Edit: So I'm not sure what content I must post to be not lynched so I suppose I'll just give my opinion on the RNGing lynching of inactives. I think it'll be a good idea as long as we're not lynching any modkills for obvious reasons. I personally don't contribute much and might be considered inactive, but thats because of my inexperience. >: So I think that at least pressuring people to post more is a good idea. Flat out giving us his excuse that he’s not gonna contribute much and be inactive, ie ANTI town. An argument could be made for town neutrality but that would require content from him. This is not an original idea btw, he’s literally parroting about 3 other people at this point. Guilty conscience? I imagine his mafia buddies yelled at him for that one On October 07 2010 10:26 kane]deth[ wrote: I have no idea what to do once again. The more I try to find suspicious people, the more I think everyone is suspicious. I suppose I'll just keep reading and see if anyone really jumps out at me ._. Time and time I have seen new mafia players try this card out. They are confused, they don’t know what to do, this prevents them from having to put forward any of their own ideas because they know they are quite likely to slip up in ways they haven’t even thought of yet. Newbie town players are quite often FEARLESS, they know they got nothing to hide and they get into this game because they are EXCITED to get those mafia! NOT SCARED, why would you be scared if you were town? Then he apologizes for not voting blah blah more guilty conscience fuel On October 08 2010 09:57 kane]deth[ wrote: So I am currently voting for Misder as the proof that others have posted on him seems more reasonable than the accusations against any other player currently. The plan on getting rid of BM seems reasonable as well, but most of the analysis today has been wasted on what to do with him instead of finding Reds. Xelin seemed quick to bandwagon with BM but besides that he doesn't seem to be very suspicious. He could've just been slow on realizing how ridiculous BM's plans and not just bandwagoning for a kill. See that bolded word there? Yeah that’s right, OTHERs so if it goes bad (which it did) then he can go WELL I DIDN’T WANNA DO IT, but you guys presented such good arguments I agreed! Not my fault! It’s deflection at the most basic level Get rid of bm blah everyone already said that. Jumping on xelin too, everyone else did that. I mean this stuff would be fine to do of his own accord, but he’s just repeating everything that’s already been said. This is KEY because he can’t be caught for spewing bullshit because none of it is his own On October 08 2010 09:59 kane]deth[ wrote: Also note that I have no idea how these players have played in previous games, so I can't make references like that, or if something is strange or off about someone's playstyle. More I don’t know bullshit, as in don’t expect me to do things, to be useful. Blah blah im sick of your excuses. On October 08 2010 10:21 kane]deth[ wrote: I suppose proof was a bad word to use there. The accusations that he made against the 'higher tier' players baselessly and his general aggression. Basically the post that Ghrur made. Currently he's just making trouble by trying to lynch players at seemingly random. I'm also lost on one thing; is the only way to find a players posts is to find a post of the player and then click profile? I love seeing this tactic. He apologizes, then puts up some shit justification and THEN he adds a question to the end of his post, as questions always take up everything you’re thinking about because you immediately try to answer that question and almost seemingly forget what you just read lol, quality double fake of the old flame fanning. On October 09 2010 12:07 kane]deth[ wrote: I had voted for Double Lynch already, as we would be able to lynch BM. Yuh yuh guys I agree with you don’t get angry with me im doing wut u asked. DIE Also as a little tidbit rol almost replaced this dude, look at rols only post in that entire time On October 06 2010 16:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: HAI GUYS SO U NO IM IN THIS GAME NOW SO I WILL POST LATER AFTER I READ. Excuse for inactivity followed up by NOTHING. Sorry kane you’re not going to continue coasting by unnoticed. There’s nothing but wifom trying to draw away from if it was because of you on his list that pandain was killed or not, but one thing I do know, you’ve been doing fuck all for us and I have a pretty good idea why. You’re getting my vote, I will avenge you pandain! | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 10 2010 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Crucial decisions? What decision did I make here exactly other than the decision to put pressure. Mind you that's exactly what we as a town need to be doing. Pressuring people. In the name of DrH, I will put some pressure on BloodyC0bbler, who was my #1 suspect before Misder tripped my radar (falsely, and for that I'm sorry D: ) LONG POST INC I'll begin with Bill Murray's analysis of happy.fairytail, who used to occupy the slot that BloodyC0bbler now does. I disagree with his accusation of BC as "rolefishing," but I have to say he does make some good points against HFT. On October 07 2010 13:35 Bill Murray wrote: Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". I'll now proceed to my own thoughts on BloodyC0bbler, and I'll naturally begin with his refutation of BC's analysis. On October 07 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hell even your contradiction is laughable. He had how much actual time to do what he said he had done minus 12 hours. Creating a spreadsheet/worddoc with information is becoming common place, and insanely useful. You start it typically day 1, and add/alter information as the game progress' This is a desperate attempt to save yourself, and your clinging at straws. I find that this defense is made of paper. BC manufactures his own evidence, claiming that "creating a spreadsheet is commonplace and insanely useful" right when it benefits him to say so. If it's so useful and commonplace, why did he not give that advice to the new players? (Remember, one of BC's first posts in the thread was advice to newbies) Also, I agree that reading 12 pages of posts is doable in 35 minutes (1 page/3 min), but I personally can't spot solid red flags in peoples' posts while reading at that speed, and HFT claimed to have done "analysis" and "profiles," which are quite in depth. Now we transition into the PM debacle. I won't go into BM's evidence using BC's town/townie response, because that was shot down by the hosts. I'll try to focus on BC's content posts, because he does have a large number of one-liners ridiculing BM. In fact, out of those accused by BM, I think BC reacted the most aggressively. On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. Subtly talking as if he's a guardian of the people, which is a tone I personally find scummy; in some of these posts, he almost seems to be forcing himself to talk like a townie. On October 07 2010 15:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am arguing that you are spamming a thread and not providing actual detail. I am also proving you wrong on multiple levels, thats because I am town and would like to win the game, thanks. I didn't see BC prove BM wrong on "multiple levels," or with legitimate evidence for that matter. In fact, BC posts several one liners that add no content himself. He also claims again that he is town, and I'm not sure why. On October 07 2010 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? there is a major difference between spamming a post to be ignored, and making 7 posts in a row that are one liners that offer no real substance -_- Many of your posts in this thread were simply one-line back and forth with BM. On October 08 2010 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am however intrigued how you come out of complete inactivity, defend not only bm, but xelin as well. Are the mafia really playing so badly as to so obviously link together, or are the three of you combined just bad? This is in response to SiNiquity. It is odd that SiN defends BM and XeliN, but BC still says it's "obvious" that the three are mafia AND linked together. He's already declared his opposition to BM, and his analysis of Xelin arrives later. I will note that while I combed BC's posts, I saw many more that added no content, giving some impression of posting but not really. Now for BC's lengthy analysis of XeliN, which I will counter-analyze. Spoilered because it is LONG + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2010 12:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yay analysis time. I am leaving the obvious moron BM out of this as well, we all have determined he is retarded, so lets move on. First off I will be analyzing Xelin. I am opting to analyze him primarily because he stood out for his massive screw up by following BM. Now your going to ask, “but why xelin?” I will tell you why. I have been on a mafia team with xelin before. As such I know his play well enough at this point to know he’s not playing town. His general mafia style is sit back and wait, posting the bare minimum to stay off peoples radar’s and only appearing under a few situations. -Defend himself -Making random useless post to appear active -Jump on board ideas of his teammates, or people who are playing badly yet most people believe are town. Lets give you a brief summary of Xelin’s history this game. -Signed up -Didn’t post, nor vote day 1 -Came back with the excuse He openly admits he only posted due to mod warnings. Shows a complete disregard to the game and genuine lack of caring. He then reappears to defend himself against posts that insinuated he wasn’t modkilled because he had a role (this could be true or not). However the only real action to this lack of modkilling was he should be RC’d to verify his role. He then defended himself from being RC’d? He then drops back into inactive land until reappearing to support BM instantly and push the lynch of two of BM’s targets. Now, Xelin has worked with both myself and Opz in previous games, he knows that between the three of us every blue role in a game was coordinated into one unit and the mafia was quickly killed. Factor in his normal mafia playstyle this fits in perfectly. He keeps up his defense of BM’s strategy until he, much like bm, had the logic shot down by the town. Now backed into a corner he responds with This post saying “I wont defend myself unless you ask me directly now” is a clever way of dodging all the previous comments and concerns. As rather than answering why he supported bm, or even making analysis on targets, he tries to pull himself out of the hotseat without actually having to do work. People then began to focus on inactive players at the time like misder, leaving xelin forgotten. He also asserts he was intending to actually contribute then decides he would rather not and sit back and pick what he responds to. His play this game has been spotty, very anti town and untop of it all extremely inactive. Based on this I would put him as a strong possibility to be Mafia, or since he refuses to defend himself directly from being lynched a VI although that to me seems more like a mafia ploy than reality. At this point he is a strong candidate for a mafia lynch, or if nothing else, it removes a non contributing inactive member out of the game. In both cases town comes away ahead. If he is VI, then I am as bad as BM. For now xelin is my #1 suspect, but I will start re-reading now to see if any others stand out glaringly. First off, you claim your experience by listing Xelin's characteristics while playing as a red, which include posting very selectively and attempting to hide from the public eye. However, you then claim that he "disregards the game" and has a "genuine lack of caring." This actually contradicts the modus operandi of a player who watches and waits for opportunities to post, and I want to hear what BC has to say. Saying you've put a behavior to a pattern is pretty questionable when you show that you don't have a real understanding of that pattern. ON the other hand, the second part of his analysis does strike a valid point, and I pretty much agree with it. TO SUM: BloodyC0bbler's and HFT's posts have been riddled with contradictions and characteristically unhelpful (HFT mostly does useless analysis, while a good portion of BC's posts are one-line attacks on BM and others, which I have omitted). I would like to see, in response, a solid defense with logic. If BC can back up his accusations of BM, SiN, and Xelin with more logical evidence (actually, mostly BM and SiN), I will consider him much less suspect. | ||
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~OpZ~
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SiNiquity
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On October 10 2010 13:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You didn't say "now that I understand BM", but rather "I understand BM". On October 10 2010 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: After two more useless posts SiN posts this: Look, now that I understand BM's plan, ... What is this post about? Protecting BM and explaining his late vote. Mafia like to vote late so that they make sure to have the least conspicous vote possible. He says "I understand BM's plan" yet in his previous post he interpreted CLEARLY in the exact opposite way BM did. If that is the case there is no way he understood what BM was doing unless they communicated or unless SiN has really really bad reading comprehension. k? Now let's move on. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 14:11 SiNiquity wrote: k? Now let's move on. On October 09 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote: Wait. So we're double lynching just to lynch BM "for free" tomorrow? That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733[/QUOTE] That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. [/QUOTE] you are correct. i was remembering things in a biased and ugly light and I apologize. I've already said I'm satisfied to your defense so I would like to move on as much as you would. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Been misssssssssing you. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 10 2010 14:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733 That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate. EBWODP (poor formatting) you are correct. i was remembering things in a biased and ugly light and I apologize. I've already said I'm satisfied to your defense so I would like to move on as much as you would. | ||
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