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Foolishness
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? + Show Spoiler + In that game you died day 1. Don't think there was too much fooling going on there. Either way if you look at that game I'm playing wayyy differently. Ace and Foolishness don't deserve medic protection. Whoever is the Bullet Bill should check Eiii or Chaoser. Also reading over Radfield and Barundar's posts, I agree with the thesis that neither of the lynch candidates are mafia, and that the mafia probably wasn't heavily concerned about the lynch. This makes vote list checks that much more useless. I propose that Scamp give a gunpowder sniffing kit (that works like Bullet Bill) to someone instead of a vote list check kit. Individual checks are probably better right now than blanket checks. Besides, Mafia XII GF is the only mafia GF that can evade a BB check. Making bulletproof vests is useless. Its not like the inventor will even be able to guess who to give it to correctly. On May 19 2011 01:39 Ace wrote: No, it's very valid. There has not been one credible argument against Barundar. Ever. Just because KavCaprio flipped Town doesn't mean Barundar is Scum. The Barundar train was terrible, just stop trying to pass it off. As for the bolded don't try and say "this is what you were saying". It wasn't. If I wanted to say it or imply it - I would have said it. Barundar and KavCaprio could both be innocent. Then what? Why would the mafia have to be "persuaded" to do anything? It's two innocents. As long as no mafia die there isn't any WIFOM there. It makes excellent sense. You and Incognito are the top 2 suspects. One for the KavCaprio lynch, the other for the Barundar train. This "Barundar was an alternative lynch" spiel is utter garbage. Show me just ONE credible case against him. This is townie Ace who's too proud to do real analysis, or this is mafia Ace. The problem with Ace this game is that while he has been active in the thread and pushed an agenda, he hasn't taken the spotlight. He's piled everything up on me, and is content to sit back and yell the Incognito is scummy mantra. Ace isn't scumhunting. He's trying to lynch obvious townies who are just a bit out there. Ace is acting irrationally while trying to appear rational. He has a gun, so nobody's going to want to argue with him. Right? kitaman, please tell me why deconduo is confirmed anti-town | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: For vote-checker, just name it mafia-vote checker, then it becomes unambiguous. Just "vote checker" only tells us that it checks votes, not what. No, that's not unambiguous. A mafia-vote checker could be a vote-rigging device that's used by the mafia. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:31 Scamp wrote: No, that's not unambiguous. A mafia-vote checker could be a vote-rigging device that's used by the mafia. How can it be a vote-rigger? Also, I think arguing about names is useless at this point. There's nothing in the Inventor role-description that says the invention name must be in line with its function. There's also nothing stopping the inventor from using acronyms to name his inventions so they'll show up as random names. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Here's some interesting tidbits: Everytime I read the name Chaoser, I pronounce it Chowsah in my head... Instead of seeing Infinitestory, I read Infestory. Like a pantry, but infested. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
 On May 19 2011 09:45 Radfield wrote: Well we need to talk about something. Here's some interesting tidbits: Everytime I read the name Chaoser, I pronounce it Chowsah in my head... Instead of seeing Infinitestory, I read Infestory. Like a pantry, but infested. + Show Spoiler + I friended someone named Mr. Wiggles on B.net but am too afraid to ask if it's the real him. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:28 Incognito wrote: kitaman, please tell me why deconduo is confirmed anti-town -He is trolling -He wants us to lynch him because he thinks he is the mole. -He provides no insight on the set-up nor contributes on day one, but promises to be pro-town in the future. -He feels his most useful purpose is to be lynched because he did not get bulletproof, a role he claims to have selected because it is fun. -He admits to purposely acting scummy in order to "catch scum". -He contradicts himself in his most recent post Do you feel otherwise? On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote: I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. Do you have a better suggestion? I guess it depends on how powerful the items are allowed to be. For example, is he allowed to create a phoenix down that could revive kav? Can he invent a voting machine that allows the owner to rig the next lynch? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Putting that aside, why don't we make an x-ray machine or something that can be used in conjunction with a vote-check/alignment check that gets rid of covers and such. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:50 Pandain wrote: + Show Spoiler + I friended someone named Mr. Wiggles on B.net but am too afraid to ask if it's the real him. My B.net name is Jester.481 or the code's something like that. On May 19 2011 09:52 chaoser wrote: It's pronounced chow-ser. Like Bowser but not. Or you can be like fucking RoL and call me chaos-er. Putting that aside, why don't we make an x-ray machine or something that can be used in conjunction with a vote-check/alignment check that gets rid of covers and such. I pronounce it like RoL  I'm just going to trust in the inventor at this point, as it doesn't look like the names need to follow the use, and because almost every name is ambiguous. For example, X-ray machine could be an item that kills with radiation. Coming up with anti-town uses for names is endless. I'm still going to say, depending on item use, that claiming you got the item and what it does is going to generally be the best thing for us. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:28 Incognito wrote: Ace and Foolishness don't deserve medic protection. Whoever is the Bullet Bill should check Eiii or Chaoser. Also reading over Radfield and Barundar's posts, I agree with the thesis that neither of the lynch candidates are mafia, and that the mafia probably wasn't heavily concerned about the lynch. This makes vote list checks that much more useless. I propose that Scamp give a gunpowder sniffing kit (that works like Bullet Bill) to someone instead of a vote list check kit. Individual checks are probably better right now than blanket checks. Besides, Mafia XII GF is the only mafia GF that can evade a BB check. Making bulletproof vests is useless. Its not like the inventor will even be able to guess who to give it to correctly. This is townie Ace who's too proud to do real analysis, or this is mafia Ace. The problem with Ace this game is that while he has been active in the thread and pushed an agenda, he hasn't taken the spotlight. He's piled everything up on me, and is content to sit back and yell the Incognito is scummy mantra. Ace isn't scumhunting. He's trying to lynch obvious townies who are just a bit out there. Ace is acting irrationally while trying to appear rational. He has a gun, so nobody's going to want to argue with him. Right? kitaman, please tell me why deconduo is confirmed anti-town Who's acting irrational? You were on the wagon of a confirmed innocent and flip flopped on Day 1. Stop it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:21 Foolishness wrote: I would put $100 on there not being any vote checks tonight. I'd also put $500 on Inventor not inventing a vote check kit or a bullet proof vest. why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored  | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 19 2011 08:41 Radfield wrote: Hold the phone. Decon claims to have taken bulletproof and missed. Bulletproof is almost useless for a mafia player, and there are wayyy more other pro-town roles that also benefit mafia hugely, while still looking pro-town. I don't see an anti-town player drafting for Bulletproof, hopefully we can mainly agree on that. It's possible, but would be a really bad play. There are 18 players below Decon, and I bet at least one of them went after Bulletproof. If someone else drafted it, then they will call him out. Assuming Decon is town, it also gives every player above him a modicum of protection from mafia tonight. As a general note on using a bunch of KP night 1. This is a terrible idea. Mostly for the obvious reason that the amount of info we have will skyrocket after our first mafia kill, and as the game goes on. But also, there are multiple roles in this game which allow players to avoid lynches, in the event this happens, town really needs some KP to deal with it. If his claim is true that is. Based on that, the Bullet Proof is among these players. 1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal I'd logically think that you won't be the BP, and FW claimed Jack I believe. Not sure about the others. So if there was a BP, it would be among these four. 1. Scamp 2. Caller 3. Barundar 4. GMarshal Lie/Truth? Would one of these players pussy out and drafted BP? Take your chances. Just throwing it out there. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:52 chaoser wrote: It's pronounced chow-ser. Like Bowser but not. Or you can be like fucking RoL and call me chaos-er. Putting that aside, why don't we make an x-ray machine or something that can be used in conjunction with a vote-check/alignment check that gets rid of covers and such. lol, I'm like RoL | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
If I have a lover out there... tonight I hope to finally meet you, so we can discuss the rest of the game together! I R Scared... Can I hide behind somebodies right now? Maybe someone will invite me to their treehouse... Maybe someone will be my martyr... If only we lynched a true hero... may the medics save me.. or the priest raise me.. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:59 Ace wrote: Who's acting irrational? You were on the wagon of a confirmed innocent and flip flopped on Day 1. Stop it. Townies are wrong all the time. But who am I kidding, I don't need to convince you of anything. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 19 2011 09:45 Radfield wrote: Well we need to talk about something. Here's some interesting tidbits: Everytime I read the name Chaoser, I pronounce it Chowsah in my head... Instead of seeing Infinitestory, I read Infestory. Like a pantry, but infested. Sorry for ruining your pantry I’ve been thinking about the way the town was spread all over the place in the last lynch. There were some very lonely votes, but there’s no reason to brand them as suspicious outright. In fact, I’d say that what happened is there were way too many targets being discussed for lynch, and people voted for which of the analyses seemed most correct. And damn, were there a lot of them. Of course, this doesn’t apply to the placeholder votes of tnkted and Mr. Wiggles. On the whole, though, the reason for the wide vote spread is the sheer number of suspects being discussed. It was just a matter of who was discussed the most. I’m certainly disoriented. There are a lot of arguments, but I don’t think I’ve seen a single cohesive argument that focuses on more than one piece of evidence (my own included – although I have even more reason to suspect Incognito based on the last 24 hours). As people have said (and I think Incog said this too), the mafia doesn’t really care about the Day 1 lynch. And they didn’t really need to do anything to the votes, since we were so disorganized and decentralized that the lynch was pretty RNG, based on who was accused the loudest (read: Kavdragon) With that said, here goes nothing. Incognito Not impressed with the number of people who see Incognito talking a lot and assume he’s town. On May 14 2011 13:31 Incognito wrote: Whoops I meant only KillerSOS is mafia. Node is fine. For now. Fifth post in thread. This was a whole 4 days ago. I still don’t know why Incognito could possibly gather enough to call out KillerSOS so early. The key point is the timing here. KillerSOS, at this point, has just a few posts himself, and I doubt Incognito could have gathered enough for such a sure statement. We’ll never know, though, since Incog NEVER gave his logic for this scum read. Even though I asked at least once. On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote: Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks. ##Vote Kurumi To beat the dead horse here, but only for the sake of completeness: 1) GMarshal accusation. Out of nowhere, again. 2) Kurumi vote. Out of nowhere, again. 3) Claims FW has nukes. Out of nowhere, again. This is definitely false, seeing as I’m still here. Kurumi’s posts, up to this point, have sounded very pro-town, I believe. He’s been consistently putting his thoughts forward in full and making a very strong effort to explain them. On May 17 2011 07:04 Incognito wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 05:14 Foolishness wrote: And as someone already pointed out, the obscene amount of number collisions on the bottom half of the draft give way to the idea that most mafia are probably in the top half. Hmm, who was that someone? Oh wait, it was me! On May 17 2011 05:46 GMarshal wrote: KillerSOS So, I did a search of all his posts in order to find any posts that were relevant to analyze, looking for something juicy. There is exactly nothing, he has posted nothing but one liners. I'll pull out the ones that seem relevant, but theres *nothing* there. Here are some examples of his great contributions + Show Spoiler [great contributions!] + On May 14 2011 10:28 KillerSOS wrote: Well I'm going with two mid range numbers. Dare you to guess them. Completely irrelevant post, also not true he picked [5] IIRC, which is not really midrange, usless post On May 15 2011 17:03 KillerSOS wrote: I like how 13 was near the top. Interesting. Contribution = 0 On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote: I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members. First game relevant post, and all it does is shoot down a decent idea, without actually contributing anything, bravo, so far my "lurker" radar is going nuts. On May 17 2011 03:10 KillerSOS wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that you are just spitting out nonsense. Would you like to explain yourself? People are accusing me, quickly demand an explanation of why they think that my 8 posts are all contentless one liners! KillerSOS is lurking, and I've made my stance on lurkers clear in the past, hang them all! ##Vote KillerSOS Get in here and contribute or hang by the neck till dead, I'd rather you did the former, but if you refuse I have no issue hanging you for it. There are way worse posters than KillerSOS. And suddenly you want to hang him? This is so random...oh wait... Flamewheel, seriously just nuke this duder. To all of you voting me, just think how I could possibly be mafia for a second. I come out and post about the vote rigger/list check combo, that apparently nobody else was even thinking about. There is absolutely no reason for me to do this as mafia. So what's the explanation for my weird play? I'm in Chicago for the weekend. Ver/Foolishness/Flamewheel all know this. I don't have the time I need to play a proper Day 1 (which unfortunately is one of the most crucial parts of the game), but I should be able to play seriously starting tomorrow after I finish my midterm. Bumatlarge is also on the right track. Chaoser is a good vote too. Actually, wait, a better vote than Kurumi. I'll put Chaoser as 85% mafia. ##Vote Chaoser We can only check one list at a time, and while checking a small list is much more helpful, I see no reason why the voterigger needs to get involved to create one. If he messes with the votes, then we lose most of the information we would have gotten from the voting that cycle. If the voterigger is mafia, the worst he can mess us up is if he places and equal amount of mafia on each list. What we don't want is overlapping lists. Vote rigger does this most effectively. I mean, for all I care vote rigger can wait till the last second to use his power and give us the entire 48 hours to debate. We should still be good even if he uses his power. Also we can check more than one list at a time. Night 1 inventor should give a vote checking kit to a trusted townie who isn't likely to die tonight (*hint* - pick me). That gives us 2 instant list checks by day 2. To all of you whining about how we should stop focusing on list checks and start scumhunting, I disagree. Partially. We should do both. Scumhunting obviously takes priority, but we shouldn't neglect vote list checks. Although the situation currently isn't ideal, it is by no means terrible. There's plenty of time left in the day and already things are beginning to pop up. List of invisible posters: GMarshal Kurumi Radfield tnkted Anyways, got a plane to catch now. 17 hours later, apparently there are a lot worse posters than KillerSOS, and a vote on him WITH LOGIC is apparently enough for a FoS? Vacillation. Now there’s a theme you should keep in mind (for reference, vacillation means actively shifting back and forth on something.) Other things of note in this post: Foolishness Chaoser is suddenly a better vote than Kurumi. Another switch. Of course, this one I can understand, since I don’t know if he had any real logic against Kurumi anyway. Oh wait, another trend! Incog also mentions that he’s been busy, which is the reason for his inactivity. I buy this. What I don’t buy is how he managed to spew out so many reads already (KillerSOS red, GMarshal red, Kurumi scummy, Chaoser red, Foolishness green, so 5) without having the time to do this carefully. Around the point of this post, I started feeling that Incognito was definitely holding back, doing a lot of thinking out loud without thinking out loud. On the other hand, also here is the one piece of evidence I have that points toward a green Incognito: how incredibly hard he tunnels on the vote rigger-m2dt plan. So hard, in fact, that he misses the obvious way for a mafia vote rigger to screw everything up: rig it so everyone votes for the same target. On May 17 2011 16:21 Incognito wrote: Thesis: There is little mafia interference in the thread, and the mafia are playing very passively. Most of the active posters are likely to be town. I also believe that the thief is not an active role in this game. Due to the way the numbers turned out, it is likely that the mafia got enough top spots that they don’t need to steal roles. Also now that I’ve read Radfield’s posts (yes, I ignored them before), he’s likely town. But he’s still useless and so should be ignored. I repeat, Inventor should hand out a vote checking kit. This is by far better than bulletproof vests, bulletproof kits, or gunpowder detectors. Deconduo's vote actually makes sense. Stop trying to kill him. It is clear that some people are trying to push a sort of policy lynch. Please stop knee-jerk reacting and think for a moment before trying to lop off my head. Contrary to popular belief, mafia really have no reason to point fingers everywhere. Unless one of their own candidates is leading the vote and they desperately need an alternative. Really its up to the town to figure out the first lynch, so mafia could care less if town doesn't have any leads. Mafia is unlikely to have picked copycat, as thief is far superior. So really there's no reason to save Scamp if you think he's red. Which, makes sense if you read his posts. Radfield, from the start, has not been useless. His taboo role list was publicized enough that I hope every townie at least considered it, and therefore it’ll help us later on by greatly amplifying the power of the role check (heh). How could you possibly have ignored Radfield’s posts? Yet another trend: Incognito, in many of his posts, has been trying to lead the town toward role-based thinking rather than focused scumhunting. On May 18 2011 08:32 Incognito wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Everyone should be giving an opinion of me right now If you look at the thread, you'll notice that only a handful of people are popping up to accuse/defend me so far. Given how loud Ace et al are talking, I find it ridiculous that some people are popping in here without actually weighing in on this. We have people like GMarshal, who has said nothing of significance. Also Kavdragon, who has this strange fixation to defending himself without saying anything about me or pushing an alternative. Am I really that invisible? I hope not. Everyone who pretends I am invisible just wants to avoid being accountable for any sort of position. This is not something you can be unsure about. My posting this game has been so out of style that you MUST have something to say about it. The mafia want to avoid making an opinion. They want me dead, but they don't want to make it look obvious when they know I'll flip green. Some townies are naturally going to refrain from giving an opinion. After all, reading a few of my posts out there, I am pretty intimidating. But really, there's no reaso to be shy. Get out here and give your opinion. There is no reason to avoid this topic. Step 1: Identify town focus discussion - done. Its me. There are 2 discussion points that should be discussed from here on out. 1. There is now a referendum on Incognito. Everyone must weigh in. 2. Get the vote rigger to rig the votes if possible. If not, we need to do this ourselves. 1. It should be fairly obvious by now that I am town. Read over my posts again. The only real accusation against me is that I'm trying to cause chaos, therefore I'm mafia. But this post should put an end to that, because I'm basically calling a trial on myself and trying to consolidate the lynch. All this "lynch incognito because he is random voting" is bad reasoning. Mafia is a game about thinking. Choosing the easy way out by just policy lynching people who's play you don't like is sadly bad play in itself, even if Ace thinks he is awesome because of it. Also, sadly for us, policy lynching allows mafia to blend in with zealous pro-policy-lynch townies. 2. Here's why vote rigger should rig today's vote instead of just "spreading votes around a few candidates" to make checks. If we just "spread votes around", mafia have the luxury of being able to spread their votes out among the candidates and remain relatively safe from the vote checks. Secondly, the benefit of using the vote rigger is that we can separate the suspicious people from the innocents. Vote rigger doesn't randomly spread votes around. He places the more suspicious people on one list, while putting the strongest innocents on one list. If he did his job well, there is a strong possibility that the "innocents" list will show up with no mafia, thus giving us a big lead. Everyone stop freaking out about the vote rigger being anti-town. If the vote rigger is mafia obviously they're going to try to screw us up with it. Although it would be kinda difficult to do so. But if the vote rigger is town, what is there to fear? In any case, since we don't know if we have a vote rigger or not, we need to ensure that we get roughly good vote check lists in the event that we do not have a vote rigger, or he decides not to cooperate with us. So here are my proposed lines: Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies Caller Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness bumatlarge Radfield GMarshal Kurumi Ace tnkted infinitestory Dreamflower Deconduo KillerSOS Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers Chezinu Eiii OriginalName Fishball kitaman27 Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people Node Scamp GMarshal chaoser Barundar Kavdragon Key points to note: My posting this game has been so out of style Wait, I thought your inactivity was due to not having time for the game? You must certainly think your posting is out of the ordinary. I haven’t played a game with Incog before, so I don’t actually know if this is true. On the list of suspicious people is GMarshal + every other target brought up by the town at this point. I don’t know if Incognito really held all of these people in suspicion (which would be vacillation yet again), or he was trying to speak for the entire town. I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and say the latter. He posts revisions of these lists a couple more times later on. Lastly, Incog seems unusually convinced that he's the center of attention, being watched closely enough to be generally suspicious. I'm very sad that this referendum wasn't followed, actually. Oh wait. That's because, in the next hour, these two posts pop up, with Kavdragon's name in big red letters (unlike the rightful green letters). On May 18 2011 08:45 Incognito wrote: Excellent post. Maybe I should change GMarshal to Barundar for the vote list checks. Note that GMarshal occupied the spot with the most votes behind it. In other words, vacillation. On May 18 2011 09:29 Incognito wrote: For the sake of completeness, lets compare Kavdragon's play in XXXVIII and this game to XXXIV (Pokemafia). In Pokemafia, Kavdragon comes up with a long LSB accusation. Nice and all, except that he doesn't follow up. A few posts later, almost nothing is mentioned about LSB, and he goes off to vote some other random person. Compare to this game, where Kavdragon makes an accusation on Node, and then lets it get buried in the thread. Now I'm 100% certain Kavdragon will be lynched, so here's my suggestion. Keep the votes close among the 4 candidates, with Kavdragon in the lead. If any "save Kavdragon" agenda appears to be occuring, everyone has my full blessing to ignore the assigned vote lists and ensure that Kavdragon is lynched. This has been pointed out as well. The argument against Kavdragon was very shallow, but it was blown up excessively. I’m not even going to hold Kavdragon’s green flip against Incog. This argument is based on very flimsy logic, and it really makes a mountain of a molehill. On May 18 2011 12:03 Incognito wrote: My analysis is an extension of Caller's analysis. It is not all based on meta considerations. Mafia want to make it look like they're contributing without actually contributing. They want to look like they're being aggressive townies without having to be accountable for their actions. They want to push lynches without being fingered for starting the bandwagon. They want to appear to be leading lynches even though the lynches don't get anywhere. Kavdragon has done exactly that. He appears to be pro-town in attacking Node, even though he doesn't follow up on it and pretty much ignores it thereafter. Kavdragon is trying to hide the fact that he doesn't want to be responsible for any lynch. This is clearly what mafia want to do. The comparison to the XXXVIII and XXXIV games just solidify this line of reasoning. Kavdragon's behavior in past games lines up exactly with what we would expect a mafia to do. Please don't take the fact that I accused you earlier personally. Kavdragon is now my target. If you can look at this objectively I think you'll come to the same conclusion as I did too. blah ok Kurumi -> GMarshal -> chaoser -> Barundar might be good -> Kavdragon On May 19 2011 09:28 Incognito wrote: Ace and Foolishness don't deserve medic protection. Whoever is the Bullet Bill should check Eiii or Chaoser. Also reading over Radfield and Barundar's posts, I agree with the thesis that neither of the lynch candidates are mafia, and that the mafia probably wasn't heavily concerned about the lynch. This makes vote list checks that much more useless. I propose that Scamp give a gunpowder sniffing kit (that works like Bullet Bill) to someone instead of a vote list check kit. Individual checks are probably better right now than blanket checks. Besides, Mafia XII GF is the only mafia GF that can evade a BB check. Making bulletproof vests is useless. Its not like the inventor will even be able to guess who to give it to correctly. This is townie Ace who's too proud to do real analysis, or this is mafia Ace. The problem with Ace this game is that while he has been active in the thread and pushed an agenda, he hasn't taken the spotlight. He's piled everything up on me, and is content to sit back and yell the Incognito is scummy mantra. Ace isn't scumhunting. He's trying to lynch obvious townies who are just a bit out there. Ace is acting irrationally while trying to appear rational. He has a gun, so nobody's going to want to argue with him. Right? kitaman, please tell me why deconduo is confirmed anti-town whoops Foolishness doesn’t deserve medic protection suddenly, even though not so long ago he was for sure town. Also suddenly, ex post facto, Incog says neither of the lynch targets was mafia. That includes Kavdragon and Barundar. Whom he both called suspicious at some point in the day. That second-last paragraph has a good amount of irony. “not scumhunting” “trying to lynch obvious townies who are just a bit out there” “trying to appear rational” Conclusion: Incognito is literally all over the place. He calls people out for being inactive, not taking risks. He himself, on the other hand, takes many so-called “risks.” In the sense that he FoSes, votes, or otherwise voices suspicion for about twice as many people as there are on the mafia team. In one day. In this sense, Incog is the most noncommittal player in the entire game to this point. And commitment is a large risk in and of itself. Additionally, Incog assumes that his posting is being watched closely by many people, and that he is the central focus of the town on Day 1. That doesn't seem like a town attitude to me. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 19 2011 10:08 Ace wrote: why so lurkish Foolishness? Dead Townie Day 1, vote switching, shit plans - and you don't have anything to say? Please tell me you're just bored I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. So what you're trying to say, is that you will be voting me, even though mafia were uninvolved in the lynch and probably spread out their votes, which wouldn't happen unless I'm town. Congratz. I, on the other hand, think we will find out some good information tonight. I also like how you haven't given any analysis. Congratz again. When will people stop being afraid of looking stupid and actually do something? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 19 2011 12:17 Incognito wrote: So what you're trying to say, is that you will be voting me, even though mafia were uninvolved in the lynch and probably spread out their votes, which wouldn't happen unless I'm town. Congratz. I, on the other hand, think we will find out some good information tonight. I also like how you haven't given any analysis. Congratz again. When will people stop being afraid of looking stupid and actually do something? And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"? | ||
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