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Foolishness
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On March 16 2010 11:15 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:13 Foolishness wrote:On March 16 2010 11:10 Zona wrote:On March 16 2010 11:08 L wrote:
To elaborate on what BC just said:
2 DTs seem to have checked the same target, which was bussed to a second target. Whether or not this is a fluke or someone's lying intensely is yet to be found. To once again avoid misinterpreting your genius. Does this mean you and BC are cooperating? Obviously, that's why they're both advocating lynching the same people. -_- L has been saying that some of us have been misinterpreting him. I want to make sure that everything he has to say is entirely clear for the town to judge.
I believe L has been saying people have been misinterpreting him because people are saying:
"Oh, L claimed this role"
"nuh uh, L said he was this other role"
"BC said that Jspazz said that BM said that Qatol said that Showtime said L is a jack!"
When in fact, L hasn't claimed a thing in the entire thread.
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On March 16 2010 11:09 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Most of the towns opinion is reiterating the same arguments. Some I have dealt with once, and see no point repeating. Well for one thing, you haven't said anything about my proposed plan, one way or another, which was specifically meant for you. Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As for Who i am checking. I have had another player RC a role I have already found. As the chances of two of them are insanely low, it means potentially one is lying. Once that is done, findings will be released. Good to have you on the record on how you plan to use your powers. I will follow up on this the next day.
You have mentioned how you would want me to act yes. However, at this time (as i have stated before) the way I am going about it is by far the safest option. I don't know what else you want me to say. I am following a set path that I proposed from day 1 even before I claimed on how a DT should act.
I can appreciate the criticism of it, but you knew what you were getting.
I do agree with one of your previous posts however that if the mafia wanted to get rid of me, they would really be pushing for it.
On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote:
ummm, no @ BM.
i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing.
as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats.
clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up.
my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first.
Posts like that for instance.
This is a game many red have played before. Rather than catch someone actually giving away a tell as red, they instead just say "elected officials" are red and off them.
Let me put something as a general perspective. Mafia rarely runs multiple candidates. It does do this, but rarely. Malongo was one of those runners, then just died. Chances of any of the other candidates being red where although there, is not as likely in this game format. Remember, if one gets elected, you make him the gf and you go on safely. Run multiples in this format (even if both were to be elected) and one still gets flagged.
Think with your head please
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On March 16 2010 10:30 Bill Murray wrote:
That being said, he would be a very good person to protect if you're a medic..
WTF - no. The medics need to continue to protect the bodyguards. Incognito was right about the lynching tonight, and BC is claimed DT. Both of them need protecting. Not to mention Zona - who has had the best collection of posts of anyone thus far.
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On March 16 2010 09:23 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote:
Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie.
I like this part. However like you said we don't have proof that he actually claimed to three people. I want BC to reveal which three people he claimed to, and those people to confirm that he claimed AFTER BC has named his list. Revealing this information (as far as I can see) has no particular benefits to the mafia as BC is not revealing any blue roles, nor is he revealing if he has any information about these three people. He, and the three, are just simply confirming that the talked to each other, proving that his statement was true.
Here's one more I want you to respond to, BC. I want the statements you have made proved, one way or another.
Also, since the plan you proposed does not mention if you're prioritizing aiming for mafia, blues, greens, or town members in general after checking the elected officials. I want you to prioritize potential mafia members for checks.
It's true that mafia members want a DT mayor dead. But the rest of the town has no evidence that you're really a true DT. If you were a mafia mayor, then the town needs to get rid of you. As I've stated before, I think you should have until day 4 to prove yourself, so don't go accusing me of wanting to get rid of you. 3 nights are plenty for you to use your power enough to prove yourself. But you need to keep in mind that you need to get the rest of the town's trust - because we HAVE to be wary that you are in fact a mafia mayor and not a DT, as if you really were mafia, we'd be in deep danger.
Since you are a protected claimed mayor, though forming a town circle is nice, which seems to be the crux of your plan (dealing with perhaps a non-mayor DT), finding a mafia to lynch so that the rest of the town can trust you more is more important than that.
BC's plan post is spoilered here in case some readers don't want to scroll to find it:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As for mayoral elections.
I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office.
With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in.
I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia.
The Plan:
The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies.
If they are green, keep them on a seperate list.
Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle.
If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc...
Anyone who flips red dies.
For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow.
Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them.
Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything.
Conclusion:
This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG.
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I intend on doing both.
I am checking people who I have inclinations of having roles. If they flip red, i have them lynched, if I get back blue or green, they go on a seperate list and work with them from there. Catching reds is the overall game, but clearing innocents is just as important. Anycheck can do either or.
Also clearing townies works towards catching red as its one more person they arent.
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On March 16 2010 09:23 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote:
Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie.
I like this part. However like you said we don't have proof that he actually claimed to three people. I want BC to reveal which three people he claimed to, and those people to confirm that he claimed AFTER BC has named his list. Revealing this information (as far as I can see) has no particular benefits to the mafia as BC is not revealing any blue roles, nor is he revealing if he has any information about these three people. He, and the three, are just simply confirming that the talked to each other, proving that his statement was true.
You haven't responded to this part of my post that is just above yours.
On March 16 2010 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Catching reds is the overall game, but clearing innocents is just as important. Anycheck can do either or.
That's true, but you need to clear YOURSELF to the rest of the town. Finding red (rather than green/blue) is one of the easier ways to do so, at least partially. The only way we can have rock solid confirmation is for two DTs to check each other, but if you try to check people who are likely to be red (rather than trying to find blue, or some other plan), the earlier the rest of the town can trust you more.
There's also no reason to be condescending. Please focus on rational reasoning in your posts.
On March 16 2010 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Think with your head please
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Hey look, I was right about Malongo :O
And yay, I'm a miller.
Now I have been:
Townie
Miller
Mafia
In the past 3 games :D
Looking back at the past 3 games I've played, (4 if you count Caller's)
I've really realized that I haven't been contributing much. I think I should
really stop spamming on overall and actually contributing in TL Mafia XXI O.O
That was my death post
I shall now return to my grave...
P.S. It's official, flamewheel has lightning fetish
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Flamewheel, can you tell me how bus drivers will flip when they die? Its importants.
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Death rant
Good thinking Bill Murray and johnny...
Since Malongo is going to die you might as well get another kill and unvote Malongo 
It was supposed to be Malongo 10, Abenson 8 
Good job, you killed a Miller Innocent Townie
D:
Good game
Thanks to flamewheel for hosting this, and I really had fun playing.
Also gratz to hosting your first game :D
Edit:
(Since I'm dead I figure I can edit...)
Sorry about my several death posts, I'll stop talking and fully die now.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 16 2010 12:20 L wrote:
Flamewheel, can you tell me how bus drivers will flip when they die? Its importants.
Yes sir, upon death bus the alignment of the bus driver will be revealed.
+ Show Spoiler +Sí, señor, tras la muerte de la alineación del conductor del autobús será revelado.
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Bill Murray is 100% mafia after today.
Lets look at that brief period of pre lynch spam:
Bill murray spams prior to the lynch:
If malongo is red his team are going to be raging
i hope malongo is red... i felt like he was... but i'm not usually good at telling
Why would someone taunt like that? Well, its pretty easy to figure out. Bill is trying to distance himself from Malongo. But its not just that, lets look here:
Malogo is inactive, that is all. It's not a "tell" - he can do far better if he is mafia trying to actually play the game. He didn't even try to blend in, he just fell off the radar. It's blind luck now if he is red, not skill on our part. Citizen posts something decent. GJ.
BM replies:
well, citi.zen, you don't know how many people i pm'ed saying i suspected malongo....
want me to retrieve them?
Prior to Malongo even dying, BM is trying to play up his 'i wanted to kill him' status.
Why?
Lets look at the votelist:
Here's the vote slightly before the end:
Abenson Votes: 7
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Fishball
d3_crescentia
Foolishness
madnessman
johnnyspazz
XeliN
citi.zen
Malongo Votes: 6
Incognito
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Bill Murray
~OpZ~
Not so terrible, but abenson's gonna die over malongo. If anyone's going to die, Mafia would MUUUUUUUUCH rather abenson than no one.
Bill, shortly thereafter abandons the Malongo train. Hopping onto me. nemY follows suit. Bill then decides to fuck around and throw a vote on nemY. That shit don't make sense.
Cynan and Sidesprang vote Malongo and Iaaan votes against sidesprang. Ok. So Cynan and sidesprang are probably legit.
At this point, votes are tied with Abenson going to be killed.
Zona throws a vote on Abenson, pushing him to 9.
Abenson Votes: 9
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Fishball
d3_crescentia
Foolishness
madnessman
johnnyspazz
XeliN
citi.zen
tree.hugger
Zona
Malongo Votes: 8
Incognito
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Bill Murray
~OpZ~
Abenson
CynanMachae
sidesprang
Zona has just pushed abenson over the top. Is he mafia or just wanted another lynch? I dunno.
But then shit goes crazy:
Spazz, who's on Abenson, switches to Malongo, putting it to 9-8 in Malongo lynch territory. Spazz looks legit here. This is a bad outcome for mafia because they know Malongo's afk and they're trying to net a free kill.
But then bill switches back to Abenson (9-9) and johnny throws the final vote off the malongo train onto bill on bill's insistence (9-8 Abenson). Once again, these last shifts happen LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES before the deadline.
Basically, what do we have here? Its bill murray fucking with our votes again to get an innocent killed. But not only does he fuck with votes, he asks for roleclaims and tries to bolster his credibility before malongo even dies? Are you serious?
How could he know malongo would flip red? Why would he, even before the flip, start building this 'i'm green' campaign?
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On March 16 2010 12:35 flamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 12:20 L wrote:
Flamewheel, can you tell me how bus drivers will flip when they die? Its importants. Yes sir, upon death bus the alignment of the bus driver will be revealed. + Show Spoiler +Sí, señor, tras la muerte de la alineación del conductor del autobús será revelado.
Oh good.
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i think my decision to let two pretty inactive players die instead of just one wasn't that bad
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I voted the way I did because by the time I had absorbed enough of the thread and went to vote, there was only two possible outcomes: Malongo dies, or Malongo and Abenson dies. I am in favor of gaining more information rather than less, and Abenson's contribution to the game did not particularly convince me that he was an essential town member.
On March 16 2010 13:03 L wrote:
But then bill switches back to Abenson (9-9) and johnny throws the final vote off the malongo train onto bill on bill's insistence (9-8 Abenson). Once again, these last shifts happen LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES before the deadline. I'm glad you've pointed this out. Because his voting history is entirely opposite of what he states he believes. For example, among his various posts:
On March 16 2010 11:02 Bill Murray wrote:
I was very outspoken against Malongo.
If you were against Malongo, why did you vote for Abenson? Don't try to use the same explanation I'm using, as your situation is entirely different.
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On March 16 2010 13:15 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think my decision to let two pretty inactive players die instead of just one wasn't that bad I partially agree, but you can't deny that from the mafia perspective getting the hit on Abenson would have been a bonus.
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The thing is that from both perspectives it was better to get both Malongo/Abenson
Mafia get a freekill on a townie, town get a double lynch on two players that were highly suspected
I was also considering switching to Abenson if Malongo was too get lynched + modkilled too. I got screwed up thinking the day would end at 10 EST but anyway it went ok
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On March 16 2010 14:01 CynanMachae wrote:
The thing is that from both perspectives it was better to get both Malongo/Abenson
Mafia get a freekill on a townie, town get a double lynch on two players that were highly suspected
I was also considering switching to Abenson if Malongo was too get lynched + modkilled too. I got screwed up thinking the day would end at 10 EST but anyway it went ok
Not entirely. While it may have seemed fine if there was a clear push towards abenson that doesn't explain why BM would be switching votes, taunting and trying to build credibility off Malongo's redness prior to the actual lynch.
The killing of abenson might have saved us some grief later because he was the miller, but trying to game the vote system twice in a row is pretty rock solid proof the kid is mafia.
So its irrelevant if townies were okay with it; its the mafia reaction to the lynch that matters.
Once they realize malongo is going to die, its a simple matter to try and build credibility by pretending to bus him. BM voted abenson, claims he was the key in killing malongo (when it was BC who pushed for him out of the blue), and fucks with the vote and kills an innocent.
But no town member can 'call dibs' on the kill on malongo as such because of exactly what citi.zen said: the guy fucking killed himself. If anything it was BC and Incog's push that sealed the deal, which makes me think both are pretty cool dudes.
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On March 16 2010 10:50 Bill Murray wrote:
OK keep the roleclaims coming people.
I can't believe anyone takes you seriously
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On March 16 2010 14:58 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 10:50 Bill Murray wrote:
OK keep the roleclaims coming people. I can't believe anyone takes you seriously
Not even sure he takes himself seriously anymore. It's like he tried for ahile, but now reverted to the "old" bill.
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On March 16 2010 13:03 L wrote:Bill Murray is 100% mafia after today. Lets look at that brief period of pre lynch spam: Bill murray spams prior to the lynch: Show nested quote + If malongo is red his team are going to be raging
i hope malongo is red... i felt like he was... but i'm not usually good at telling Why would someone taunt like that? Well, its pretty easy to figure out. Bill is trying to distance himself from Malongo. But its not just that, lets look here: Show nested quote +Malogo is inactive, that is all. It's not a "tell" - he can do far better if he is mafia trying to actually play the game. He didn't even try to blend in, he just fell off the radar. It's blind luck now if he is red, not skill on our part. Citizen posts something decent. GJ. BM replies: Show nested quote +well, citi.zen, you don't know how many people i pm'ed saying i suspected malongo....
want me to retrieve them? Prior to Malongo even dying, BM is trying to play up his 'i wanted to kill him' status. Why? Lets look at the votelist: Here's the vote slightly before the end: Show nested quote +Abenson Votes: 7
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Fishball
d3_crescentia
Foolishness
madnessman
johnnyspazz
XeliN
citi.zen
Malongo Votes: 6
Incognito
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Bill Murray
~OpZ~ Not so terrible, but abenson's gonna die over malongo. If anyone's going to die, Mafia would MUUUUUUUUCH rather abenson than no one. Bill, shortly thereafter abandons the Malongo train. Hopping onto me. nemY follows suit. Bill then decides to fuck around and throw a vote on nemY. That shit don't make sense. Cynan and Sidesprang vote Malongo and Iaaan votes against sidesprang. Ok. So Cynan and sidesprang are probably legit. At this point, votes are tied with Abenson going to be killed. Zona throws a vote on Abenson, pushing him to 9. Show nested quote +Abenson Votes: 9
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Fishball
d3_crescentia
Foolishness
madnessman
johnnyspazz
XeliN
citi.zen
tree.hugger
Zona
Malongo Votes: 8
Incognito
BloodyC0bbler (x3)
Bill Murray
~OpZ~
Abenson
CynanMachae
sidesprang Zona has just pushed abenson over the top. Is he mafia or just wanted another lynch? I dunno. But then shit goes crazy: Spazz, who's on Abenson, switches to Malongo, putting it to 9-8 in Malongo lynch territory. Spazz looks legit here. This is a bad outcome for mafia because they know Malongo's afk and they're trying to net a free kill. But then bill switches back to Abenson (9-9) and johnny throws the final vote off the malongo train onto bill on bill's insistence (9-8 Abenson). Once again, these last shifts happen LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES before the deadline. Basically, what do we have here? Its bill murray fucking with our votes again to get an innocent killed. But not only does he fuck with votes, he asks for roleclaims and tries to bolster his credibility before malongo even dies? Are you serious? How could he know malongo would flip red? Why would he, even before the flip, start building this 'i'm green' campaign?
This is not that bad. Also, given Malongo's death, I am more inclined to think you are likely town if BM flips red. I will seriously consider voting for Bill, unless something else happens between now and then.
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